RG at arms length

[Hand of God]

Did people actually read the allegations about Gallagher from his wife and the sheer viciousness of the attacks and the sustained period they took place over? Some of these incidents have been corroborated by third parties including the wife of a former Fermanagh team mate of Gallaghers.

Proving these matters 10 years or 20 years after the fact is going to be a very difficult task so it  is the court of public opinion it all comes down to who you find more credible.

This wasn't just an allegation that he hit his his wife a slap one night when he came home drunk, which itself is unforgivable. These were allegations of sustained, viscous attacks over a number of years that left the woman hospitalized with broken bones on a number of occasions including times where he kicked her as she lay prone on the ground and another where he bit her.

The allegations are monstrous and it shouldn't rely on a court conviction in a matter that will be extremely difficult to convict on given the time lapse. I disagree strongly with Burns on other issues, particularly the current debacle with Allianz but he was absolutely right to intervene on Gallagher if he believed the allegations to be of a credible nature.

[Truthsayer]

Back in the 90,s there been more than a few lads playing who been in Jail for memberahip,explosives and on up. Dont remember much say then.

For real? You do know the difference between a criminal record and a political record? Or are you suggesting the political prisoners in the H block and other prisons were in fact ODCs?

Totally unrelated to topic more your post. Do you also put loyalist political prisoners in the same bracket?

My post is in response to that ludicrous previous post.
As happened loyalists were classed as political prisoners in the early release scheme of the GFA.
Reality much of their actions were sectarian war crimes with the targeting of innocent civilians.
I'm not sure how many of them rejoined their GAA clubs on release.
Debate is getting ridiculous. No way were political prisoners going to be barred from their GAA clubs... ffs!

[Hand of God]

Back in the 90,s there been more than a few lads playing who been in Jail for memberahip,explosives and on up. Dont remember much say then.

For real? You do know the difference between a criminal record and a political record? Or are you suggesting the political prisoners in the H block and other prisons were in fact ODCs?

Totally unrelated to topic more your post. Do you also put loyalist political prisoners in the same bracket?

My post is in response to that ludicrous previous post.
As happened loyalists were classed as political prisoners in the early release scheme of the GFA.
Reality much of their actions were sectarian war crimes with the targeting of innocent civilians.
I'm not sure how many of them rejoined their GAA clubs on release.
Debate is getting ridiculous. No way were political prisoners going to be barred from their GAA clubs... ffs!

Exactly, comparing a person who was caught up in a political conflict touched nearly every family across the O6 to a guy accused of of sustained vicious attacks that left his wife in hospital a number of times is crazy and shows a very questionable moral compass.

[Milltown Row2]

Back in the 90,s there been more than a few lads playing who been in Jail for memberahip,explosives and on up. Dont remember much say then.

For real? You do know the difference between a criminal record and a political record? Or are you suggesting the political prisoners in the H block and other prisons were in fact ODCs?

Totally unrelated to topic more your post. Do you also put loyalist political prisoners in the same bracket?

My post is in response to that ludicrous previous post.
As happened loyalists were classed as political prisoners in the early release scheme of the GFA.
Reality much of their actions were sectarian war crimes with the targeting of innocent civilians.
I'm not sure how many of them rejoined their GAA clubs on release.
Debate is getting ridiculous. No way were political prisoners going to be barred from their GAA clubs... ffs!

As I said, unrelated just wanted to know that they were in fact in your view political prisoners, the targeting of innocent civilians happened on both side btw

[Truthsayer]

Back in the 90,s there been more than a few lads playing who been in Jail for memberahip,explosives and on up. Dont remember much say then.

For real? You do know the difference between a criminal record and a political record? Or are you suggesting the political prisoners in the H block and other prisons were in fact ODCs?

Totally unrelated to topic more your post. Do you also put loyalist political prisoners in the same bracket?

My post is in response to that ludicrous previous post.
As happened loyalists were classed as political prisoners in the early release scheme of the GFA.
Reality much of their actions were sectarian war crimes with the targeting of innocent civilians.
I'm not sure how many of them rejoined their GAA clubs on release.
Debate is getting ridiculous. No way were political prisoners going to be barred from their GAA clubs... ffs!

As I said, unrelated just wanted to know that they were in fact in your view political prisoners, the targeting of innocent civilians happened on both side btw

Probably a discussion for a different thread. No doubt was terrible actions carried out on both sides. Loyalism had a policy of targeting Catholics. Republicans did not target Protestants because of their religion but there were atrocities carried out against civilians that went against that.

[Milltown Row2]

Did people actually read the allegations about Gallagher from his wife and the sheer viciousness of the attacks and the sustained period they took place over? Some of these incidents have been corroborated by third parties including the wife of a former Fermanagh team mate of Gallaghers.

Proving these matters 10 years or 20 years after the fact is going to be a very difficult task so it  is the court of public opinion it all comes down to who you find more credible.

This wasn't just an allegation that he hit his his wife a slap one night when he came home drunk, which itself is unforgivable. These were allegations of sustained, viscous attacks over a number of years that left the woman hospitalized with broken bones on a number of occasions including times where he kicked her as she lay prone on the ground and another where he bit her.

The allegations are monstrous and it shouldn't rely on a court conviction in a matter that will be extremely difficult to convict on given the time lapse. I disagree strongly with Burns on other issues, particularly the current debacle with Allianz but he was absolutely right to intervene on Gallagher if he believed the allegations to be of a credible nature.

I don't think anyone with any sense feels that if there is a grain of truth in this would think any other way. But lets take RG out of this, who decides this and which 'story' is ok and which isn't

It's not for Burns to do that, but he's opened up a can of worms in doing so, and whether he's right or wrong, going around and labeling people publicly isn't in his job description   

[gallsman]

Republicans did not target Protestants because of their religion

Some of them absolutely did.

[RedHand88]

Back in the 90,s there been more than a few lads playing who been in Jail for memberahip,explosives and on up. Dont remember much say then.

For real? You do know the difference between a criminal record and a political record? Or are you suggesting the political prisoners in the H block and other prisons were in fact ODCs?

Totally unrelated to topic more your post. Do you also put loyalist political prisoners in the same bracket?

My post is in response to that ludicrous previous post.
As happened loyalists were classed as political prisoners in the early release scheme of the GFA.
Reality much of their actions were sectarian war crimes with the targeting of innocent civilians.
I'm not sure how many of them rejoined their GAA clubs on release.
Debate is getting ridiculous. No way were political prisoners going to be barred from their GAA clubs... ffs!

As I said, unrelated just wanted to know that they were in fact in your view political prisoners, the targeting of innocent civilians happened on both side btw

Probably a discussion for a different thread. No doubt was terrible actions carried out on both sides. Loyalism had a policy of targeting Catholics. Republicans did not target Protestants because of their religion but there were atrocities carried out against civilians that went against that.

Keep taking that soup lad.

[David McKeown]

Did people actually read the allegations about Gallagher from his wife and the sheer viciousness of the attacks and the sustained period they took place over? Some of these incidents have been corroborated by third parties including the wife of a former Fermanagh team mate of Gallaghers.

Proving these matters 10 years or 20 years after the fact is going to be a very difficult task so it  is the court of public opinion it all comes down to who you find more credible.

This wasn't just an allegation that he hit his his wife a slap one night when he came home drunk, which itself is unforgivable. These were allegations of sustained, viscous attacks over a number of years that left the woman hospitalized with broken bones on a number of occasions including times where he kicked her as she lay prone on the ground and another where he bit her.

The allegations are monstrous and it shouldn't rely on a court conviction in a matter that will be extremely difficult to convict on given the time lapse. I disagree strongly with Burns on other issues, particularly the current debacle with Allianz but he was absolutely right to intervene on Gallagher if he believed the allegations to be of a credible nature.

Horrible allegations but what has to be factored in is that they are denied. There has been 3 police investigations (1 in the south and 2 in the north) all of which recommended no prosecution. There's also been a family court case which has determined that RG was a suitable person for custody of the children.

None of us know what happened but it can't be the case that allegations made no matter how serious are considered in isolation.

[Truthsayer]

Back in the 90,s there been more than a few lads playing who been in Jail for memberahip,explosives and on up. Dont remember much say then.

For real? You do know the difference between a criminal record and a political record? Or are you suggesting the political prisoners in the H block and other prisons were in fact ODCs?

Totally unrelated to topic more your post. Do you also put loyalist political prisoners in the same bracket?

My post is in response to that ludicrous previous post.
As happened loyalists were classed as political prisoners in the early release scheme of the GFA.
Reality much of their actions were sectarian war crimes with the targeting of innocent civilians.
I'm not sure how many of them rejoined their GAA clubs on release.
Debate is getting ridiculous. No way were political prisoners going to be barred from their GAA clubs... ffs!

As I said, unrelated just wanted to know that they were in fact in your view political prisoners, the targeting of innocent civilians happened on both side btw

Probably a discussion for a different thread. No doubt was terrible actions carried out on both sides. Loyalism had a policy of targeting Catholics. Republicans did not target Protestants because of their religion but there were atrocities carried out against civilians that went against that.

Keep taking that soup lad.

Great the way you highlighted half that sentence.
Do you know what that expression means? 👀
Sounds like you're a boy would have took the soup.

[RedHand88]

Back in the 90,s there been more than a few lads playing who been in Jail for memberahip,explosives and on up. Dont remember much say then.

For real? You do know the difference between a criminal record and a political record? Or are you suggesting the political prisoners in the H block and other prisons were in fact ODCs?

Totally unrelated to topic more your post. Do you also put loyalist political prisoners in the same bracket?

My post is in response to that ludicrous previous post.
As happened loyalists were classed as political prisoners in the early release scheme of the GFA.
Reality much of their actions were sectarian war crimes with the targeting of innocent civilians.
I'm not sure how many of them rejoined their GAA clubs on release.
Debate is getting ridiculous. No way were political prisoners going to be barred from their GAA clubs... ffs!

As I said, unrelated just wanted to know that they were in fact in your view political prisoners, the targeting of innocent civilians happened on both side btw

Probably a discussion for a different thread. No doubt was terrible actions carried out on both sides. Loyalism had a policy of targeting Catholics. Republicans did not target Protestants because of their religion but there were atrocities carried out against civilians that went against that.

Keep taking that soup lad.

Great the way you highlighted half that sentence.
Do you know what that expression means? 👀
Sounds like you're a boy would have took the soup.

Your sentence is nonsense. You are saying they didn't target protestants apart from the times that they did. Ok.

[Truthsayer]

Back in the 90,s there been more than a few lads playing who been in Jail for memberahip,explosives and on up. Dont remember much say then.

For real? You do know the difference between a criminal record and a political record? Or are you suggesting the political prisoners in the H block and other prisons were in fact ODCs?

Totally unrelated to topic more your post. Do you also put loyalist political prisoners in the same bracket?

My post is in response to that ludicrous previous post.
As happened loyalists were classed as political prisoners in the early release scheme of the GFA.
Reality much of their actions were sectarian war crimes with the targeting of innocent civilians.
I'm not sure how many of them rejoined their GAA clubs on release.
Debate is getting ridiculous. No way were political prisoners going to be barred from their GAA clubs... ffs!

As I said, unrelated just wanted to know that they were in fact in your view political prisoners, the targeting of innocent civilians happened on both side btw

Probably a discussion for a different thread. No doubt was terrible actions carried out on both sides. Loyalism had a policy of targeting Catholics. Republicans did not target Protestants because of their religion but there were atrocities carried out against civilians that went against that.

Keep taking that soup lad.

Great the way you highlighted half that sentence.
Do you know what that expression means? 👀
Sounds like you're a boy would have took the soup.

Your sentence is nonsense. You are saying they didn't target protestants apart from the times that they did. Ok.

You know exactly what I mean.

[RedHand88]

Back in the 90,s there been more than a few lads playing who been in Jail for memberahip,explosives and on up. Dont remember much say then.

For real? You do know the difference between a criminal record and a political record? Or are you suggesting the political prisoners in the H block and other prisons were in fact ODCs?

Totally unrelated to topic more your post. Do you also put loyalist political prisoners in the same bracket?

My post is in response to that ludicrous previous post.
As happened loyalists were classed as political prisoners in the early release scheme of the GFA.
Reality much of their actions were sectarian war crimes with the targeting of innocent civilians.
I'm not sure how many of them rejoined their GAA clubs on release.
Debate is getting ridiculous. No way were political prisoners going to be barred from their GAA clubs... ffs!

As I said, unrelated just wanted to know that they were in fact in your view political prisoners, the targeting of innocent civilians happened on both side btw

Probably a discussion for a different thread. No doubt was terrible actions carried out on both sides. Loyalism had a policy of targeting Catholics. Republicans did not target Protestants because of their religion but there were atrocities carried out against civilians that went against that.

Keep taking that soup lad.

Great the way you highlighted half that sentence.
Do you know what that expression means? 👀
Sounds like you're a boy would have took the soup.

Your sentence is nonsense. You are saying they didn't target protestants apart from the times that they did. Ok.

You know exactly what I mean.

I honestly don't and have no time to debate childish nonsense. Glack.

[general_lee]

Did people actually read the allegations about Gallagher from his wife and the sheer viciousness of the attacks and the sustained period they took place over? Some of these incidents have been corroborated by third parties including the wife of a former Fermanagh team mate of Gallaghers.

Proving these matters 10 years or 20 years after the fact is going to be a very difficult task so it  is the court of public opinion it all comes down to who you find more credible.

This wasn't just an allegation that he hit his his wife a slap one night when he came home drunk, which itself is unforgivable. These were allegations of sustained, viscous attacks over a number of years that left the woman hospitalized with broken bones on a number of occasions including times where he kicked her as she lay prone on the ground and another where he bit her.

The allegations are monstrous and it shouldn't rely on a court conviction in a matter that will be extremely difficult to convict on given the time lapse. I disagree strongly with Burns on other issues, particularly the current debacle with Allianz but he was absolutely right to intervene on Gallagher if he believed the allegations to be of a credible nature.

The above would pretty much be my stance in a nutshell. I wouldn't have a massive amount of faith in the local judiciary either.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Did people actually read the allegations about Gallagher from his wife and the sheer viciousness of the attacks and the sustained period they took place over? Some of these incidents have been corroborated by third parties including the wife of a former Fermanagh team mate of Gallaghers.

Proving these matters 10 years or 20 years after the fact is going to be a very difficult task so it  is the court of public opinion it all comes down to who you find more credible.

This wasn't just an allegation that he hit his his wife a slap one night when he came home drunk, which itself is unforgivable. These were allegations of sustained, viscous attacks over a number of years that left the woman hospitalized with broken bones on a number of occasions including times where he kicked her as she lay prone on the ground and another where he bit her.

The allegations are monstrous and it shouldn't rely on a court conviction in a matter that will be extremely difficult to convict on given the time lapse. I disagree strongly with Burns on other issues, particularly the current debacle with Allianz but he was absolutely right to intervene on Gallagher if he believed the allegations to be of a credible nature.

Horrible allegations but what has to be factored in is that they are denied. There has been 3 police investigations (1 in the south and 2 in the north) all of which recommended no prosecution. There's also been a family court case which has determined that RG was a suitable person for custody of the children.

None of us know what happened but it can't be the case that allegations made no matter how serious are considered in isolation.

How else do you consider them?

At a high level, the discussion is whether the GAA, or any sports organisation, could, should or are obliged to act on a rumour of certain types of criminal behaviour from a coach or manager. This becomes prickly in an acquittal/no charges scenario.

I think we all agree that while Burns had to do something, what he did was off the cuff and opened himself and the GAA up to legal risk. There should be a process, whether it be disrepute or safeguarding grounds.