Derry Club Football & Hurling original

[Stickittotheman]

Louth vs Mayo in the semi final meaning had we beaten Meath we would have had Mayo in Castlebar, Cork and then Louth to reach an All Ireland final. What a missed chance.

[Interstellar]

Louth vs Mayo in the semi final meaning had we beaten Meath we would have had Mayo in Castlebar, Cork and then Louth to reach an All Ireland final. What a missed chance.

No chance we beat any of those. Given the success of Devlin, the "failure by Tally" abd the expulsion of Harte, is the current Derry squad unmanageable at present?

[marty34]

I'd have stuck with Tally to be honest.

Was the manager merry-go-round player driven?

[Hoof Hearted]

I'd have stuck with Tally to be honest.

Was the manager merry-go-round player driven?

Exactly

Gallagher/Meenagh/Harte/Tally/Meenagh

There's a common denominator here ( not in this manager list )

[Wildweasel74]

Worryingly look where Devlin ended up, but it was he pushing the Goalkeeper the whole way up the field in 2024 cost us so bad

[oakleafgael]

I'd have stuck with Tally to be honest.

Was the manager merry-go-round player driven?

Exactly

Gallagher/Meenagh/Harte/Tally/Meenagh

There's a common denominator here ( not in this manager list )

Let me guess, is it a defender who cost Derry an all Ireland underage title?

[Ryan O]

I'd have stuck with Tally to be honest.

Was the manager merry-go-round player driven?

Exactly

Gallagher/Meenagh/Harte/Tally/Meenagh

There's a common denominator here ( not in this manager list )

Let me guess, is it a defender who cost Derry an all Ireland underage title?

I don't think its one individual, theres a group of "senior" players who are dictating.

Some of these players haven't delivered and are fast becoming a starting 15 headache.

Meenagh is a good manager, bar Barrett and Boyle his backroom could do with a shake. We need coaches who have proven to have delivered at the top level. Not someone who was player and makes loads of noise.

[tbrick18]

I'd have stuck with Tally to be honest.

Was the manager merry-go-round player driven?

Exactly

Gallagher/Meenagh/Harte/Tally/Meenagh

There's a common denominator here ( not in this manager list )

Let me guess, is it a defender who cost Derry an all Ireland underage title?

I don't think its one individual, theres a group of "senior" players who are dictating.

Some of these players haven't delivered and are fast becoming a starting 15 headache.

Meenagh is a good manager, bar Barrett and Boyle his backroom could do with a shake. We need coaches who have proven to have delivered at the top level. Not someone who was player and makes loads of noise.

Name one county/club team where there is not a group of senior players who strongly influence things?
I do agree though that some of our more established players have not delivered this year - I wouldn't make excuses for them, but I would say it takes a lot of elements to be right for the results to follow, injuries, fitness, management, consistent panel, commitment, referees etc. It's not as straightforward as you are suggesting.

I also agree that the backroom team needs refreshed. I think we need a backroom team that brings new thinking to Meenagh, rather than players who have played under him who will reinforce his same ideas.

[Ryan O]

I'd have stuck with Tally to be honest.

Was the manager merry-go-round player driven?

Exactly

Gallagher/Meenagh/Harte/Tally/Meenagh

There's a common denominator here ( not in this manager list )

Let me guess, is it a defender who cost Derry an all Ireland underage title?

I don't think its one individual, theres a group of "senior" players who are dictating.

Some of these players haven't delivered and are fast becoming a starting 15 headache.

Meenagh is a good manager, bar Barrett and Boyle his backroom could do with a shake. We need coaches who have proven to have delivered at the top level. Not someone who was player and makes loads of noise.

Name one county/club team where there is not a group of senior players who strongly influence things?
I do agree though that some of our more established players have not delivered this year - I wouldn't make excuses for them, but I would say it takes a lot of elements to be right for the results to follow, injuries, fitness, management, consistent panel, commitment, referees etc. It's not as straightforward as you are suggesting.

I also agree that the backroom team needs refreshed. I think we need a backroom team that brings new thinking to Meenagh, rather than players who have played under him who will reinforce his same ideas.

I know every county is the same but I suppose I its the calibre of person who is delivering the message.
You can't be talking like you are driving the process forward and then deliver sub standard performances or a more regular basis.

Our leadership group as it stands would/should only consist of Rogers, Conor Mc Closkey and Conor Doc. I'm not saying they were great every game but consistently they turn up for Derry and are looked to for leadership, the remainder need to sort themselves.

Our failings are absolutely nothing to do with ability, the talent and age profile is as good as anyone. The ruthless, arrogant aggression is what we've lost.
Derry are a better team than Louth, Mayo, Meath, Cork, Monaghan, Westmeath.

[JB3456]

What are the chances of a shake up in the backroom team

Could deets be tempeted?

[marty34]

I'd have stuck with Tally to be honest.

Was the manager merry-go-round player driven?

Exactly

Gallagher/Meenagh/Harte/Tally/Meenagh

There's a common denominator here ( not in this manager list )

Let me guess, is it a defender who cost Derry an all Ireland underage title?

I don't think its one individual, theres a group of "senior" players who are dictating.

Some of these players haven't delivered and are fast becoming a starting 15 headache.

Meenagh is a good manager, bar Barrett and Boyle his backroom could do with a shake. We need coaches who have proven to have delivered at the top level. Not someone who was player and makes loads of noise.

Name one county/club team where there is not a group of senior players who strongly influence things?
I do agree though that some of our more established players have not delivered this year - I wouldn't make excuses for them, but I would say it takes a lot of elements to be right for the results to follow, injuries, fitness, management, consistent panel, commitment, referees etc. It's not as straightforward as you are suggesting.

I also agree that the backroom team needs refreshed. I think we need a backroom team that brings new thinking to Meenagh, rather than players who have played under him who will reinforce his same ideas.

I know every county is the same but I suppose I its the calibre of person who is delivering the message.
You can't be talking like you are driving the process forward and then deliver sub standard performances or a more regular basis.

Our leadership group as it stands would/should only consist of Rogers, Conor Mc Closkey and Conor Doc. I'm not saying they were great every game but consistently they turn up for Derry and are looked to for leadership, the remainder need to sort themselves.

Our failings are absolutely nothing to do with ability, the talent and age profile is as good as anyone. The ruthless, arrogant aggression is what we've lost.
Derry are a better team than Louth, Mayo, Meath, Cork, Monaghan, Westmeath.

No, they're' not. Silly statement.

Derry couldn't even get out of Div. 2 this year. Beat by Meath and Louth when victories were needed.


I think the big thing is attitude. The players are entitled....and this statement about steeps of supporter entitlement also.

[Estimator]

Derry are a better team than Louth, Mayo, Meath, Cork, Monaghan, Westmeath.

I really don't think we are.
One of those teams beat us twice this season
Two of those teams beat us once this season.
Three of those teams will be playing in a higher division than us next year.

Overall record Played 5: Won 1 Lost 4
No games against Mayo or Westmeath.

I'd suggest that if you picked a team of the season with those 6 counties along with Derry, you'd be hard pressed to include any more than a couple of Derry men.

[Franko]

Watching these last few games in the AI shows just how far Derry are off it at the moment and how many counties are ahead of them. It'll be a long road back till we're competing for silverware again. A  team rebuild and major change of tactics required.

We are where we've always been. The odd day in the sunshine masks a lifetime of mediocrity.

And that's no criticism of anyone who pulls on a Derry shirt.

100%.  There's not a single player in Derry could do what McCurry did at the weekend - and I include the great and the good here.

And he's a sub.

[Franko]

I'd have stuck with Tally to be honest.

Was the manager merry-go-round player driven?

Exactly

Gallagher/Meenagh/Harte/Tally/Meenagh

There's a common denominator here ( not in this manager list )

Let me guess, is it a defender who cost Derry an all Ireland underage title?

I don't think its one individual, theres a group of "senior" players who are dictating.

Some of these players haven't delivered and are fast becoming a starting 15 headache.

Meenagh is a good manager, bar Barrett and Boyle his backroom could do with a shake. We need coaches who have proven to have delivered at the top level. Not someone who was player and makes loads of noise.

Name one county/club team where there is not a group of senior players who strongly influence things?
I do agree though that some of our more established players have not delivered this year - I wouldn't make excuses for them, but I would say it takes a lot of elements to be right for the results to follow, injuries, fitness, management, consistent panel, commitment, referees etc. It's not as straightforward as you are suggesting.

I also agree that the backroom team needs refreshed. I think we need a backroom team that brings new thinking to Meenagh, rather than players who have played under him who will reinforce his same ideas.

I know every county is the same but I suppose I its the calibre of person who is delivering the message.
You can't be talking like you are driving the process forward and then deliver sub standard performances or a more regular basis.

Our leadership group as it stands would/should only consist of Rogers, Conor Mc Closkey and Conor Doc. I'm not saying they were great every game but consistently they turn up for Derry and are looked to for leadership, the remainder need to sort themselves.

Our failings are absolutely nothing to do with ability, the talent and age profile is as good as anyone. The ruthless, arrogant aggression is what we've lost.
Derry are a better team than Louth, Mayo, Meath, Cork, Monaghan, Westmeath.

Lol, what planet does this assessment come from?

[doh827]

What are the chances of a shake up in the backroom team

Could deets be tempeted?

I'm a bit worried that there wont be any changes as when meenagh got appointed all he said was he had coaches in that he trusts but also if he cant see that we need some additions to the coaching staff he'll not be the manager for long.