Losers, chokers underdogs non performers and never won

[Baile Brigín 2]

Down in the TinPot cup

...and not winning it...

[general_lee]

Did Loughgiel senior hurlers not lose 7 finals in the recent past?

Somebody can correct me.

I wouldn't say Loughgiel are chokers. They're the only Ulster club to win the AI. Twice. Maybe Cushendall or Dunloy could be considered chokers. They've both  more Ulsters titles, and Dunloy have 5 AI final appearances but no winners' medals.

[square_ball]

Jean Van de Velde.

[marty34]

Did Loughgiel senior hurlers not lose 7 finals in the recent past?

Somebody can correct me.

I wouldn't say Loughgiel are chokers. They're the only Ulster club to win the AI. Twice. Maybe Cushendall or Dunloy could be considered chokers. They've both  more Ulsters titles, and Dunloy have 5 AI final appearances but no winners' medals.

I didn't label them chokers. Anyway, it'd be different teams over them years.


I'd be praising teams, like Mayo, whocould as easy gave up but kept going. Loughgiel and teams like them, the same. 

[mouview]

"Salthill–Knocknacarra defeated St Gall's by 0–7 to 0–6 in the final at Croke Park on 17 March 2006 to win the competition. It was the club's first title"

From wiki

Lord above look at that scoreline. The dark ages of Gaelic Football.

Probably another of those Paddy's Days like the depths of winter.

It sure was; I remember flurries of snow blowing into the Cusack that afternoon. Portumna / Salthill did a Galway double that day.

[Milltown Row2]

"Salthill–Knocknacarra defeated St Gall's by 0–7 to 0–6 in the final at Croke Park on 17 March 2006 to win the competition. It was the club's first title"

From wiki

Lord above look at that scoreline. The dark ages of Gaelic Football.

It was the coldest day I've ever spent at a game, the wind was bad, even for Croke standards..

[seafoid]

When did Dunloy lose all the all Ireland finals? 5 is the same as Clann na nGael.

[seafoid]

The All Blacks won the initial Rugby World Cup in 1995 and lost every time until 2011.
The key was a new manager who changed the way they did things.

It was Steve Hansen

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/fieldays/69261946/steve-hansen-talks-rugby-at-fieldays8
Planning for "inconvenient facts"  - such as low dairy payouts or unexpected All Black injuries - was vital, Hansen said.

One example was the 2007 World Cup campaign and they'd since learned to consider what could go wrong and have a solution ready.

"We just go to the cupboard and draw that out, and bang," he said.



In 2019 after NZ hammered Ireland Steve Hansen went into the dressing room and told the players that they might have had experience of losing matches at the RWC but that didn't mean they had necessarily learnt anything in the process

[Armamike]

Given their size and pick, Cork must be the biggest underachievers in football.  Maybe the focus is more on hurling.

[Captain Scarlet]

Kildare have not won since 1928 and then there was only 3 Leinsters thrown in the last 75 years, but we are not chokers or barely underachivers as we can't even seem to get to that stage!

Mayo were never chokers in my book, in fact they were probably too up for the finals. They feckin needed to calm a bit.

Different sport and maybe I am being harsh but from my memory Contepomi had some abosulte awful days with Leinster.

[seafoid]

Given their size and pick, Cork must be the biggest underachievers in football.  Maybe the focus is more on hurling.

If Cork were in a different province they would win more.
Kerry are relentless and driven to win. They have a psychological hold over Cork. They beat them in the 2007 and 2009 finals.

[ranch]

The All Blacks won the initial Rugby World Cup in 1995 and lost every time until 2011.
The key was a new manager who changed the way they did things.

It was Steve Hansen

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/fieldays/69261946/steve-hansen-talks-rugby-at-fieldays8
Planning for "inconvenient facts"  - such as low dairy payouts or unexpected All Black injuries - was vital, Hansen said.

One example was the 2007 World Cup campaign and they'd since learned to consider what could go wrong and have a solution ready.

"We just go to the cupboard and draw that out, and bang," he said.



In 2019 after NZ hammered Ireland Steve Hansen went into the dressing room and told the players that they might have had experience of losing matches at the RWC but that didn't mean they had necessarily learnt anything in the process

South Africa won the 1995 RWC. I think NZ won in 1987, 2011 and 2015.

[seafoid]

The All Blacks won the initial Rugby World Cup in 1995 and lost every time until 2011.
The key was a new manager who changed the way they did things.

It was Steve Hansen

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/fieldays/69261946/steve-hansen-talks-rugby-at-fieldays8
Planning for "inconvenient facts"  - such as low dairy payouts or unexpected All Black injuries - was vital, Hansen said.

One example was the 2007 World Cup campaign and they'd since learned to consider what could go wrong and have a solution ready.

"We just go to the cupboard and draw that out, and bang," he said.



In 2019 after NZ hammered Ireland Steve Hansen went into the dressing room and told the players that they might have had experience of losing matches at the RWC but that didn't mean they had necessarily learnt anything in the process

South Africa won the 1995 RWC. I think NZ won in 1987, 2011 and 2015.

The All Blacks won the initial Rugby World Cup in 1995 and lost every time until 2011.
The key was a new manager who changed the way they did things.

It was Steve Hansen

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/fieldays/69261946/steve-hansen-talks-rugby-at-fieldays8
Planning for "inconvenient facts"  - such as low dairy payouts or unexpected All Black injuries - was vital, Hansen said.

One example was the 2007 World Cup campaign and they'd since learned to consider what could go wrong and have a solution ready.

"We just go to the cupboard and draw that out, and bang," he said.



In 2019 after NZ hammered Ireland Steve Hansen went into the dressing room and told the players that they might have had experience of losing matches at the RWC but that didn't mean they had necessarily learnt anything in the process

South Africa won the 1995 RWC. I think NZ won in 1987, 2011 and 2015.

That's correct. They won it in 1987.
Steve Hansen was manager in 2011 and 2015

[seafoid]

The Rugby World Cup quarter final problem is 40 years old

Both Wales and Scotland have won quarter finals. Scotland lucked out playing Samoa.


1987  Beaten by Australia
1991 lost to Campese try lansdowne
1995 outclassed
1999 Argentina in Lens
2003 a small team
2007 a flop. Out . Pipped. Talented players
O'Gara and O'Driscoll.
2011 wrong mindset,  bad defence vs Wales after beating Australia, excess gym work
2015 injuries vs Argentina
2019 Hammered by All Blacks
2023 Beaten by All Blacks

[shark]

Given their size and pick, Cork must be the biggest underachievers in football.  Maybe the focus is more on hurling.

If Cork were in a different province they would win more.
Kerry are relentless and driven to win. They have a psychological hold over Cork. They beat them in the 2007 and 2009 finals.

They were the only team to beat Cork in championship in the 6 years from 2005-2010.