Hurling 2026

Started by seafoid, January 04, 2026, 04:15:24 PM

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johnnycool

hurling at the highest level is definitely a possession game and there's aspects of that are great to watch and other aspects you mention less so.

For me would solve the crowd mullocking over the ball, just allow a lad to go in and pull on the ball, and it'll be gone like the snow come April.

I would also like to see the current rules that we do have enforced, i.e. no spare arm tackling and no overcarrying of the ball.

One leads to the other and vice versa IMO.

Allow proper tackling to return, i.e flicking the sliotar off the hurl, blocking, hooking etc.

Back in the day as a defender if a forward was coming at you you'd time your tackle for when they'd be on their fourth step and having to play the ball and go in for the block or flick.

Now 5,6,7 steps being allowed isn't uncommon so defenders throw out the arms to deny momentum and then swarm in with arms etc failing.
Forwards being dragged back then feel the need to take more steps especially if on an advantage and referees allow it.

A bit of a shoulder charge would have been let go back in the day, nowadays the coaches deem this too high risk of receiving a red and prefer to coach the arm wrap I call it.

I feel for referees as if they do actually apply the rules that exist they'd be criticised from all and sundry, just like Barry Kelly was for having the temerity for giving fouls against the great Kilkenny team when they overstepped the mark which was quite often.

In saying that I by and large do enjoy todays hurling, there's some fine hurlers about who would be great in any era, the likes of Lynch, Guillane, etc from Limerick, the McGraths of Tipp, Kelly and O'Donnell for Clare, Shane Barrett etc in Cork.

It's not all doom and gloom, but we need to move away from the big, barrel chested hurlers more akin to backrow forwards in rugby to allow artistry to shine more.

I would also change the sliotar ever so slightly, deaden it a bit where it's not flying over the bar from 90 yards all the time now.



johnnycool

Quote from: imtommygunn on June 02, 2026, 09:46:01 PMLyng away now. Seemed like a good solid bloke - hard time for him to come in. It will be interesting to see what is next for kk.

Always came across as a decent bloke and the best of luck to him in whatever comes next.

If anyone in Kilkenny thinks a change of manager is the only issue then they're very much deluded.

There'll be much soul searching within Kilkenny over the next few months, they're a proud beast when it comes to hurling and you can be sure they'll rip up every know policy or procedure internally until they find something that works for them.

No AI senior medals since 2015 and counting will be killing them.


NAG1

Quote from: johnnycool on June 03, 2026, 09:13:01 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 02, 2026, 09:46:01 PMLyng away now. Seemed like a good solid bloke - hard time for him to come in. It will be interesting to see what is next for kk.

Always came across as a decent bloke and the best of luck to him in whatever comes next.

If anyone in Kilkenny thinks a change of manager is the only issue then they're very much deluded.

There'll be much soul searching within Kilkenny over the next few months, they're a proud beast when it comes to hurling and you can be sure they'll rip up every know policy or procedure internally until they find something that works for them.

No AI senior medals since 2015 and counting will be killing them.



Yeah it will be, they have been the slowest adapters to the new style of game, so I am not sure if they are to be scolded or admired for this.

Rule changes are required for sure, but even if they would enforce (or allow them to be) the current rules then that would be a start. Games are refereed completely differently depending on the occasion and the teams involved. This has been the case as far as I remember back.

Banning the back-pass to the keeper to me is a no brainer forcing teams to play out the way.

johnnycool

Quote from: NAG1 on June 03, 2026, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 03, 2026, 09:13:01 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 02, 2026, 09:46:01 PMLyng away now. Seemed like a good solid bloke - hard time for him to come in. It will be interesting to see what is next for kk.

Always came across as a decent bloke and the best of luck to him in whatever comes next.

If anyone in Kilkenny thinks a change of manager is the only issue then they're very much deluded.

There'll be much soul searching within Kilkenny over the next few months, they're a proud beast when it comes to hurling and you can be sure they'll rip up every know policy or procedure internally until they find something that works for them.

No AI senior medals since 2015 and counting will be killing them.



Yeah it will be, they have been the slowest adapters to the new style of game, so I am not sure if they are to be scolded or admired for this.

Rule changes are required for sure, but even if they would enforce (or allow them to be) the current rules then that would be a start. Games are refereed completely differently depending on the occasion and the teams involved. This has been the case as far as I remember back.

Banning the back-pass to the keeper to me is a no brainer forcing teams to play out the way.

From a puck out only or also in general play as well?

NAG1

Quote from: johnnycool on June 03, 2026, 11:57:46 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on June 03, 2026, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 03, 2026, 09:13:01 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 02, 2026, 09:46:01 PMLyng away now. Seemed like a good solid bloke - hard time for him to come in. It will be interesting to see what is next for kk.

Always came across as a decent bloke and the best of luck to him in whatever comes next.

If anyone in Kilkenny thinks a change of manager is the only issue then they're very much deluded.

There'll be much soul searching within Kilkenny over the next few months, they're a proud beast when it comes to hurling and you can be sure they'll rip up every know policy or procedure internally until they find something that works for them.

No AI senior medals since 2015 and counting will be killing them.



Yeah it will be, they have been the slowest adapters to the new style of game, so I am not sure if they are to be scolded or admired for this.

Rule changes are required for sure, but even if they would enforce (or allow them to be) the current rules then that would be a start. Games are refereed completely differently depending on the occasion and the teams involved. This has been the case as far as I remember back.

Banning the back-pass to the keeper to me is a no brainer forcing teams to play out the way.

From a puck out only or also in general play as well?

Both, the puck out one isn't even as crucial, but open play it is killing the game when a corner back can turn back knowing he can go across to the keeper on the other side. It's become to easy for the defense to get out.

johnnycool


Milltown Row2

Quote from: NAG1 on June 03, 2026, 12:03:40 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 03, 2026, 11:57:46 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on June 03, 2026, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 03, 2026, 09:13:01 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 02, 2026, 09:46:01 PMLyng away now. Seemed like a good solid bloke - hard time for him to come in. It will be interesting to see what is next for kk.

Always came across as a decent bloke and the best of luck to him in whatever comes next.

If anyone in Kilkenny thinks a change of manager is the only issue then they're very much deluded.

There'll be much soul searching within Kilkenny over the next few months, they're a proud beast when it comes to hurling and you can be sure they'll rip up every know policy or procedure internally until they find something that works for them.

No AI senior medals since 2015 and counting will be killing them.



Yeah it will be, they have been the slowest adapters to the new style of game, so I am not sure if they are to be scolded or admired for this.

Rule changes are required for sure, but even if they would enforce (or allow them to be) the current rules then that would be a start. Games are refereed completely differently depending on the occasion and the teams involved. This has been the case as far as I remember back.

Banning the back-pass to the keeper to me is a no brainer forcing teams to play out the way.

From a puck out only or also in general play as well?

Both, the puck out one isn't even as crucial, but open play it is killing the game when a corner back can turn back knowing he can go across to the keeper on the other side. It's become to easy for the defense to get out.

I personally see nothing wrong with the keepers involvement in the game all this will do is create long puck outs break ball and mauls around the middle with players looking possession..

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

NAG1

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2026, 03:24:50 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on June 03, 2026, 12:03:40 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 03, 2026, 11:57:46 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on June 03, 2026, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 03, 2026, 09:13:01 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 02, 2026, 09:46:01 PMLyng away now. Seemed like a good solid bloke - hard time for him to come in. It will be interesting to see what is next for kk.

Always came across as a decent bloke and the best of luck to him in whatever comes next.

If anyone in Kilkenny thinks a change of manager is the only issue then they're very much deluded.

There'll be much soul searching within Kilkenny over the next few months, they're a proud beast when it comes to hurling and you can be sure they'll rip up every know policy or procedure internally until they find something that works for them.

No AI senior medals since 2015 and counting will be killing them.



Yeah it will be, they have been the slowest adapters to the new style of game, so I am not sure if they are to be scolded or admired for this.

Rule changes are required for sure, but even if they would enforce (or allow them to be) the current rules then that would be a start. Games are refereed completely differently depending on the occasion and the teams involved. This has been the case as far as I remember back.

Banning the back-pass to the keeper to me is a no brainer forcing teams to play out the way.

From a puck out only or also in general play as well?

Both, the puck out one isn't even as crucial, but open play it is killing the game when a corner back can turn back knowing he can go across to the keeper on the other side. It's become to easy for the defense to get out.

I personally see nothing wrong with the keepers involvement in the game all this will do is create long puck outs break ball and mauls around the middle with players looking possession..



Doesn't rule out a short puck out, just means will be more difficult to get away with it.

Better teams will still work the ball out as opposed to lumping it but stops that easy out by going to the keeper

marty34

A couple of rules I would change is:

1. Like camogie, a person who is fouled inside their own 65m line can hit the free from their hand (but can't score). Just to speed the game up in open play.


2. When a referee throws a ball in ruck, he can throw it over lads heads and into space (without advantaging one team). A ruck usually comes of a ruck. Keep the play moving.


3. Granted, this is hard for referees but the quick puck out, without waiting on whistle, speeds up the game.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: NAG1 on June 03, 2026, 12:03:40 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 03, 2026, 11:57:46 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on June 03, 2026, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 03, 2026, 09:13:01 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 02, 2026, 09:46:01 PMLyng away now. Seemed like a good solid bloke - hard time for him to come in. It will be interesting to see what is next for kk.

Always came across as a decent bloke and the best of luck to him in whatever comes next.

If anyone in Kilkenny thinks a change of manager is the only issue then they're very much deluded.

There'll be much soul searching within Kilkenny over the next few months, they're a proud beast when it comes to hurling and you can be sure they'll rip up every know policy or procedure internally until they find something that works for them.

No AI senior medals since 2015 and counting will be killing them.



Yeah it will be, they have been the slowest adapters to the new style of game, so I am not sure if they are to be scolded or admired for this.

Rule changes are required for sure, but even if they would enforce (or allow them to be) the current rules then that would be a start. Games are refereed completely differently depending on the occasion and the teams involved. This has been the case as far as I remember back.

Banning the back-pass to the keeper to me is a no brainer forcing teams to play out the way.

From a puck out only or also in general play as well?

Both, the puck out one isn't even as crucial, but open play it is killing the game when a corner back can turn back knowing he can go across to the keeper on the other side. It's become to easy for the defense to get out.
Give over with the tinkering. If a team want to keep possession and go back to go forward,that is a perfectly valid tactic.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: marty34 on June 03, 2026, 05:58:17 PMA couple of rules I would change is:

1. Like camogie, a person who is fouled inside their own 65m line can hit the free from their hand (but can't score). Just to speed the game up in open play.


2. When a referee throws a ball in ruck, he can throw it over lads heads and into space (without advantaging one team). A ruck usually comes of a ruck. Keep the play moving.


3. Granted, this is hard for referees but the quick puck out, without waiting on whistle, speeds up the game.

On the puck out, personally for me, as long as the players are outside the 21 they can puck it out as quickly as they want.. I like the hit from the hand also from those defensive frees too, but its gotta go like the tap and go, straight away.

The only way to stop the ruck occurring (when throwing in the ball), is give a free against the team that infringes first on the 13 meter rule, that will automatically stop the congregation around that scenario   
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

johnnycool

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 04, 2026, 09:03:55 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 03, 2026, 05:58:17 PMA couple of rules I would change is:

1. Like camogie, a person who is fouled inside their own 65m line can hit the free from their hand (but can't score). Just to speed the game up in open play.


2. When a referee throws a ball in ruck, he can throw it over lads heads and into space (without advantaging one team). A ruck usually comes of a ruck. Keep the play moving.


3. Granted, this is hard for referees but the quick puck out, without waiting on whistle, speeds up the game.

On the puck out, personally for me, as long as the players are outside the 21 they can puck it out as quickly as they want.. I like the hit from the hand also from those defensive frees too, but its gotta go like the tap and go, straight away.

The only way to stop the ruck occurring (when throwing in the ball), is give a free against the team that infringes first on the 13 meter rule, that will automatically stop the congregation around that scenario    

The problem is the players never move out from the 13 metres in the first place when the ball is being thrown in.

The camogie rule is inside the 45 metre line and has to be hit within 4 seconds by the player fouled I believe. I like that rule TBH.


Milltown Row2

Quote from: johnnycool on June 04, 2026, 09:08:39 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 04, 2026, 09:03:55 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 03, 2026, 05:58:17 PMA couple of rules I would change is:

1. Like camogie, a person who is fouled inside their own 65m line can hit the free from their hand (but can't score). Just to speed the game up in open play.


2. When a referee throws a ball in ruck, he can throw it over lads heads and into space (without advantaging one team). A ruck usually comes of a ruck. Keep the play moving.


3. Granted, this is hard for referees but the quick puck out, without waiting on whistle, speeds up the game.

On the puck out, personally for me, as long as the players are outside the 21 they can puck it out as quickly as they want.. I like the hit from the hand also from those defensive frees too, but its gotta go like the tap and go, straight away.

The only way to stop the ruck occurring (when throwing in the ball), is give a free against the team that infringes first on the 13 meter rule, that will automatically stop the congregation around that scenario    

The problem is the players never move out from the 13 metres in the first place when the ball is being thrown in.

The camogie rule is inside the 45 metre line and has to be hit within 4 seconds by the player fouled I believe. I like that rule TBH.



But they will move, if we look at the dissent rule that was brought in, it nearly in a heartbeat stopped the mouthing and slowing down the taking of frees.. It will take a few games to settle but will work in
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

marty34

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 04, 2026, 09:03:55 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 03, 2026, 05:58:17 PMA couple of rules I would change is:

1. Like camogie, a person who is fouled inside their own 65m line can hit the free from their hand (but can't score). Just to speed the game up in open play.


2. When a referee throws a ball in ruck, he can throw it over lads heads and into space (without advantaging one team). A ruck usually comes of a ruck. Keep the play moving.


3. Granted, this is hard for referees but the quick puck out, without waiting on whistle, speeds up the game.

On the puck out, personally for me, as long as the players are outside the 21 they can puck it out as quickly as they want.. I like the hit from the hand also from those defensive frees too, but its gotta go like the tap and go, straight away.

The only way to stop the ruck occurring (when throwing in the ball), is give a free against the team that infringes first on the 13 meter rule, that will automatically stop the congregation around that scenario   

Would never work in a league game never mind in a red hot Munster championship match.

marty34

Quote from: johnnycool on June 04, 2026, 09:08:39 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 04, 2026, 09:03:55 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 03, 2026, 05:58:17 PMA couple of rules I would change is:

1. Like camogie, a person who is fouled inside their own 65m line can hit the free from their hand (but can't score). Just to speed the game up in open play.


2. When a referee throws a ball in ruck, he can throw it over lads heads and into space (without advantaging one team). A ruck usually comes of a ruck. Keep the play moving.


3. Granted, this is hard for referees but the quick puck out, without waiting on whistle, speeds up the game.

On the puck out, personally for me, as long as the players are outside the 21 they can puck it out as quickly as they want.. I like the hit from the hand also from those defensive frees too, but its gotta go like the tap and go, straight away.

The only way to stop the ruck occurring (when throwing in the ball), is give a free against the team that infringes first on the 13 meter rule, that will automatically stop the congregation around that scenario    

The problem is the players never move out from the 13 metres in the first place when the ball is being thrown in.

The camogie rule is inside the 45 metre line and has to be hit within 4 seconds by the player fouled I believe. I like that rule TBH.



Obviously for hurling it'd be inside 65m, as opposed to 45m for camogie, and like an indirect free. Would speed the game up no end. Referee might have to improve the fitness level though.  ;D


But it's a simple effective rule change that would improve the game in my opinion.


And me mentioning camogie, are most girls now wearing shorts now?