The UK Labour Party

[Franko]

I could be wrong, but around the time Corbyn was being ousted by Starmer et al for being 'anti-semitic' yourself and a few others were widely accepting of this definition?

You'd absolutely be wrong. If you actually go back and look and what we exchanged, along with the gaaboard's star in-no-way an anti-Semite seafoid was a discussion of differing interpretations of the IHRA's definition. You may recall his repeated inability to actually quote the definition itself, as opposed to simply Google whatever quackery he was able to find on challenged on some of his nonsense.

But sure seeing as you reckon you've found your gotcha moment, why don't you go ahead and link my post where I say I accept the definition?

You said "It says nothing about criticising Israel being anti-Semitic".

Given that most people's problem with the IHRA definition is EXACTLY this, could you outline which other bit of the IHRA definition you have a problem with, that causes you not to accept it?

[OakLeaf]

Josh Simons has stood down so that Burnham can contest the bye election. Interesting times.

[gallsman]

You said "It says nothing about criticising Israel being anti-Semitic".

Given that most people's problem with the IHRA definition is EXACTLY this, could you outline which other bit of the IHRA definition you have a problem with, that causes you not to accept it?

That's because most people, such as your good self, choose to, at best, misread or misunderstand what the definition actually says. You argued that Israel is a Jewish community institution ffs. A state is not a community institution. You have f**king idiots on here tying themselves in knots to protest that burning out Jewish ambulances in Golders Green isn't antisemitic FFS. Know what a local Jewish ambulance service is? A Jewish community institution.

And not that I owe you any explanation of anything whatsoever, the particular pieces that I have issues with are the suggestion that denying Jews have the right to self determination is in and of itself antisemitic, or that one evidences this by labelling Israel as a racist state, along with the one about not comparing contemporary Israeli state policy to the Nazism.

As I suspect you well know, the definition expressly states that criticisms of Israel that are thrown at any other country are not antisemitic.

[seafoid]

You said "It says nothing about criticising Israel being anti-Semitic".

Given that most people's problem with the IHRA definition is EXACTLY this, could you outline which other bit of the IHRA definition you have a problem with, that causes you not to accept it?

That's because most people, such as your good self, choose to, at best, misread or misunderstand what the definition actually says. You argued that Israel is a Jewish community institution ffs. A state is not a community institution. You have f**king idiots on here tying themselves in knots to protest that burning out Jewish ambulances in Golders Green isn't antisemitic FFS. Know what a local Jewish ambulance service is? A Jewish community institution.

And not that I owe you any explanation of anything whatsoever, the particular pieces that I have issues with are the suggestion that denying Jews have the right to self determination is in and of itself antisemitic, or that one evidences this by labelling Israel as a racist state, along with the one about not comparing contemporary Israeli state policy to the Nazism.

As I suspect you well know, the definition expressly states that criticisms of Israel that are thrown at any other country are not antisemitic.

The definition is deliberately vague so they can claim anything is antisemitic.
The thing about not criticising Israel if it's in line with other country is also vague. But no other country in the OECD is the same as Israel now. Israel is neo fascist . See what they did in Gaza. The whole thing is a big mess. A lot of americans and Europeans have turned against Israel. The Eurovision gives a fake view of how Israel is perceived.

[seafoid]

Sorry to interrupt, but as this is the UK Labour Party thread, I thought I might mention that Streeting has just gone.

Now....back to the studio, for an extended Jewish / Zionist discussion.

The UK Labour party is Zionist. The ministers are funded by Zionist plutocrats.
Same goes for Tories, "Reform" and Lib Dems. 
IT's a textbook case of corruption . Starmer was pro genocide. Most Brits were not.

[gallsman]

Genuinely have no idea if your account has been taken over by a bot.

[Armagh18]

Anyway....

I see Burnham is going to run in upcoming by-election.

Any better than Starmer if he were to go for leader?

[bennydorano]

Josh Simons has stood down so that Burnham can contest the bye election. Interesting times.

Indeed. Labour have been so disappointing. Burnham would be decent as PM. He'll defeat Streeting quite easily I'd imagine - if it all comes to pass.

[Deerstalker]

Josh Simons has stood down so that Burnham can contest the bye election. Interesting times.

Indeed. Labour have been so disappointing. Burnham would be decent as PM. He'll defeat Streeting quite easily I'd imagine - if it all comes to pass.

What will be interesting to see is what comes next if he does become PM, will it be unadulterated borrowing ?

Good luck if you are fixing a mortgage rate in the next year 

[OakLeaf]

Anyway....

I see Burnham is going to run in upcoming by-election.

Any better than Starmer if he were to go for leader?

Yes, in the sense that he's got real Labour values, as opposed to Starmer who's effectively Tory lite. No, in that I don't think anybody will make a real go of it until the UK rejoin the EU. It's a poisoned chalice unfortunately.

[bennydorano]

If Starmer is deposed that will be the 6th or 7th PM in 10 years, a Banana Republic would be embarrassed with that stat. How can any long term forward planning be done? The UK is in a doom cycle. If and when Reform get their day, they will be much worse. It'll probably take until then for the masses to really understand how much of a colossal failure Brexit has been.

[seafoid]

Genuinely have no idea if your account has been taken over by a bot.

What links the US, Australia and the UK? Rupert Mudoch and thisv

 Iran war rubio walz
https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/2031648824498991295

Labour and Gaza
https://x.com/jarbuthnot1966/status/2041449902467654029/

AustraliaLobby
https://x.com/gidonsaar/status/2030598577169236434

[seafoid]

If Starmer is deposed that will be the 6th or 7th PM in 10 years, a Banana Republic would be embarrassed with that stat. How can any long term forward planning be done? The UK is in a doom cycle. If and when Reform get their day, they will be much worse. It'll probably take until then for the masses to really understand how much of a colossal failure Brexit has been.

The economy is banjaxed. 0.8% growth this year. Some official called 0.6% growth in the first quarter"robust"

[Armagh18]

If Starmer is deposed that will be the 6th or 7th PM in 10 years, a Banana Republic would be embarrassed with that stat. How can any long term forward planning be done? The UK is in a doom cycle. If and when Reform get their day, they will be much worse. It'll probably take until then for the masses to really understand how much of a colossal failure Brexit has been.

The economy is banjaxed. 0.8% growth this year. Some official called 0.6% growth in the first quarter"robust"

We'll not be overly critical on the economy given the effect the orange pedos distraction war has and will have to be fair

[bennydorano]

If Starmer is deposed that will be the 6th or 7th PM in 10 years, a Banana Republic would be embarrassed with that stat. How can any long term forward planning be done? The UK is in a doom cycle. If and when Reform get their day, they will be much worse. It'll probably take until then for the masses to really understand how much of a colossal failure Brexit has been.

The economy is banjaxed. 0.8% growth this year. Some official called 0.6% growth in the first quarter"robust"

That is pretty decent growth for the UK, and its genuine growth. There were quite a few very positive economic factors in recent months- all likely to be derailed by the Iran war unfortunately.