Cattle cull

[Puckoon]

Do the authorities have holding facilities for animals in an event like this? What could the authorities actually have done operationally. Not just conceptually. How does that look? Where do they take them?

[gallsman]

Do the authorities have holding facilities for animals in an event like this? What could the authorities actually have done operationally. Not just conceptually. How does that look? Where do they take them?

Why ask sensible questions like that when you could just scream and shout about what they should do?!

[RadioGAAGAA]

DAERA did f**k up though. Given all the lay staff they have it really shouldn't have been an issue to round up the livestock and slaughter them out of sight of the public. Getting a marksman to pick them off in a field was the lazy solution and they are paying the price for it now.

That is the only big mistake made here really...

and whoever did signed off on it probably does need to be shown the door - or demoted out of decision making as they've proven themselves too stupid to be in charge of anything more than running a tap.


If they have no appreciation of what the optics of shooting 50 cattle in open public would look like, they really aren't competent enough for their responsibilities.

There was a risk assessment made and it was decided it wasn't safe to round up these cattle and that the most humane way to cull the cattle was in their own environment. The vets followed expert advice. Watch the video on YouTube of the agriculture Committee questioning the vets involved and this is all explained.

Then whoever did the risk assessment was some useless clown at a desk that didn't have a clue what they were doing and should be relieved of role.

If the admin team in a department that owns approx 20,000 acres of agricultural ground and has hundreds if not thousands of cattle in their herds cannot find a few folk to round up 50 animals then there is some serious information silos and disconnects.


The optics of shooting 50 cattle was clearly and obviously never going to be palatable. Who compiled the risk assessment?

Watching the youtube now. Seen nothing substantial so far that isn't just buzzword bullshit.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Do the authorities have holding facilities for animals in an event like this? What could the authorities actually have done operationally. Not just conceptually. How does that look? Where do they take them?

When DAERA have to cull a herd that has TB what do you think happens?

[RadioGAAGAA]

Well yes, that too. Anything but slaughter the poor  animals

Its not slaughtering the animals. That was likely to happen anyway.
Its how and where it was done.

Slaughtering is typically done in such a way (end of a chute with blocked gates) that no other animals witness it to minimise stress on the other animals.

[reddgnhand]

DAERA did f**k up though. Given all the lay staff they have it really shouldn't have been an issue to round up the livestock and slaughter them out of sight of the public. Getting a marksman to pick them off in a field was the lazy solution and they are paying the price for it now.

That is the only big mistake made here really...

and whoever did signed off on it probably does need to be shown the door - or demoted out of decision making as they've proven themselves too stupid to be in charge of anything more than running a tap.


If they have no appreciation of what the optics of shooting 50 cattle in open public would look like, they really aren't competent enough for their responsibilities.

There was a risk assessment made and it was decided it wasn't safe to round up these cattle and that the most humane way to cull the cattle was in their own environment. The vets followed expert advice. Watch the video on YouTube of the agriculture Committee questioning the vets involved and this is all explained.

Then whoever did the risk assessment was some useless clown at a desk that didn't have a clue what they were doing and should be relieved of role.

If the admin team in a department that owns approx 20,000 acres of agricultural ground and has hundreds if not thousands of cattle in their herds cannot find a few folk to round up 50 animals then there is some serious information silos and disconnects.


The optics of shooting 50 cattle was clearly and obviously never going to be palatable. Who compiled the risk assessment?

Watching the youtube now. Seen nothing substantial so far that isn't just buzzword bullshit.

And if deemed unsafe for staff and cattle to round up the cattle just do it anyway?

[reddgnhand]

Well yes, that too. Anything but slaughter the poor  animals

Its not slaughtering the animals. That was likely to happen anyway.
Its how and where it was done.

Slaughtering is typically done in such a way (end of a chute with blocked gates) that no other animals witness it to minimise stress on the other animals.

Rounding cattle up and putting them on a lorry causes distress to these animals.There was no fencing on the farm and on bad terrain.If you are watching the video the farmer requested the opportunity to round up 4 of the cattle during the cull. Along with the protesters they couldn't manage it.

[Orior]

Interesting thread. The farmer who initially mistreated the animals seems to have escaped the rath of the adorable Carla Loveheart. Did the cull happen in her jurisdiction?

[RadioGAAGAA]

In the

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Another farmer approached to buy the animals.

Immediately it stopped and they tried to load them onto a lorry. Obviously at that point the animals were running mad due to the other dead members of the herd around them.

To say that proved it wouldn't have worked is completely disingenuous. At that point it was always doomed to failure.


Whereas, rocking up with an appropriate number of people and plenty of handling gates then it could have been managed.

[RadioGAAGAA]

And if deemed unsafe for staff and cattle to round up the cattle just do it anyway?

Are you in any way involved with cattle at all?

The right equipment and sufficient people by and by large eliminates almost any risk.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Rounding cattle up and putting them on a lorry causes distress to these animals.There was no fencing on the farm and on bad terrain.If you are watching the video the farmer requested the opportunity to round up 4 of the cattle during the cull. Along with the protesters they couldn't manage it.

During the cull.

FFS get a grip.

[Puckoon]

Well yes, that too. Anything but slaughter the poor  animals

Its not slaughtering the animals. That was likely to happen anyway.
Its how and where it was done.

Slaughtering is typically done in such a way (end of a chute with blocked gates) that no other animals witness it to minimise stress on the other animals.

I don't know. I am asking. I get that the cull was poorly carried out - but is there a mechanism to just take these animals and plonk them elsewhere? I doubt it - but was curious.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Interesting thread. The farmer who initially mistreated the animals seems to have escaped the rath of the adorable Carla Loveheart. Did the cull happen in her jurisdiction?

He should be in jail.

[reddgnhand]

And if deemed unsafe for staff and cattle to round up the cattle just do it anyway?

Are you in any way involved with cattle at all?

The right equipment and sufficient people by and by large eliminates almost any risk.

And if no equipment what?

[RadioGAAGAA]

Well yes, that too. Anything but slaughter the poor  animals

Its not slaughtering the animals. That was likely to happen anyway.
Its how and where it was done.

Slaughtering is typically done in such a way (end of a chute with blocked gates) that no other animals witness it to minimise stress on the other animals.

I don't know. I am asking. I get that the cull was poorly carried out - but is there a mechanism to just take these animals and plonk them elsewhere? I doubt it - but was curious.

Yes there is. That's exactly what happens in a TB cull. DAERA take them away.