Man Utd Thread:

[Armagh18]

In an ideal world Carrick would get top 4, you'd get a few good signings in the summer, get a top manager in that'll steady the ship for a few years with Carrick as his assistant with a view to taking over in the longer term.

Who might that be?

As someone else has pointed out they've tried all sorts of everything and with limited success, so for me the structural failings are still there and Tory Jim hasn't helped.

Thats the thing, not sure who you get that guarantees success. Ancelotti? Tuchel? Enrique?

[Captain Scarlet]

Someone like Ancelotti - if he can manage egos and boardrooms in Madrid he can manage those boys. Let Carrick stay on and coach for the lads who love to chat about DNA.

Now watch as a I contradict myself...if things are going well and the vibes are good, then maybe let Carrick play out? He will do as he's told and steady things without looking for a multimillion pay-out when he gets the chop.

[Look-Up!]

Judge him after the next 15 games. It's too early to say if this is a bounce or him working his genius. I understand a bit why some are skeptical about giving him the job long term but that's not on the table yet.

He has 15 games to manage and if that goes average then fair enough, get another manager. But if it goes very well then I don't see why they wouldn't give him the job. There's still a bit of transitioning going on in the club and headway can be hard made no matter who they get in, so if they are making some progress, rocking the boat and going for headlines with a big name is just as risky or maybe even higher risk than keeping it steady. 

[tiempo]

Carrick has entered 2 mini-leagues

Forget the earlier 21 games, Carrick has a 17 game season to grab the role, and so far he's top of the league with 6 points, if he wins the 17 game season i.e. gains more points than any other teams in that time then he has to be given the job, end of, as that'll be title winning form and you can't ignore that

Assuming top 3 is out of reach can he grab 4th which is at least a 'best of the rest' platform to build from going into next season, again if he does for me he deserves the job, if he nips third then he's far outperformed expectation and again must be given the job

The only way he doesn't start next season as manager is 5th or below

He's entering the fray very much as Arteta did at Arsenal, there's no need for a 'name' when someone who can learn and improve on the job is going rightly

[AustinPowers]

Solskjaer started well , got the contract (which was silly really),  then faded a bit towards end of season. Carrick  might be the same. Better to wait and see how he gets on over a  longer period (end of season) , before talking about anything longer term

Ancelotti would have  been my choice a few years ago.  If he won the world cup with Brazil , I doubt United would  be his choice

[Look-Up!]

He's not OGS though. He's a completely different person. Starting well is not a bad thing.

Haven't really heard much from him interview wise yet but he seems a much more serious character than Solskjaer. The Norwegian seemed like a wide eyed boy in complete awe of his surroundings and history of the club and some of the pundits in the media too. Actually I found the big brother protector act with Keane and Neville of all things Ole a bit cringy. So the fact Roy seems on Carrick's case straight away might actually be a good thing. 

[Armagh18]

Also Carrick seems to have tactics unlike Ole. Ole got a bounce as the players hated Jose, don't think they hated Amorim as such but he was grossly misusing them, especially Mainoo and Bruno. Carrick has good players playing in their strongest position.

[magpie seanie]

Bad and all as United are they're just 3 points behind last year's winners who spent almost half a billion in the summer. 

Liverpool's worst run of form since the 1950s and we're still ahead of a team that had definitely turned a corner a few months ago after a rare win at Anfield 

Welcome back Seanie !

This is aging well. 

[Blowitupref]

The MF has been badly mismanaged, they aren't that bad

Utd don't need signings, they have 16 senior internationals to fit into 11 slots, and some excellent development prospects coming though, and its not like they have an excessive number of games to plan for, they need to start by getting the best out of what they've got

Are Utd objectively any worse on paper than Villa Chelsea Newcastle Brentford? No. Therefore they don't need signings at this time, they need to deploy effectively the talent they have in the building. The most recent urgent signing they needed was a GK and they now have a good one, they have 20 quality players vying for 11 places, its not rocket science

As i was saying, the players are there to make a stab at it in the short term

One HUGE positive is that Garnacho Rashford and Sancho aren't there to derail things, Rubens legacy?

His signings in the year in charge was fairly decent then again he was just the coach and someone else was doing the transfer business?

[Armagh18]

Liverpool winless in 5 games and still hanging about like a bad smell only 2 points off 4th.

[trueblue1234]

Bad and all as United are they're just 3 points behind last year's winners who spent almost half a billion in the summer. 

Liverpool's worst run of form since the 1950s and we're still ahead of a team that had definitely turned a corner a few months ago after a rare win at Anfield 

Welcome back Seanie !

This is aging well. 

Why do I feel we might see this post again in the future.

[Captain Obvious]

Also Carrick seems to have tactics unlike Ole. Ole got a bounce as the players hated Jose, don't think they hated Amorim as such but he was grossly misusing them, especially Mainoo and Bruno. Carrick has good players playing in their strongest position.

All done without tactics? you Manchester United fans have short memories.

Biggest Win: A massive 9-0 home victory against Southampton in the Premier League on February 2, 2021.

Famous Comeback: The memorable 3-1 away win over Paris Saint-Germain in March 2019, which saw United overturn a 2-0 first-leg deficit to progress in the Champions League.

Strong League Finish: Guiding the team to a second-place and 3rd place finishes in the 2020-21,2019/20 Premier League, their best back to back league finishes in the post-Sir Alex Ferguson era.

Away Record: Setting a club and English top-flight record of 29 consecutive Premier League away matches unbeaten between February 2020 and October 2021.

Derby Success: Achieved a league double over Manchester City in the 2019-20 season for the first time since the Ferguson era and was the first manager to beat Pep Guardiola three times in a single season.

Initial Winning Streak: Won his first eight matches in caretaker charge.

[Armagh18]

His tactics were very, very basic. Sit back and counter and rely on the pace of Rashford etc. Little or no proper patterns of play and relied heavily on Rashford, Martial, Greenwood or Bruno doing something special.

[laoislad]

Bad and all as United are they're just 3 points behind last year's winners who spent almost half a billion in the summer. 

Liverpool's worst run of form since the 1950s and we're still ahead of a team that had definitely turned a corner a few months ago after a rare win at Anfield 

Welcome back Seanie !

This is aging well. 

Not like you to blow your load so early Seanie.I'd expect it from the dipshits on here,not you.Over a decade of mediocrity and being knocked off your perch must really have affected you 😂.

Banter aside..😉
I don't gamble(I have more sense than that) but to be fair if I did I wouldn't be rushing out to put any money on Liverpool finishing above Man United.
Still plenty to play for as an experienced man like you knows but with Man United not playing with the big clubs in the Champions League(or the FA Cup)you would think it's in their hands to finish top 4.

[tiempo]

The MF has been badly mismanaged, they aren't that bad

Utd don't need signings, they have 16 senior internationals to fit into 11 slots, and some excellent development prospects coming though, and its not like they have an excessive number of games to plan for, they need to start by getting the best out of what they've got

Are Utd objectively any worse on paper than Villa Chelsea Newcastle Brentford? No. Therefore they don't need signings at this time, they need to deploy effectively the talent they have in the building. The most recent urgent signing they needed was a GK and they now have a good one, they have 20 quality players vying for 11 places, its not rocket science

As i was saying, the players are there to make a stab at it in the short term

One HUGE positive is that Garnacho Rashford and Sancho aren't there to derail things, Rubens legacy?

His signings in the year in charge was fairly decent then again he was just the coach and someone else was doing the transfer business?

According to t'internet the squad is a composite of x10 Pep Wilcox, x7 John Murtagh, x6 Dan Ashworth and x5 Ed Woodward signings

Recruitment is the be all and end all, they need talent ID people that aren't going to let the best players in the North West slip by nevermind rest of Eng, Europe and globally

Bruno is some operator from the halfway line on, all hail Ed Woodward (also responsible for Maguire, Shaw, Dalot and Amad), its a funny concoction but really highlights the need for stability at technical and managerial level

Pope, Coleman, Digne, Nzonzi, Stones, Wharton, Shaquiri all bad misses