Derry Club Football & Hurling original

[doh827]

You reckon the management team will be confirmed at the championship draw?

[Ryan O]

I would doubt it, I'd be surprised if there's an announcement at all.

Faughanvale, Kilrea and Limavady still still in a dogfight at the bottom of division 1. None of them picking up points at the weekend.

Faughanvale have Dungiven , Glen and Loup

Kilrea have Bellaghy, Newbridge, Steelstown.

Limavady have Steelstown, Lavey, Newbridge.

Screen (not totally safe but almost) have Magherafelt, Loup, Bellaghy.


Who do we fancy for the bottom 2 places?

[Brendan]

Vale look a dejected team, a few key men away to Oz before the championship even starts so need put out of their misery.

Limavady got the points on the board early in the season and that seems to have done the job for them.

Kilrea into the play off and wouldn't fancy them against any of the Division 2 contenders who will be coming in with momentum and fancying themselves for the Intermediate Championship, assuming Banagher get the automatic spot

[Wildweasel74]

Its a pity there not better mobility/conditioning in that Tom Deery, (Limavady) hes a huge man.

[Ryan O]

Vale look a dejected team, a few key men away to Oz before the championship even starts so need put out of their misery.

Limavady got the points on the board early in the season and that seems to have done the job for them.

Kilrea into the play off and wouldn't fancy them against any of the Division 2 contenders who will be coming in with momentum and fancying themselves for the Intermediate Championship, assuming Banagher get the automatic spot

Limavady only have 5 points the same as Kilrea definitely no job done for them yet.

Seems to Desertmartin, Coleraine and Claudy for 2nd spot.
 
It should help division 2 teams coming off the back of a decent season alright.

[Brendan]

Vale look a dejected team, a few key men away to Oz before the championship even starts so need put out of their misery.

Limavady got the points on the board early in the season and that seems to have done the job for them.

Kilrea into the play off and wouldn't fancy them against any of the Division 2 contenders who will be coming in with momentum and fancying themselves for the Intermediate Championship, assuming Banagher get the automatic spot

Limavady only have 5 points the same as Kilrea definitely no job done for them yet.

Seems to Desertmartin, Coleraine and Claudy for 2nd spot.
 
It should help division 2 teams coming off the back of a decent season alright.

Just had a look back through the results and assumed Limavady had Kilrea on H2H but they drew, they have a worse points difference to so why are they above them in the table.

[HonDerry]

I would doubt it, I'd be surprised if there's an announcement at all.

Faughanvale, Kilrea and Limavady still still in a dogfight at the bottom of division 1. None of them picking up points at the weekend.

Faughanvale have Dungiven , Glen and Loup

Kilrea have Bellaghy, Newbridge, Steelstown.

Limavady have Steelstown, Lavey, Newbridge.

Screen (not totally safe but almost) have Magherafelt, Loup, Bellaghy.


Who do we fancy for the bottom 2 places?

Too tight to call. It's hard to see any of the bottom four picking up a win in those games.

Personally, I'd prefer to see the North Derry teams stay in Division 1. I think it's better for the whole county if more North Derry clubs can progress and become more competitive. Faughanvale and Limavady both seem to be doing good work around their clubs, and staying up would give them a much-needed boost.

Screen really shouldn't be going down given the wealth of numbers they have. It seems like they just need to get their coaching structures into better shape.

From the little I've heard about Kilrea, they may have a few discipline and commitment issues to sort out. They pushed Newbridge hard a couple of years ago, so there is clearly something there.

It will be like a mini championship for those teams over their last few games

[marty34]

I would doubt it, I'd be surprised if there's an announcement at all.

Faughanvale, Kilrea and Limavady still still in a dogfight at the bottom of division 1. None of them picking up points at the weekend.

Faughanvale have Dungiven , Glen and Loup

Kilrea have Bellaghy, Newbridge, Steelstown.

Limavady have Steelstown, Lavey, Newbridge.

Screen (not totally safe but almost) have Magherafelt, Loup, Bellaghy.


Who do we fancy for the bottom 2 places?

Too tight to call. It's hard to see any of the bottom four picking up a win in those games.

Personally, I'd prefer to see the North Derry teams stay in Division 1. I think it's better for the whole county if more North Derry clubs can progress and become more competitive. Faughanvale and Limavady both seem to be doing good work around their clubs, and staying up would give them a much-needed boost.

Screen really shouldn't be going down given the wealth of numbers they have. It seems like they just need to get their coaching structures into better shape.

From the little I've heard about Kilrea, they may have a few discipline and commitment issues to sort out. They pushed Newbridge hard a couple of years ago, so there is clearly something there.

It will be like a mini championship for those teams over their last few games

What is the issues with Screen? Surely they must put a 10 year development plan in place?


For the amount of players they have, they are nowhere near where they should be at. Are they,dare I say it, too big a club?


I remember hearing they won U14A, B and C football in one year a few years ago. Surely there's a starting point?

[Ryan O]

For a few years now what I've noticed is Screen hammering everyone bar maybe Magherafelt at all u14 grades. At U16 level they are still going strong but maybe not quite by as much.

I'm not sure I ever remember them winning a minor championship.

I think having massive pick of players at the oldest possible age of the underage groups generally carries your past majority of teams due to physical size.
By the time you get to minor level that has levelled out and size is less of a factor.

Everyone loves a 10 year plan, if someone ever comes up with an 8 year plan they'll clean up.

[outsiderlookingin]

How many teams won at youth level have brought it through to senior level? Ballinderry, Glen?

I rememeber ballinderry doing the clean sweep a few years.. 12s,14s,16s.minors senior and reserves, Has any other team done this- throw in Ulster minor and All Ireland grade 1 feile?

[toby47]

For a few years now what I've noticed is Screen hammering everyone bar maybe Magherafelt at all u14 grades. At U16 level they are still going strong but maybe not quite by as much.

I'm not sure I ever remember them winning a minor championship.

I think having massive pick of players at the oldest possible age of the underage groups generally carries your past majority of teams due to physical size.
By the time you get to minor level that has levelled out and size is less of a factor.

Everyone loves a 10 year plan, if someone ever comes up with an 8 year plan they'll clean up.

They won a minor championship in 2017, all those players should be in and around their prime now, but instead they are fighting relegation year on year. They would have had a few decent teams coming behind that Minor winning team. Something fundamentally not right.

[toby47]

How many teams won at youth level have brought it through to senior level? Ballinderry, Glen?

I rememeber ballinderry doing the clean sweep a few years.. 12s,14s,16s.minors senior and reserves, Has any other team done this- throw in Ulster minor and All Ireland grade 1 feile?

Glen would have had a generation of players that have won everything from u14 to All Ireland Senior Club.  Many of them with 2-3 ulster minors (they won 4 in a row)
3 Senior Championships.
The likes of Emmett Bradley, Glass, McFaul etc have also won 2 Ulster Chamionships with Derry & they also played the start of their career in Intermediate

In 2019 Magherafelt won Senior, Reserve, u16, u14 - Just lost out on minors.
 
Going back a bit further you could have Ballinderry men that have won everything from u14 right through also.

Totally different but you'd have Coleraine men with -
Division 1 (2017), 2 (2009) and 3 (2007) League medals
Intermediate Championship and 2 x senior championships (they were beat in a junior final I think)
They would also have Ulster intermediate medals and Kilmacud 7's medals.
Many of them currently back playing intermediate.

[Wildweasel74]

The Loup the best example of bringing through underage yrs ago. Strong from underage from 1987 to mid 90's Were in Junior fball 1yrs 1989? Promoted outta intermediate 1994 with a very young team. Stayed the course since, with a couple of Ulster titles, though their underage fell off compared them days.

[marty34]

Current Newbridge are probably a better example than anyother club re: bringing players through.


Especially from a lower graded underage structure in Derry.

[Ryan O]

Current Newbridge are probably a better example than anyother club re: bringing players through.


Especially from a lower graded underage structure in Derry.

Agree with that, Newbridge manage so much better with a smaller pot of players. Maybe this allows much more coaching time for individuals and much more emphasis put on holding on to everyone.

They rarely compete in the A sections but thats purely down to physical development with the numbers they have.

At u14 level the bigger clubs are able to field a full team of 3rd years and maybe 4 subs.
Our club for example may have 3 or 4 3rd years another 5 or 6 2nd years and remainder made up of 1st years. It's impossible to compete.

Thats why I would love to see it going to 2 touch at U14 grade, eliminate the big lad who runs over everyone. They generally aren't the lads who break into a senior team.