The Many Faces of US Politics...

[Captain Obvious]

Imagine any poor woman married to Eoin.

https://www.facebook.com/rteradio1/videos/in-the-wake-of-ice-agents-shooting-dead-a-woman-in-the-us-city-of-minneapolis-li/883646034150255/

[Armagh18]

Legally speaking I think the ICE officer has a workable defence and would even hear. Morally it is absolutely horrible.

I used to dream of living and working in the states. I'm dual qualified over there. I've now cancelled this years holiday to there. I can't see me being back during this term.

Seen a few legal experts based in the states saying that it's unwinnable- if he'd just fired the first shot they'd have a chance of working something, with the second and third shots theres no defence and they say if they were offered anything less than life without parole they'd strongly advise their client to take it.

100% agree on not travelling there, had planned on heading to New York and Nashville at some point but will be putting that off until the orange twat is gone.

[Armagh18]

You'd question how well the agent was trained in stop and search.  Silly position to take up.

Vance and others trying to defend him by saying he was badly injured last year after being dragged by a car and this was a factor in him reacting as he did. Surely you don't let anyone suffering from ptsd lose in the streets armed to the teeth?

[tyrone08]

The most logical response to a us invasion of Greenland is to simply close all us basesin nato countries. Of course this plays straight into putins hands but i am certain trump is a russian assest

[Armagh18]

The most logical response to a us invasion of Greenland is to simply close all us basesin nato countries. Of course this plays straight into putins hands but i am certain trump is a russian assest

He 100% is. NATO minus the US would still have enough for Russia to know not to invade you'd think. I'm not expert but apparently EU/NATO countries own enough US debt to crash the US economy if they really want to. 

[David McKeown]

Legally speaking I think the ICE officer has a workable defence and would even hear. Morally it is absolutely horrible.

I used to dream of living and working in the states. I'm dual qualified over there. I've now cancelled this years holiday to there. I can't see me being back during this term.

Seen a few legal experts based in the states saying that it's unwinnable- if he'd just fired the first shot they'd have a chance of working something, with the second and third shots theres no defence and they say if they were offered anything less than life without parole they'd strongly advise their client to take it.

100% agree on not travelling there, had planned on heading to New York and Nashville at some point but will be putting that off until the orange twat is gone.

I've never defended anyone on a murder charge in America to be fair so I'll bow to their expertise. Here there would be a very workable defence and it would come down to what the honest belief of the ICE officer was as the reasonableness and proportionality of the response has to be judged against that.

My view is that a jury could very well say in the heat of the moment the ICE agent may have interpreted the actions of the deceased as being aggressive and would then give him a considerable degree of latitude

[trueblue1234]

Legally speaking I think the ICE officer has a workable defence and would even hear. Morally it is absolutely horrible.

I used to dream of living and working in the states. I'm dual qualified over there. I've now cancelled this years holiday to there. I can't see me being back during this term.

Seen a few legal experts based in the states saying that it's unwinnable- if he'd just fired the first shot they'd have a chance of working something, with the second and third shots theres no defence and they say if they were offered anything less than life without parole they'd strongly advise their client to take it.

100% agree on not travelling there, had planned on heading to New York and Nashville at some point but will be putting that off until the orange twat is gone.

I've never defended anyone on a murder charge in America to be fair so I'll bow to their expertise. Here there would be a very workable defence and it would come down to what the honest belief of the ICE officer was as the reasonableness and proportionality of the response has to be judged against that.

My view is that a jury could very well say in the heat of the moment the ICE agent may have interpreted the actions of the deceased as being aggressive and would then give him a considerable degree of latitude

David, I'd bow to your superior legal knowledge, but surely there's a threshold for interpretation. As in it would have to correlate to the actions. Claiming fear of being killed by the vehicle can't be enough to remove guilt. Otherwise all state murder cases would falter. Surely bringing evidence to show the fear was unfounded and that the actions of the officer were incomparable to the actions of the victim has to play a part. That said, I don't expect that to be the case now as it's gone political and I don't believe there will be a fair investigation either way.
ICE officers must be starting to rethink their career prospects. It's now only a matter of time before this resistance to their presence is increased and their own safety is going to be an issue.

[Armagh18]

Legally speaking I think the ICE officer has a workable defence and would even hear. Morally it is absolutely horrible.

I used to dream of living and working in the states. I'm dual qualified over there. I've now cancelled this years holiday to there. I can't see me being back during this term.

Seen a few legal experts based in the states saying that it's unwinnable- if he'd just fired the first shot they'd have a chance of working something, with the second and third shots theres no defence and they say if they were offered anything less than life without parole they'd strongly advise their client to take it.

100% agree on not travelling there, had planned on heading to New York and Nashville at some point but will be putting that off until the orange twat is gone.

I've never defended anyone on a murder charge in America to be fair so I'll bow to their expertise. Here there would be a very workable defence and it would come down to what the honest belief of the ICE officer was as the reasonableness and proportionality of the response has to be judged against that.

My view is that a jury could very well say in the heat of the moment the ICE agent may have interpreted the actions of the deceased as being aggressive and would then give him a considerable degree of latitude

Heat of the moment on the first shot you could probably argue (wrongly of course) but what about the shots through the side window when it was clear there was no threat? Surely there's no legal justification for that??

[Armagh18]

Bombing Syria now...

[Milltown Row2]

Bombing Syria now...

Which part and who?

[Eamonnca1]

Former law enforcement officer, Kramer Hammy:

"It is clear that US citizens' ignorance of federal laws and law enforcement duties, procedures, and limits of authority is getting to the point where it is deadly. I spent probably 3 hours watching and re-watching, and finding every single video and angle I could of the situation in Minnesota yesterday and came to one immovable conclusion based off of what I saw and what I know from a professional standpoint. This is long, but please give it a read.

"As a former officer, let me make something clear: ICE agents ARE NOT police officers, deputy sheriffs, or troopers. They are not local/state law enforcement. They are not federal criminal law enforcement. They have an INCREDIBLY limited scope of authority, and that scope of authority exists in detaining and arresting with probable cause and/or SIGNED WARRANTS those investigated and suspected of being in the US illegally.

"They cannot just pull anyone over for a traffic violation or because their car is in a place they don't want it. They have NO authority to pull people over for ANYTHING other than immigration enforcement- and even then that involves probable cause, such as a known vehicle of someone they have been tracking, or a warrant. On very rare occasions they have the legal authority to pull someone over if they are threatening the lives of others, but that was not happening in this case. They do not have the training nor the authority to pull ANYONE else over. They cannot arrest legal citizens. They cannot detain legal citizens without probable cause to believe they might not be legal. They have ZERO authority to be attempting to force entry into a vehicle- without even identifying themselves, without a warrant, without exigent circumstances such as a life being directly threatened- that is trying to drive down the street without probable cause in relation to IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

"This ENTIRE situation in Minnesota was outside of the scope of legal authority from the get go. None of it was done within the scope of authority of ICE. Every single behavior those agents made was procedurally incorrect, done without proper authority, and was based off of intimidation and the assumption that people do not understand the law and their rights in regards to interactions with ICE.
"On no planet should an officer, agent, or any human being ever step in front of a car in 'drive' that is actively trying to leave and use their body as a shield to prevent a person from LEGALLY LEAVING a situation in which they are not legally being detained. It takes maybe a week of any kind of actual law enforcement training to understand that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you ever place yourself in front of a vehicle in 'drive.' That agent had every single opportunity to simply take two steps to the right and not be standing directly in front of a vehicle attempting to conduct their legal right to drive away.
"You can see the wheels are turned, [Renee] backed up and turned them to the right, moved forward a bit to leave, couldn't because an agent was standing in front of her, and continued to try to leave by TURNING HER WHEELS TO THE RIGHT and moving forward. He continually chose to stand there and not allow her to legally leave as she had every single right to do.

The officer pulling on her door and banging on her window and swearing at her had ZERO authority to order her out of her vehicle or attempt to make entry into her vehicle. NONE. A single day of actual training of the legal scope of authority and the LAW would've prevented that from happening.
"You now have a frightened citizen being blockaded by immigration agents (with another person in her vehicle) who had zero obligation to follow legally invalid orders from that agent, being blocked in and having a fully grown, masked man attempting to make entry into her car. If this were reversed, every single person would immediately feel she had every reasonable expectation to fear for her safety. It doesn't matter if she knew it was ICE because the agents weren't even acting in their scope of authority anyway.

"Whether or not she made the right decision by very CLEARLY- based off of how hard her wheels were turned and how low and to the driver corner windshield that shot was fired- trying to drive to the left of that agent is IRRELEVANT in the picture as a whole.

None of this would have happened if those agents had done even one single thing correctly. Not just correctly, but within their legal scope of authority. Every single moment of that interaction was escalated by untrained, unprofessional, procedurally inept "agents" who not only had zero control of themselves but everything around them. And not because they are helpless, but because their actions that did not fall under their scope of power CAUSED this. Their tempers, lack of training, and the knowledge that they can get away with violating their own scope of authority caused this.

"I will always be the first to defend law enforcement when lethal force very clearly is required. But this was not even remotely the case, and as an actual TRAINED professional in that field with experience and understanding of both the law and procedures, there is no justification for this- and it would benefit EVERYONE to actually read up on the laws, scope of authority, and use a single shred of common sense to see that this situation was started, escalated, and caused by the ICE agents involved. I have zero respect for those in power who are ignorant of the scope of their authority and abuse it at the cost of lives around them."

[Eamonnca1]

Imagine any poor woman married to Eoin.

https://www.facebook.com/rteradio1/videos/in-the-wake-of-ice-agents-shooting-dead-a-woman-in-the-us-city-of-minneapolis-li/883646034150255/

That's the kind of boy that makes women need to cover their drinks as soon as he walks into the bar.

[Armagh18]

Bombing Syria now...

Which part and who?

"ISIS" parts and guess who lol

[Milltown Row2]

Bombing Syria now...

Which part and who?

"ISIS" parts and guess who lol

The ex Isis leader, friends with trump and he's bombing the leader's opposition?

[DaleCooper]

People are emotional but the images show clearly his case is strong[aside from having Fedgov backing].

She Reverses car, as the wheels are still pointed left[by 5-10 degrees] they start spinning, car lurches forward a bit then wheels turn right. Her intention was to flee the scene/evade arrest without harming anyone. It does not matter in LAW.

From POV of the shooter he can claim to be in fear for his life as an audibly revving 2 ton SUV with spinning tyres is aimed at him. Thats the crucial moment he decided to act and all you need to justify force. Then you have the shooters prior incident being dragged[prob shouldnt be on frontline duty due to this]

>Minnesota Statutes § 609.065
Deadly force is justified only:
"when necessary in resisting or preventing an offense which the actor reasonably believes exposes the actor or another to great bodily harm or death, or preventing the commission of a felony in the actor's place of abode."

You have a duty to retreat unless its your own home. He will say be didnt have time to dive out of the way.

Its clear his colleague shouting at her was the catalyzing event. It caught the shooter off guard as the car had been sitting stationary for a while, whilst he was milling around.

Her partner[Becca] shouted "drive drive!" , making her an accessory[under law] to whatever Renee Good was going to be charged with. Becca blamed herself for them being there to begin with.

Its a stupid situation all round.