Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[Hand of God]

Is it really worth getting your knickers in such a twist over? Yet to see anyone say the Brits/Americans/Belgians etc etc were a great bunch of lads

So it's ok for this thread to be relentless unchallenged propaganda? If you criticize Western foreign policy at all on this thread the same 5 or 6 posters are howling about tankies.

Your point is bizarre here. You seem like a contrarian. You just want this thread to left as an echo chamber for right wing nutters to tar anyone who criticises the West as tankies and Russian shills?

The Brits alone are responsible for over 10x the number of worldwide deaths than the Russians are. Why is it so outrageous to correct the type of falsehoods Milltown RUC is stating?

[Armagh18]

The Brits are scumbags, the Russians are scumbags. I think we can all agree there.

This is the Russia/ Ukraine thread, can we talk about that by any chance?

[Hand of God]

The Brits are scumbags, the Russians are scumbags. I think we can all agree there.

This is the Russia/ Ukraine thread, can we talk about that by any chance?

We can agree on the but there's also a false equivalence there. Russia has nowhere near the blood on its hands the British have, not even near 10%.

This thread descends into being labelled a tankie and called a Russian propagandist if you dare mention or call into question the very clear and obvious role, the West, in particularly the US, has had in creating this conflict, inflaming it and then prolonging it.

You can be as emphatic as you like in condemning Russia, Putin or whoever but if you dare throw the lens on the West your character is assassinated and false positions attributed.

It's relentless propaganda by the same 5/6 extremist neo libs on this thread. Why should it not be challenged.

The same posters were the ones all over the Presidential thread trying to smear the Irish President because she raised valid points on Western imperialism and bloodlust. Why are you arguing that it's not ok to contend these points? Why are you arguing that it's ok to instantly resort to tankie and pro-Russians jibes when the character assassinations are called out rather than accepting the West were heavily involved in creating and fueling this conflict?

[Rossfan]

Russia invaded Ukraine.

[Dag Dog]

Is it really worth getting your knickers in such a twist over? Yet to see anyone say the Brits/Americans/Belgians etc etc were a great bunch of lads

So it's ok for this thread to be relentless unchallenged propaganda? If you criticize Western foreign policy at all on this thread the same 5 or 6 posters are howling about tankies.

Your point is bizarre here. You seem like a contrarian. You just want this thread to left as an echo chamber for right wing nutters to tar anyone who criticises the West as tankies and Russian shills?

The Brits alone are responsible for over 10x the number of worldwide deaths than the Russians are. Why is it so outrageous to correct the type of falsehoods Milltown RUC is stating?

Could you tell us these death totals that you're tracking?
That way we can know when Putin has finally stepped out of line and killed one Ukrainian too many.

[Dag Dog]

Russia invaded Ukraine.

Yes, but other stuff...

[Hand of God]

Is it really worth getting your knickers in such a twist over? Yet to see anyone say the Brits/Americans/Belgians etc etc were a great bunch of lads

So it's ok for this thread to be relentless unchallenged propaganda? If you criticize Western foreign policy at all on this thread the same 5 or 6 posters are howling about tankies.

Your point is bizarre here. You seem like a contrarian. You just want this thread to left as an echo chamber for right wing nutters to tar anyone who criticises the West as tankies and Russian shills?

The Brits alone are responsible for over 10x the number of worldwide deaths than the Russians are. Why is it so outrageous to correct the type of falsehoods Milltown RUC is stating?

Could you tell us these death totals that you're tracking?
That way we can know when Putin has finally stepped out of line and killed one Ukrainian too many.

Once again you are resorting to misrepresentations. I have relentlessly condemned Russia for the invasion and called for Putin to be in the Hague for the war crimes committed.

The issue when the spotlight goes on the West and the hypocrisy of their position here, their involvement in encouraging the war, inflaming the war and prolonging the war then you need to attack the character of those people and smear them with positions they don't hold

You got badly exposed in your attempted smear or Daniel Lambert.

You don't care about war and invasion.
You don't care for the Ukranians.
You just care that Western supremacism remains in tact and you have zero moral confliction in how they do that. In fact you are happy for the West to arm, fund a give cover for an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. This shows there is nothing sincere or humane about your position.

[Dag Dog]

Is it really worth getting your knickers in such a twist over? Yet to see anyone say the Brits/Americans/Belgians etc etc were a great bunch of lads

So it's ok for this thread to be relentless unchallenged propaganda? If you criticize Western foreign policy at all on this thread the same 5 or 6 posters are howling about tankies.

Your point is bizarre here. You seem like a contrarian. You just want this thread to left as an echo chamber for right wing nutters to tar anyone who criticises the West as tankies and Russian shills?

The Brits alone are responsible for over 10x the number of worldwide deaths than the Russians are. Why is it so outrageous to correct the type of falsehoods Milltown RUC is stating?

Could you tell us these death totals that you're tracking?
That way we can know when Putin has finally stepped out of line and killed one Ukrainian too many.

Once again you are resorting to misrepresentations. I have relentlessly condemned Russia for the invasion and called for Putin to be in the Hague for the war crimes committed.

The issue when the spotlight goes on the West and the hypocrisy of their position here, their involvement in encouraging the war, inflaming the war and prolonging the war then you need to attack the character of those people and smear them with positions they don't hold

You got badly exposed in your attempted smear or Daniel Lambert.

You don't care about war and invasion.
You don't care for the Ukranians.
You just care that Western supremacism remains in tact and you have zero moral confliction in how they do that. In fact you are happy for the West to arm, fund a give cover for an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. This shows there is nothing sincere or humane about your position.

You're just making stuff up now and projecting.
I believe people like Daniel Lambert are clowns because they are full throated in support of Palestinians, and claim to be anti-imperialists, but when the invading and murdering imperialists happen to Russia, they start making excuses.

[Milltown Row2]

Russia invaded Ukraine.

End of thread..

But no, let's talk about why and who 'started' it, mainly brought about by the US cause they are bad.. yes bad.

Russians are good it seems because them pesky westerners actually started it.

Ukraine is a Sovereign nation, has been invaded

Ireland in the north, still invaded both the same. Invaded by powerful nations but differing opinions for some reason

[Hand of God]

Russia invaded Ukraine.

Who denied that? Nobody. There seems a relentless campaign by the same neo liberals who support genocide in Palestine to pretend they are acting in good faith in Ukraine. Would you not agree that's a fair comment when Schulz, Von Der Leyen, Starmer, Trump, Biden, Macron, Johnson are all very much pro Israel and pro Ukraine?

The issue is we can all agree Russia are bad. Haven't seen anyone contend that here.

We are not allowed examine the Wests role in this without smears and character assassinations. We are not allowed question if the West is actually acting in the interests of the Ukranian people without smear and character assassinations.

[Hand of God]

Russia invaded Ukraine.

End of thread..

But no, let's talk about why and who 'started' it, mainly brought about by the US cause they are bad.. yes bad.

Russians are good it seems because them pesky westerners actually started it.

Ukraine is a Sovereign nation, has been invaded

Ireland in the north, still invaded both the same. Invaded by powerful nations but differing opinions for some reason

The village idiot along to add more misinformation into the fire.

We can all agree Russia invaded Ukraine and are very bad. Putin is a tyrant, should be in the Hague. There's nobody stating any different here so why pretend there is?

We are not allowed discuss the West here though. They are a major part of this conflict. Why are we not allowed discuss their role, their intentions and whether they are doing the best by the Ukranian people?

[Milltown Row2]

Russia invaded Ukraine.

End of thread..

But no, let's talk about why and who 'started' it, mainly brought about by the US cause they are bad.. yes bad.

Russians are good it seems because them pesky westerners actually started it.

Ukraine is a Sovereign nation, has been invaded

Ireland in the north, still invaded both the same. Invaded by powerful nations but differing opinions for some reason

The village idiot along to add more misinformation into the fire.

We can all agree Russia invaded Ukraine and are very bad. Putin is a tyrant, should be in the Hague. There's nobody stating any different here so why pretend there is?

We are not allowed discuss the West here though. They are a major part of this conflict. Why are we not allowed discuss their role, their intentions and whether they are doing the best by the Ukranian people?

Very touchy, who has not said that the US is not bad? Rotten to the core.. can't express that enough.. there's no arguing

But feck me! Defending the reasons as to why another country has taken land, lives and displaced hundreds of thousands of people makes you look like a twat.

[Hand of God]

Is it really worth getting your knickers in such a twist over? Yet to see anyone say the Brits/Americans/Belgians etc etc were a great bunch of lads

So it's ok for this thread to be relentless unchallenged propaganda? If you criticize Western foreign policy at all on this thread the same 5 or 6 posters are howling about tankies.

Your point is bizarre here. You seem like a contrarian. You just want this thread to left as an echo chamber for right wing nutters to tar anyone who criticises the West as tankies and Russian shills?

The Brits alone are responsible for over 10x the number of worldwide deaths than the Russians are. Why is it so outrageous to correct the type of falsehoods Milltown RUC is stating?

Could you tell us these death totals that you're tracking?
That way we can know when Putin has finally stepped out of line and killed one Ukrainian too many.

Once again you are resorting to misrepresentations. I have relentlessly condemned Russia for the invasion and called for Putin to be in the Hague for the war crimes committed.

The issue when the spotlight goes on the West and the hypocrisy of their position here, their involvement in encouraging the war, inflaming the war and prolonging the war then you need to attack the character of those people and smear them with positions they don't hold

You got badly exposed in your attempted smear or Daniel Lambert.

You don't care about war and invasion.
You don't care for the Ukranians.
You just care that Western supremacism remains in tact and you have zero moral confliction in how they do that. In fact you are happy for the West to arm, fund a give cover for an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. This shows there is nothing sincere or humane about your position.

You're just making stuff up now and projecting.
I believe people like Daniel Lambert are clowns because they are full throated in support of Palestinians, and claim to be anti-imperialists, but when the invading and murdering imperialists happen to Russia, they start making excuses.

You smeared him with positions he didn't have.

You smeared him because he raised valid points on the West and the lack of any morality and the sheer hypocrisy of their position on Ukraine and Palestine.

You didn't expose or prove him wrong on anything, you were pressed by a poster here on it and couldn't provide anything.

So as you can't argue his point you try to smear him with positions he doesn't have.

[Dag Dog]

Is it really worth getting your knickers in such a twist over? Yet to see anyone say the Brits/Americans/Belgians etc etc were a great bunch of lads

So it's ok for this thread to be relentless unchallenged propaganda? If you criticize Western foreign policy at all on this thread the same 5 or 6 posters are howling about tankies.

Your point is bizarre here. You seem like a contrarian. You just want this thread to left as an echo chamber for right wing nutters to tar anyone who criticises the West as tankies and Russian shills?

The Brits alone are responsible for over 10x the number of worldwide deaths than the Russians are. Why is it so outrageous to correct the type of falsehoods Milltown RUC is stating?

Could you tell us these death totals that you're tracking?
That way we can know when Putin has finally stepped out of line and killed one Ukrainian too many.

Once again you are resorting to misrepresentations. I have relentlessly condemned Russia for the invasion and called for Putin to be in the Hague for the war crimes committed.

The issue when the spotlight goes on the West and the hypocrisy of their position here, their involvement in encouraging the war, inflaming the war and prolonging the war then you need to attack the character of those people and smear them with positions they don't hold

You got badly exposed in your attempted smear or Daniel Lambert.

You don't care about war and invasion.
You don't care for the Ukranians.
You just care that Western supremacism remains in tact and you have zero moral confliction in how they do that. In fact you are happy for the West to arm, fund a give cover for an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. This shows there is nothing sincere or humane about your position.

You're just making stuff up now and projecting.
I believe people like Daniel Lambert are clowns because they are full throated in support of Palestinians, and claim to be anti-imperialists, but when the invading and murdering imperialists happen to Russia, they start making excuses.

You smeared him with positions he didn't have.

You smeared him because he raised valid points on the West and the lack of any morality and the sheer hypocrisy of their position on Ukraine and Palestine.

You didn't expose or prove him wrong on anything, you were pressed by a poster here on it and couldn't provide anything.

So as you can't argue his point you try to smear him with positions he doesn't have.

He literally took to social media to cry about negative coverage towards Russia.

That's like someone saying: "I'm not pro-Hitler, but he gets an awful hard time from biased historians".

[Hand of God]

Russia invaded Ukraine.

End of thread..

But no, let's talk about why and who 'started' it, mainly brought about by the US cause they are bad.. yes bad.

Russians are good it seems because them pesky westerners actually started it.

Ukraine is a Sovereign nation, has been invaded

Ireland in the north, still invaded both the same. Invaded by powerful nations but differing opinions for some reason

The village idiot along to add more misinformation into the fire.

We can all agree Russia invaded Ukraine and are very bad. Putin is a tyrant, should be in the Hague. There's nobody stating any different here so why pretend there is?

We are not allowed discuss the West here though. They are a major part of this conflict. Why are we not allowed discuss their role, their intentions and whether they are doing the best by the Ukranian people?

Very touchy, who has not said that the US is not bad? Rotten to the core.. can't express that enough.. there's no arguing

But feck me! Defending the reasons as to why another country has taken land, lives and displaced hundreds of thousands of people makes you look like a twat.

You're smearing again. I have never, ever defended the reasons why to take another country. Never.

I've emphatically condemned Russia, its illegal invasion, it's leader who belongs in the Hague, it's war crimes emphatically.

The issue I'm raising is the West also wanted this war, also fuelled and prolonged this war. Why can this not be discussed? Particularly when there is no dissent regarding condemnation of Russia?

Because the Brits and loyalists were responsible for the Troubles does that mean the PIRA get a free pass for everything they did or can we not give a critical commentary in its totalitarty?