Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[Armagh18]

Yeah its much worse this year. Obviously didn't matter in the end but yesterday the Kerry man took a shot a  second after the hooter and ballooned it, imagine that had been a big game with a point in it

[Milltown Row2]

Yeah its much worse this year. Obviously didn't matter in the end but yesterday the Kerry man took a shot a  second after the hooter and ballooned it, imagine that had been a big game with a point in it

That last shot 'after the hooter' actually went over the bar, as the umpire was about to reach for the flag. (killed my overs in both games ffs    )

Teams holding on to the ball has been happening long before the new rules, I know my club were pretty good at doing that to kill the game late on or possibly draw a team in and hit them on the break. so it was happening.

Taking the timing away from the ref was supposed to be the main reason, if bringing it back to the ref to decide there will be complaints about the added on extra time that no one knows where the ref got from.

Teams behind need to challenge the team with the ball, when its in 'their' half they have a man advantage, so pressing that team should be easier?

[Armagh18]

Yeah its much worse this year. Obviously didn't matter in the end but yesterday the Kerry man took a shot a  second after the hooter and ballooned it, imagine that had been a big game with a point in it

That last shot 'after the hooter' actually went over the bar, as the umpire was about to reach for the flag. (killed my overs in both games ffs    )

Teams holding on to the ball has been happening long before the new rules, I know my club were pretty good at doing that to kill the game late on or possibly draw a team in and hit them on the break. so it was happening.

Taking the timing away from the ref was supposed to be the main reason, if bringing it back to the ref to decide there will be complaints about the added on extra time that no one knows where the ref got from.

Teams behind need to challenge the team with the ball, when its in 'their' half they have a man advantage, so pressing that team should be easier?

Maybe have the rule that ball needs to go either wide or a score after the hooter, the time wasting is horrible to watch.

[square_ball]

Kerry get a  free, and Murphy wrestles the  ball out of  Kerry players hands thinking it was a Donegal Free

Genuine misunderstanding maybe , but still , is that not  similar to not handing the ball back... and therefore should be  moved up 50 yards?

That was a David Gough f**k up. He initially signalled a Kerry free, then changed to a Donegal free at which point Murphy wrestled for the ball and then Gough realised his mistake and gave it back to Kerry.

[AustinPowers]

Whelan and Keegan  complaining about the hooter and constant handpassing around the arc last night, with no  emphasis on kicking the ball in or trying for goals.

With clips of Clifford 60 yards from goal. Finding an inch of space to score a  2 pointer. Is this what the game has  come to? The best forward in Ireland 60  yards from goal? Ffs

Glad to hear someone  talk about it. It was nearly deemed  blasphemous  to dare  question these new rules

[AustinPowers]

Kerry get a  free, and Murphy wrestles the  ball out of  Kerry players hands thinking it was a Donegal Free

Genuine misunderstanding maybe , but still , is that not  similar to not handing the ball back... and therefore should be  moved up 50 yards?

That was a David Gough f**k up. He initially signalled a Kerry free, then changed to a Donegal free at which point Murphy wrestled for the ball and then Gough realised his mistake and gave it back to Kerry.

I thought  maybe that's what happened 

you could see teams do that to stop quick frees. Wrestle the ball , oh I thought it was our free... here's the ball back. But no quick free , and  we have a few more seconds  to get men back in position

It would seem unfair to move up 50 yards for a  "misunderstanding", so I'd imagine refs wouldn't 

[trileacman]

Yeah its much worse this year. Obviously didn't matter in the end but yesterday the Kerry man took a shot a  second after the hooter and ballooned it, imagine that had been a big game with a point in it

That last shot 'after the hooter' actually went over the bar, as the umpire was about to reach for the flag. (killed my overs in both games ffs    )

Teams holding on to the ball has been happening long before the new rules, I know my club were pretty good at doing that to kill the game late on or possibly draw a team in and hit them on the break. so it was happening.

Taking the timing away from the ref was supposed to be the main reason, if bringing it back to the ref to decide there will be complaints about the added on extra time that no one knows where the ref got from.

Teams behind need to challenge the team with the ball, when its in 'their' half they have a man advantage, so pressing that team should be easier?

Yeah but wasn't the point of the rule changes to combat the keep-ball aspect of the game? I mean when you, Rossfan, thruthsayer and the rest of the media click were fawning over these new rules new rules was it not because they'd done away with the old basketball tactics?  (Handpassing it around to infinity).

"Teams behind need to challenge the team with the ball". That was also true under the old rules. If it was so easy to do, teams would be doing it.

[Milltown Row2]

Yeah its much worse this year. Obviously didn't matter in the end but yesterday the Kerry man took a shot a  second after the hooter and ballooned it, imagine that had been a big game with a point in it

That last shot 'after the hooter' actually went over the bar, as the umpire was about to reach for the flag. (killed my overs in both games ffs    )

Teams holding on to the ball has been happening long before the new rules, I know my club were pretty good at doing that to kill the game late on or possibly draw a team in and hit them on the break. so it was happening.

Taking the timing away from the ref was supposed to be the main reason, if bringing it back to the ref to decide there will be complaints about the added on extra time that no one knows where the ref got from.

Teams behind need to challenge the team with the ball, when its in 'their' half they have a man advantage, so pressing that team should be easier?

Yeah but wasn't the point of the rule changes to combat the keep-ball aspect of the game? I mean when you, Rossfan, thruthsayer and the rest of the media click were fawning over these new rules new rules was it not because they'd done away with the old basketball tactics?  (Handpassing it around to infinity).

"Teams behind need to challenge the team with the ball". That was also true under the old rules. If it was so easy to do, teams would be doing it.

If an opposing team don't engage with tackling a player then why would a team leading by 10 or more give up the ball? are you saying they should always lump the ball in and give it a 50/50 opportunity? Not sure if you have managed a team before but doing that would be madness.

As regards to me being for the rules, please look back, you'll see multiple posts where I said I was against them.

I have got used to them now and but as I said in my post, teams holding on to the ball will and has happened in the past continue to happen, so either you ban handpassing or bring in a shot clock, the shot clock for the local game would be bonkers to manage I'd say at the start

[trileacman]

The problem is that by importing basketball rules into the game (hooters, 2 pointers, half-court restrictions) we bake in basketball tactics as well.

The hooter change was a completely senseless addition to the game, made all the more ridiculous by the fact that the hurling crowd weren't forced to adopt it, highlighting to everyone but the most moronic that added time as it is, isn't really a big issue. A few gobshites who make their coin by whinging (Colm Parkinson, Spillane and Brolly) might have been going on about it but in absence of a better solution it was as good as we were going to get. The hooter in either form is clearly a retrograde step, encouraging leading teams to play boring contest-avoiding, keep-ball. Had the FRC worried about the actual problem (a lack of contests for possession in the game) and not stupid shit like the hooter it would have suited them better.

Likewise for all the vaunted praise of the rule changes only 2 can really be considered a success. The tap and go because it speeds the game up and the kick out restrictions because it increases the number of contestable possessions. To me the restart rules is neither good or bad. I've no gra for the rest of the rule changes which I think don't address any the problems with the game and in most instances create new issues. The proper solution that the FRC should have made as few rules changes as possible (thereby leading to as few unforeseen consequences as possible) and only introducing rule changes that encourage risk-taking, instead of introducing highly specific rules that outlaw certain menial aspects of the game.

[trileacman]

Yeah its much worse this year. Obviously didn't matter in the end but yesterday the Kerry man took a shot a  second after the hooter and ballooned it, imagine that had been a big game with a point in it

That last shot 'after the hooter' actually went over the bar, as the umpire was about to reach for the flag. (killed my overs in both games ffs    )

Teams holding on to the ball has been happening long before the new rules, I know my club were pretty good at doing that to kill the game late on or possibly draw a team in and hit them on the break. so it was happening.

Taking the timing away from the ref was supposed to be the main reason, if bringing it back to the ref to decide there will be complaints about the added on extra time that no one knows where the ref got from.

Teams behind need to challenge the team with the ball, when its in 'their' half they have a man advantage, so pressing that team should be easier?

Yeah but wasn't the point of the rule changes to combat the keep-ball aspect of the game? I mean when you, Rossfan, thruthsayer and the rest of the media click were fawning over these new rules new rules was it not because they'd done away with the old basketball tactics?  (Handpassing it around to infinity).

"Teams behind need to challenge the team with the ball". That was also true under the old rules. If it was so easy to do, teams would be doing it.

If an opposing team don't engage with tackling a player then why would a team leading by 10 or more give up the ball? are you saying they should always lump the ball in and give it a 50/50 opportunity? Not sure if you have managed a team before but doing that would be madness.

As regards to me being for the rules, please look back, you'll see multiple posts where I said I was against them.

I have got used to them now and but as I said in my post, teams holding on to the ball will and has happened in the past continue to happen, so either you ban handpassing or bring in a shot clock, the shot clock for the local game would be bonkers to manage I'd say at the start

Sorry I thought you were mostly in favour of the changes. You've hit the nail on the head though regarding the proper rule changes that should have been made. There should have been restrictions on teams hand-passing inside their own 55m line. That way teams would be rewarded for pushing up the pitch to challenge defenders as it would be much easier to turn over defenders who can't just simply throw the ball to a team mate once challenged. Players pushing up into their traditional 3 H-forwards, 3 F-forwards formation would mean there's more space behind them for the attacking team to kick into. Hence one simple, easily observed rule change has several effects, defending teams get rewarded for pushing out, attacking teams get punished for holding the ball in the middle of the park and the balance between posssession and territory is tipped away from possession.

[AustinPowers]

The problem is that by importing basketball rules into the game (hooters, 2 pointers, half-court restrictions) we bake in basketball tactics as well.

The hooter change was a completely senseless addition to the game, made all the more ridiculous by the fact that the hurling crowd weren't forced to adopt it, highlighting to everyone but the most moronic that added time as it is, isn't really a big issue. A few gobshites who make their coin by whinging (Colm Parkinson, Spillane and Brolly) might have been going on about it but in absence of a better solution it was as good as we were going to get. The hooter in either form is clearly a retrograde step, encouraging leading teams to play boring contest-avoiding, keep-ball. Had the FRC worried about the actual problem (a lack of contests for possession in the game) and not stupid shit like the hooter it would have suited them better.

Likewise for all the vaunted praise of the rule changes only 2 can really be considered a success. The tap and go because it speeds the game up and the kick out restrictions because it increases the number of contestable possessions. To me the restart rules is neither good or bad. I've no gra for the rest of the rule changes which I think don't address any the problems with the game and in most instances create new issues. The proper solution that the FRC should have made as few rules changes as possible (thereby leading to as few unforeseen consequences as possible) and only introducing rule changes that encourage risk-taking, instead of introducing highly specific rules that outlaw certain menial aspects of the game.

Exactly.

For me, only the tap and go  has been a success. 

The handing the  ball back, while I  think it's  cut out  some cynicism and time wasting, has  seen it abused and has created   more forms of cynicism.

[trileacman]

The problem is that by importing basketball rules into the game (hooters, 2 pointers, half-court restrictions) we bake in basketball tactics as well.

The hooter change was a completely senseless addition to the game, made all the more ridiculous by the fact that the hurling crowd weren't forced to adopt it, highlighting to everyone but the most moronic that added time as it is, isn't really a big issue. A few gobshites who make their coin by whinging (Colm Parkinson, Spillane and Brolly) might have been going on about it but in absence of a better solution it was as good as we were going to get. The hooter in either form is clearly a retrograde step, encouraging leading teams to play boring contest-avoiding, keep-ball. Had the FRC worried about the actual problem (a lack of contests for possession in the game) and not stupid shit like the hooter it would have suited them better.

Likewise for all the vaunted praise of the rule changes only 2 can really be considered a success. The tap and go because it speeds the game up and the kick out restrictions because it increases the number of contestable possessions. To me the restart rules is neither good or bad. I've no gra for the rest of the rule changes which I think don't address any the problems with the game and in most instances create new issues. The proper solution that the FRC should have made as few rules changes as possible (thereby leading to as few unforeseen consequences as possible) and only introducing rule changes that encourage risk-taking, instead of introducing highly specific rules that outlaw certain menial aspects of the game.

Exactly.

For me, only the tap and go  has been a success. 

The handing the  ball back, while I  think it's  cut out  some cynicism and time wasting, has  seen it abused and has created   more forms of cynicism.

The more obvious solution to the time wasting at free kicks was for the ref to add on 30 seconds for every deliberate fouls in injury time. That would have cut out all the bullshit pulls and trips.

A team is a point behind, the defender is bursting out of his defence to get a chance to score and equalise. Opposition player hauls him down. Refs adds 30 seconds of extra play for the cynicism, instead of rewarding the cynicism by blowing for the foul and wasting more time by handing out pointless yellow or black cards.

If a players intention is to waste time then more time should be added as a punishment.

[J70]

I would add the two pointer and three men up as successes. Two pointer keeps the game alive and encourages and rewards the skill of accurate, long range shooting. Three men up obviously helps alleviate the massed ranks across the 45 that was killing the game.

[Rossfan]

95% of "gaeldom" vs GAAboard 7.

[thewobbler]

Before long a team will push up and regain possession against clock-controlling opponents, and all this kerfuffle will go away.