NFL Division 1

[thewobbler]

It is of course difficult not to get angry with refereeing decisions in tight games.

But when your keeper has fluffed two goals, and your forwards kicked a dozen shots wide/short that we'd expect under-16 forwards to convert, making a big deal out of a single refereeing  decision is just daft.

The referee did not cost Armagh the game. Just repeat it a few times Geezer. Then regroup.

Refs need called out more on basic errors for sure. But it didn't cost us the game, had it in our own hands and made a balls of it.

Do they?

I'd suggest this. If a manager wants to to hang a referee for one decision, then he first has to hang any players of his who made a bad decision during the game.

Call out by all means. But don't hide behind your own facts.

Fair is fair.

[Milltown Row2]

Didn't see most of the game but did the ref call it or his linesman that tells him there's a breach?

[Throw ball]

It is of course difficult not to get angry with refereeing decisions in tight games.

But when your keeper has fluffed two goals, and your forwards kicked a dozen shots wide/short that we'd expect under-16 forwards to convert, making a big deal out of a single refereeing  decision is just daft.

The referee did not cost Armagh the game. Just repeat it a few times Geezer. Then regroup.

Refs need called out more on basic errors for sure. But it didn't cost us the game, had it in our own hands and made a balls of it.

Do they?

I'd suggest this. If a manager wants to to hang a referee for one decision, then he first has to hang any players of his who made a bad decision during the game.

Call out by all means. But don't hide behind your own facts.

Fair is fair.

Not sure McGeeney was calling out the referee more than he would his players - although maybe not in public! He did complain though that there was no proper format to discuss issues with referees.

It was 4th official who called breach and McGeeney did call him out because he knew exactly the reason for it. ( Sitting in the stand I called out rule error at time)

Aside from yesterday it is important that this is cleared up. It looked like McElroy had a head injury from an earlier foul - I feel referee got call wrong there too. If it was a more serious head injury players could be reluctant to call for help if rules forbid it. That could effect any team.

And before anyone suggests the Armagh medical team should have caught it earlier I'm not sure it is that easy. Besides I don't think even McGeeney is brave enough to call out the Armagh physio. 

[Milltown Row2]

What format would be suitable?

Players managers and supporters will call every tackle against them a foul so there can't be a format that allows this discussion in real time..

[Throw ball]

What format would be suitable?

Players managers and supporters will call every tackle against them a foul so there can't be a format that allows this discussion in real time..

Not sure he meant real time.

If managers understand why decisions are made, and referees know what referees are trying to do, both may learn in long run.

[Smokin Joe]

Lads, that McElory incident is straight forward - once you kno whether he was beyond the 65m line or not.

If he was beyond the 65m line then the ref got it right and it is a 20m / 2 point free.  If he didn't go beyond the 65m line then the ref was wrong it was as simple as that.
As David McKeown has said, the ONLY time a breach is a free on the half way line is when you cause the breach by virtue of contesting for the ball and cross halfay.

[Milltown Row2]

What format would be suitable?

Players managers and supporters will call every tackle against them a foul so there can't be a format that allows this discussion in real time..

Not sure he meant real time.

If managers understand why decisions are made, and referees know what referees are trying to do, both may learn in long run.

Not being funny but the refs explain their decisions rightly or wrongly depending who you support when the blow the whistle

Managers and players like a scapegoat though, rather look at their own performance and call it out (publicly) let's just attack the officials instead

[Orior]

Mistakes by referees are never deliberate and balance out over time, so they do.

[Blowitupref]

How things stand after two rounds.

[SouthDublinBro]

The Armagh folk just can't handle defeat. Very bad losers.

[Rossfan]

Would settle for 4th place now.
Good win today but lots to work on.
The second quarter waste of so much possession
Soloing into groups of defenders
A bit more directness
Mark Dowd's response when questioner mentioned scoring 4-36 in 2 games...we left a lot of scores behind us, need to work on that.

Ah feck it let's enjoy our first decent win for ages,
8 or 10 new lads who'll be hard dislodged by Brid's bucks,
Enda back to near his best (less said about his first shot the better)
A management who seem to be getting a lot of things right

[David McKeown]

It is of course difficult not to get angry with refereeing decisions in tight games.

But when your keeper has fluffed two goals, and your forwards kicked a dozen shots wide/short that we'd expect under-16 forwards to convert, making a big deal out of a single refereeing  decision is just daft.

The referee did not cost Armagh the game. Just repeat it a few times Geezer. Then regroup.

Refs need called out more on basic errors for sure. But it didn't cost us the game, had it in our own hands and made a balls of it.

Do they?

I'd suggest this. If a manager wants to to hang a referee for one decision, then he first has to hang any players of his who made a bad decision during the game.

Call out by all means. But don't hide behind your own facts.

Fair is fair.

Not sure McGeeney was calling out the referee more than he would his players - although maybe not in public! He did complain though that there was no proper format to discuss issues with referees.

It was 4th official who called breach and McGeeney did call him out because he knew exactly the reason for it. ( Sitting in the stand I called out rule error at time)

Aside from yesterday it is important that this is cleared up. It looked like McElroy had a head injury from an earlier foul - I feel referee got call wrong there too. If it was a more serious head injury players could be reluctant to call for help if rules forbid it. That could effect any team.

And before anyone suggests the Armagh medical team should have caught it earlier I'm not sure it is that easy. Besides I don't think even McGeeney is brave enough to call out the Armagh physio. 

What was the rule error?

[David McKeown]

Lads, that McElory incident is straight forward - once you kno whether he was beyond the 65m line or not.

If he was beyond the 65m line then the ref got it right and it is a 20m / 2 point free.  If he didn't go beyond the 65m line then the ref was wrong it was as simple as that.
As David McKeown has said, the ONLY time a breach is a free on the half way line is when you cause the breach by virtue of contesting for the ball and cross halfay.

Surely if he deliberately goes beyond the half way line the infraction is committed. The 4m only comes into it if he's not intentionally crossed the half way line.

[tonto1888]

It is of course difficult not to get angry with refereeing decisions in tight games.

But when your keeper has fluffed two goals, and your forwards kicked a dozen shots wide/short that we'd expect under-16 forwards to convert, making a big deal out of a single refereeing  decision is just daft.

The referee did not cost Armagh the game. Just repeat it a few times Geezer. Then regroup.

Refs need called out more on basic errors for sure. But it didn't cost us the game, had it in our own hands and made a balls of it.

Do they?

I'd suggest this. If a manager wants to to hang a referee for one decision, then he first has to hang any players of his who made a bad decision during the game.

Call out by all means. But don't hide behind your own facts.

Fair is fair.

If you're talking about McGeeney he talked about missed chances and mistakes before talking about that breech

[Cunny Funt]

How things stand after two rounds.

Early days yet but Mayo looking well placed to win another Division 1 title though can current form be brought into the championship?

Interesting that Jack O'Connor chose not to play David Clifford today, mind games before they meet again this summer?  Sean O'Shea basically kept Kerry in the game today,last week v Roscommon and indeed last year against Meath shows their strength in depth is no where near as strong it should be for defending All-Ireland champion.

Monaghan in a really sticky patch now but in the past they have been a team to make a great escape.