Tyrone Club Football and Hurling

[Bring back club football]

I am not saying that clubs play without their u20s.
I am saying that these players should be released back to their clubs once every fortnight to play a league game.
Surely the county u20s could accommodate that

They probably wouldn't. Not saying it isn't a good idea because it is.

There is no chance of the u20s releasing players back to the clubs, they are told they aren't allowed to play any club football until the county u20 season is over.

Similarly the players on the county u17 squad are not allowed to play in a number of club minor games either until the county u17 season is over.

[In hiding]

I am not saying that clubs play without their u20s.
I am saying that these players should be released back to their clubs once every fortnight to play a league game.
Surely the county u20s could accommodate that

They probably wouldn't. Not saying it isn't a good idea because it is.

There is no chance of the u20s releasing players back to the clubs, they are told they aren't allowed to play any club football until the county u20 season is over.

Similarly the players on the county u17 squad are not allowed to play in a number of club minor games either until the county u17 season is over.

I'm obviously not explaining myself properly. The management shouldn't have the authority to stop players from lining out for their clubs an odd time during the county u20 campaign

[GlenMan]

I am not saying that clubs play without their u20s.
I am saying that these players should be released back to their clubs once every fortnight to play a league game.
Surely the county u20s could accommodate that

They probably wouldn't. Not saying it isn't a good idea because it is.

There is no chance of the u20s releasing players back to the clubs, they are told they aren't allowed to play any club football until the county u20 season is over.

Similarly the players on the county u17 squad are not allowed to play in a number of club minor games either until the county u17 season is over.

I'm obviously not explaining myself properly. The management shouldn't have the authority to stop players from lining out for their clubs an odd time during the county u20 campaign

But then it'll just become a 'suggestion' from management.

"You can play for your club, but if you do you won't be starting the next Tyrone game" etc.

That's an even worse situation as it piles all the pressure onto the players themselves.

[thewobbler]

I am not saying that clubs play without their u20s.
I am saying that these players should be released back to their clubs once every fortnight to play a league game.
Surely the county u20s could accommodate that

They probably wouldn't. Not saying it isn't a good idea because it is.

There is no chance of the u20s releasing players back to the clubs, they are told they aren't allowed to play any club football until the county u20 season is over.

Similarly the players on the county u17 squad are not allowed to play in a number of club minor games either until the county u17 season is over.

I'm obviously not explaining myself properly. The management shouldn't have the authority to stop players from lining out for their clubs an odd time during the county u20 campaign

They do have the authority. This was the very basis of the split season. Shortened county season in return for guaranteed windows where county activity would progress uninterrupted.

And from what I'm reading on this thread, it wouldn't matter if they released the squad / minimal game time players - clubs would still call it unfair and down tools.

Sooner or later you folks will realise that your club's current and future ability to compete is not dependent on pulling apart a small cluster of current 19 year olds who will bugger off to America at the drop of a hat, and then bugger off to Australia for years at a time.

Then y'all can play football again.

[In hiding]

I am not saying that clubs play without their u20s.
I am saying that these players should be released back to their clubs once every fortnight to play a league game.
Surely the county u20s could accommodate that

They probably wouldn't. Not saying it isn't a good idea because it is.

There is no chance of the u20s releasing players back to the clubs, they are told they aren't allowed to play any club football until the county u20 season is over.

Similarly the players on the county u17 squad are not allowed to play in a number of club minor games either until the county u17 season is over.

I'm obviously not explaining myself properly. The management shouldn't have the authority to stop players from lining out for their clubs an odd time during the county u20 campaign

They do have the authority. This was the very basis of the split season. Shortened county season in return for guaranteed windows where county activity would progress uninterrupted.

And from what I'm reading on this thread, it wouldn't matter if they released the squad / minimal game time players - clubs would still call it unfair and down tools.

Sooner or later you folks will realise that your club's current and future ability to compete is not dependent on pulling apart a small cluster of current 19 year olds who will bugger off to America at the drop of a hat, and then bugger off to Australia for years at a time.

Then y'all can play football again.

What exactly are you talking about.
Are you saying there is no point trying because people go traveling?

[thewobbler]

No not at all.

What I'm trying to suggest is that if your club doesn't have the squad depth to manage playing senior league fixtures without a single crop of 19 year olds, at the same time when nobody else in the county currently has their significant 19 year olds, then what you're actually doing is looking for excuses.

And on the off chance this means you happen to drop from senior to intermediate for a season, then so be it. You weren't winning senior anyhow. And if the lads you're waiting so steadfastly upon genuinely are the difference, you'll be back to senior next year, and with each of those lads  a year older, better and more conditioned for senior football.

Do this for a handful of seasons and you'll realise that most 19 year olds - even the more talented ones - disappear for seasons at a time, or indeed completely from senior football. Meanwhile the real hardcore club players return season after season. Them's the ones who need to be playing football.

Just play sport. Stop making excuses. Play the game.

[In hiding]

No not at all.

What I'm trying to suggest is that if your club doesn't have the squad depth to manage playing senior league fixtures without a single crop of 19 year olds, at the same time when nobody else in the county currently has their significant 19 year olds, then what you're actually doing is looking for excuses.

And on the off chance this means you happen to drop from senior to intermediate for a season, then so be it. You weren't winning senior anyhow. And if the lads you're waiting so steadfastly upon genuinely are the difference, you'll be back to senior next year, and with each of those lads  a year older, better and more conditioned for senior football.

Do this for a handful of seasons and you'll realise that most 19 year olds - even the more talented ones - disappear for seasons at a time, or indeed completely from senior football. Meanwhile the real hardcore club players return season after season. Them's the ones who need to be playing football.

Just play sport. Stop making excuses. Play the game.

OK, but,
My club doesn't have anyone on the under 20 panel.
It looks like our club season will last between June and September

[Jam Givan]

One solution that could be tried is to not have any Tyrone clubs enter the Ulster Club competitions.

Before anyone starts I know they are brilliant in their own right but only 3 clubs make it into them and everything has  to be so rushed to finish the championships before they start.

So instead you could use that time more wisely to give all clubs a chance to breath during a league lasting from June to end of September. Have no league play offs of any kind and then into the championship with room to breath in it also.

The year culminating with the 3 championship finals at end of November (same weather as the brilliant Ulster Club games).

That way all players from every club would get a proper season of football and county players would be finished up and get a break before going back to county with none of them playing into January in club competitions.

Controversial i know but something has to give with the squeeze at one end from county at all grades and Ulster club at the other end

[Aaron Boone]

Hearing there are decent crowds at the Reserve League fixtures as the fans have a desire to go see a game of football.

[RedHand88]

Reserve game had a senior sized crowd last night.
If the senior county team go on a run (unlikely) it will be another handling.

[square_ball]

One solution that could be tried is to not have any Tyrone clubs enter the Ulster Club competitions.

Before anyone starts I know they are brilliant in their own right but only 3 clubs make it into them and everything has  to be so rushed to finish the championships before they start.

So instead you could use that time more wisely to give all clubs a chance to breath during a league lasting from June to end of September. Have no league play offs of any kind and then into the championship with room to breath in it also.

The year culminating with the 3 championship finals at end of November (same weather as the brilliant Ulster Club games).

That way all players from every club would get a proper season of football and county players would be finished up and get a break before going back to county with none of them playing into January in club competitions.

Controversial i know but something has to give with the squeeze at one end from county at all grades and Ulster club at the other end

If we can't get our club season wrapped up by the end of October we may just give up the ghost altogether.

[tiempo]

Is the malaise in Tyrone indicative of the disconnect between the elite player/prospect, the administration trying to facilitate them, and the grassroots who have been completely shafted?

As already pointed out when the U20 final is wrapped a rake of those lads will head to the US for the summer and the leagues will commence, its pure tail wagging the dog stuff. I'm not suggesting the U20 players are responsible, I think its not only a sign of disconnect but also weak leadership at CB level

[Jerome]

Do the current club minors play their league without their County U17 players?

[The Bearded One]

Do the current club minors play their league without their County U17 players?

County minor games on a Saturday and club minor games on a Sunday usually. As a rule our lads on county u17 team played a part the next day for the club.

Somehow there seems to be more flexibility with u17s.

I don't advocate anyone playing 2 games in 24hrs but have to give some credit to minor management for allowing lads to make that choice based on how they feel.

[square_ball]

Is it just Cookstown in Division 2 that has lads on the u20 team/first few subs?