Tyrone Club Football and Hurling

[PastThePost]

I see this North Tyrone Coaching programme is taking place, no disrespect to the clubs taking part in it, but surely it's a bit condescending to the clubs in north Tyrone that they're being told how to coach their teams, I know a lot of excellent coaches who are from these clubs, I can't see how the lack of knowledge is a problem?
Clubs need to be run properly, right people in the right places, regardless of who likes who or who is related to who, the ability of club committees to run their clubs properly and ensure they are getting the right people involved, isn't going to be sorted by a North Tyrone coaching programme...
Sensible people in the club committees is something the successful clubs tend to be able to get right...

It's not really condescending. All north Tyrone teams bar aghyaran and Owen rows play junior football. Something needs to change, if you watch some of those teams play it is evident that players are nowhere near the standard of decent sides both skills wise or conditioning. Coaching guys how to properly prepare and develop players is a forward step.

What is condescending is saying that none of these clubs have anybody sensible involved in their committee.

To make the argument that a team and club are struggling because of their committee rather than the fact half the lads playing are filling out jerseys in the wrong areas is just plain stupid.

I'm sure you've heard the term junior club mentality, it's a true fact, and not a geographical problem...
Hope you get reelected at the AGM next month btw

It does seem to be a geographical problem though. You'd think all these excellent coaches in north Tyrone that you speak of would maybe share their knowledge instead of keeping it to themselves. None of these team have 5 or more guys in any sort of shape to play football. Maybe start there. If you mentioned barbell to some of the urney lads they'd probably think it was a bit of cheese in red wax FFS.

Derrytresk, Brackaville, Brocagh, Killyman...a few cheese experts possibly in these 3B clubs, a fair dander to North Tyrone no?

It's extremely important who is steering your club, you need coaches involved who know how to condition a team, age specific training is delivered, to do this you have to move away from the mindset of getting all your mates to coach teams, this mentality is killing teams, not just in north Tyrone...
Strange how this programme has a lot of the sessions delivered by coaches from north Tyrone clubs, and some of them aren't even coaches...

Personalities are the biggest problem in most clubs, the ones who let it impact them to the detriment of their players and teams, are the ones with the junior club mentality, as stated, this is most definitely not a geographical issue.

[pintandgaaman]

I see this North Tyrone Coaching programme is taking place, no disrespect to the clubs taking part in it, but surely it's a bit condescending to the clubs in north Tyrone that they're being told how to coach their teams, I know a lot of excellent coaches who are from these clubs, I can't see how the lack of knowledge is a problem?
Clubs need to be run properly, right people in the right places, regardless of who likes who or who is related to who, the ability of club committees to run their clubs properly and ensure they are getting the right people involved, isn't going to be sorted by a North Tyrone coaching programme...
Sensible people in the club committees is something the successful clubs tend to be able to get right...

It's not really condescending. All north Tyrone teams bar aghyaran and Owen rows play junior football. Something needs to change, if you watch some of those teams play it is evident that players are nowhere near the standard of decent sides both skills wise or conditioning. Coaching guys how to properly prepare and develop players is a forward step.

What is condescending is saying that none of these clubs have anybody sensible involved in their committee.

To make the argument that a team and club are struggling because of their committee rather than the fact half the lads playing are filling out jerseys in the wrong areas is just plain stupid.

I'm sure you've heard the term junior club mentality, it's a true fact, and not a geographical problem...
Hope you get reelected at the AGM next month btw

It does seem to be a geographical problem though. You'd think all these excellent coaches in north Tyrone that you speak of would maybe share their knowledge instead of keeping it to themselves. None of these team have 5 or more guys in any sort of shape to play football. Maybe start there. If you mentioned barbell to some of the urney lads they'd probably think it was a bit of cheese in red wax FFS.

Derrytresk, Brackaville, Brocagh, Killyman...a few cheese experts possibly in these 3B clubs, a fair dander to North Tyrone no?

It's extremely important who is steering your club, you need coaches involved who know how to condition a team, age specific training is delivered, to do this you have to move away from the mindset of getting all your mates to coach teams, this mentality is killing teams, not just in north Tyrone...
Strange how this programme has a lot of the sessions delivered by coaches from north Tyrone clubs, and some of them aren't even coaches...

Personalities are the biggest problem in most clubs, the ones who let it impact them to the detriment of their players and teams, are the ones with the junior club mentality, as stated, this is most definitely not a geographical issue.

A lot of these clubs coaches aren't the issue, football is a numbers game and when they might have 10 landing to training no coach will be able to get a proper session in.
Clubs in 3b need to take the senior team out of focus and focus on youth for a number of years, only way to get proggression into the seniors then

[Bring back kellys inn]

I see this North Tyrone Coaching programme is taking place, no disrespect to the clubs taking part in it, but surely it's a bit condescending to the clubs in north Tyrone that they're being told how to coach their teams, I know a lot of excellent coaches who are from these clubs, I can't see how the lack of knowledge is a problem?
Clubs need to be run properly, right people in the right places, regardless of who likes who or who is related to who, the ability of club committees to run their clubs properly and ensure they are getting the right people involved, isn't going to be sorted by a North Tyrone coaching programme...
Sensible people in the club committees is something the successful clubs tend to be able to get right...

It's not really condescending. All north Tyrone teams bar aghyaran and Owen rows play junior football. Something needs to change, if you watch some of those teams play it is evident that players are nowhere near the standard of decent sides both skills wise or conditioning. Coaching guys how to properly prepare and develop players is a forward step.

What is condescending is saying that none of these clubs have anybody sensible involved in their committee.

To make the argument that a team and club are struggling because of their committee rather than the fact half the lads playing are filling out jerseys in the wrong areas is just plain stupid.

I'm sure you've heard the term junior club mentality, it's a true fact, and not a geographical problem...
Hope you get reelected at the AGM next month btw

It does seem to be a geographical problem though. You'd think all these excellent coaches in north Tyrone that you speak of would maybe share their knowledge instead of keeping it to themselves. None of these team have 5 or more guys in any sort of shape to play football. Maybe start there. If you mentioned barbell to some of the urney lads they'd probably think it was a bit of cheese in red wax FFS.

Derrytresk, Brackaville, Brocagh, Killyman...a few cheese experts possibly in these 3B clubs, a fair dander to North Tyrone no?

It's extremely important who is steering your club, you need coaches involved who know how to condition a team, age specific training is delivered, to do this you have to move away from the mindset of getting all your mates to coach teams, this mentality is killing teams, not just in north Tyrone...
Strange how this programme has a lot of the sessions delivered by coaches from north Tyrone clubs, and some of them aren't even coaches...

Personalities are the biggest problem in most clubs, the ones who let it impact them to the detriment of their players and teams, are the ones with the junior club mentality, as stated, this is most definitely not a geographical issue.

A lot of these clubs coaches aren't the issue, football is a numbers game and when they might have 10 landing to training no coach will be able to get a proper session in.
Clubs in 3b need to take the senior team out of focus and focus on youth for a number of years, only way to get proggression into the seniors then

A Fintona man like yourself would know this alright

[BeraghBadger]

Looking forward to tonight's replay. Think it will be a great game. Believe Carrickmore should take it and silence all the ones that thought they wouldn't get near it the year. Loughmacrory out of their depth here I think. Experience takes her!!!!

[Hughie McMahon]

Big day for everyone from Termonmaguirc within the board... There'll be nothing taught in the Dean Brian today with the excitement for tonight! Hopefully Conroy let's the lads play ball, we don't need any more howlers from the referees within the county. We're all due a good performance for the refs. Maybe Martins the man to do that?!?!

[pintandgaaman]

whos refereeing tonight?

[Hughie McMahon]

whos refereeing tonight?

Martin Conrory - Moy

[pintandgaaman]

whos refereeing tonight?

Martin Conrory - Moy

interesting decision cosidering the uproar about him the last day, he was easily influenced by the carmen managers in his ear on the sideline.

[Hughie McMahon]

whos refereeing tonight?

Martin Conrory - Moy

interesting decision cosidering the uproar about him the last day, he was easily influenced by the carmen managers in his ear on the sideline.

From I was told, Martin missed multiple breaches and when questioned on it, he wasn't taking anyone or their views on board. Be good to see how tonight works out with him in charge.

[pintandgaaman]

whos refereeing tonight?

Martin Conrory - Moy

interesting decision cosidering the uproar about him the last day, he was easily influenced by the carmen managers in his ear on the sideline.

From I was told, Martin missed multiple breaches and when questioned on it, he wasn't taking anyone or their views on board. Be good to see how tonight works out with him in charge.

whos the sideline officials tonight with him?

[PastThePost]

I see this North Tyrone Coaching programme is taking place, no disrespect to the clubs taking part in it, but surely it's a bit condescending to the clubs in north Tyrone that they're being told how to coach their teams, I know a lot of excellent coaches who are from these clubs, I can't see how the lack of knowledge is a problem?
Clubs need to be run properly, right people in the right places, regardless of who likes who or who is related to who, the ability of club committees to run their clubs properly and ensure they are getting the right people involved, isn't going to be sorted by a North Tyrone coaching programme...
Sensible people in the club committees is something the successful clubs tend to be able to get right...

It's not really condescending. All north Tyrone teams bar aghyaran and Owen rows play junior football. Something needs to change, if you watch some of those teams play it is evident that players are nowhere near the standard of decent sides both skills wise or conditioning. Coaching guys how to properly prepare and develop players is a forward step.

What is condescending is saying that none of these clubs have anybody sensible involved in their committee.

To make the argument that a team and club are struggling because of their committee rather than the fact half the lads playing are filling out jerseys in the wrong areas is just plain stupid.

I'm sure you've heard the term junior club mentality, it's a true fact, and not a geographical problem...
Hope you get reelected at the AGM next month btw

It does seem to be a geographical problem though. You'd think all these excellent coaches in north Tyrone that you speak of would maybe share their knowledge instead of keeping it to themselves. None of these team have 5 or more guys in any sort of shape to play football. Maybe start there. If you mentioned barbell to some of the urney lads they'd probably think it was a bit of cheese in red wax FFS.

Derrytresk, Brackaville, Brocagh, Killyman...a few cheese experts possibly in these 3B clubs, a fair dander to North Tyrone no?

It's extremely important who is steering your club, you need coaches involved who know how to condition a team, age specific training is delivered, to do this you have to move away from the mindset of getting all your mates to coach teams, this mentality is killing teams, not just in north Tyrone...
Strange how this programme has a lot of the sessions delivered by coaches from north Tyrone clubs, and some of them aren't even coaches...

Personalities are the biggest problem in most clubs, the ones who let it impact them to the detriment of their players and teams, are the ones with the junior club mentality, as stated, this is most definitely not a geographical issue.

A lot of these clubs coaches aren't the issue, football is a numbers game and when they might have 10 landing to training no coach will be able to get a proper session in.
Clubs in 3b need to take the senior team out of focus and focus on youth for a number of years, only way to get proggression into the seniors then

My point is a very similar one, no point in clubs paying a fortune for an outside manager, hoping he's going to perform a miracle, when the supply you have coming into your senior team from underage, is poorly coached and poorly prepared from a discipline perspective, to play adult football...
I'm referring to getting coaches in place at underage level who are competent, the family and friends approach is killing a lot of clubs, not specifically north Tyrone clubs.
Your chairman, coaching officer, or whoever it is that's appointing coaches to the underage teams, need to want the right people in these positions, if they just put their mates and relatives in then that's what I mean by junior club mentality...decisions need to be made with the best interest of the club in mind, getting it right at underage is a must if you want to progress as a club.

[alwaysbackthedraw]

I see this North Tyrone Coaching programme is taking place, no disrespect to the clubs taking part in it, but surely it's a bit condescending to the clubs in north Tyrone that they're being told how to coach their teams, I know a lot of excellent coaches who are from these clubs, I can't see how the lack of knowledge is a problem?
Clubs need to be run properly, right people in the right places, regardless of who likes who or who is related to who, the ability of club committees to run their clubs properly and ensure they are getting the right people involved, isn't going to be sorted by a North Tyrone coaching programme...
Sensible people in the club committees is something the successful clubs tend to be able to get right...

It's not really condescending. All north Tyrone teams bar aghyaran and Owen rows play junior football. Something needs to change, if you watch some of those teams play it is evident that players are nowhere near the standard of decent sides both skills wise or conditioning. Coaching guys how to properly prepare and develop players is a forward step.

What is condescending is saying that none of these clubs have anybody sensible involved in their committee.

To make the argument that a team and club are struggling because of their committee rather than the fact half the lads playing are filling out jerseys in the wrong areas is just plain stupid.

I'm sure you've heard the term junior club mentality, it's a true fact, and not a geographical problem...
Hope you get reelected at the AGM next month btw

It does seem to be a geographical problem though. You'd think all these excellent coaches in north Tyrone that you speak of would maybe share their knowledge instead of keeping it to themselves. None of these team have 5 or more guys in any sort of shape to play football. Maybe start there. If you mentioned barbell to some of the urney lads they'd probably think it was a bit of cheese in red wax FFS.

Derrytresk, Brackaville, Brocagh, Killyman...a few cheese experts possibly in these 3B clubs, a fair dander to North Tyrone no?

It's extremely important who is steering your club, you need coaches involved who know how to condition a team, age specific training is delivered, to do this you have to move away from the mindset of getting all your mates to coach teams, this mentality is killing teams, not just in north Tyrone...
Strange how this programme has a lot of the sessions delivered by coaches from north Tyrone clubs, and some of them aren't even coaches...

Personalities are the biggest problem in most clubs, the ones who let it impact them to the detriment of their players and teams, are the ones with the junior club mentality, as stated, this is most definitely not a geographical issue.

A lot of these clubs coaches aren't the issue, football is a numbers game and when they might have 10 landing to training no coach will be able to get a proper session in.
Clubs in 3b need to take the senior team out of focus and focus on youth for a number of years, only way to get proggression into the seniors then

My point is a very similar one, no point in clubs paying a fortune for an outside manager, hoping he's going to perform a miracle, when the supply you have coming into your senior team from underage, is poorly coached and poorly prepared from a discipline perspective, to play adult football...
I'm referring to getting coaches in place at underage level who are competent, the family and friends approach is killing a lot of clubs, not specifically north Tyrone clubs.
Your chairman, coaching officer, or whoever it is that's appointing coaches to the underage teams, need to want the right people in these positions, if they just put their mates and relatives in then that's what I mean by junior club mentality...decisions need to be made with the best interest of the club in mind, getting it right at underage is a must if you want to progress as a club.

Agreed majority of the clubs down there are mostly made up from the one family, if anyone outside shows an opinion a fall out will be caused, everything ends up taking a step backwards cause change is requested. Some clubs have broke this Fintona being one of them all though they are back in junior after a bad year. They are consistently now in grade 1 and 2 in every underage team now. No players now coming into a senior team for them has ever played grade 3 football this makes a huge difference as they have a winning mentality. Starts from the top this though chairman and coaches all focusing on the youth. There are a few other clubs in the county doing this also.

[Derrytresk Til I Die]

Too much talk about Fintona on this board for a team that went out first round of the intermediate championship.

[3_up_breach]

Too much talk about Fintona on this board for a team that went out first round of the intermediate championship.

And that will be playing junior football next year. Pint and GAA man needs to focus more on the GAA than the pints. clown.

[Keep er low through Ardboe]

I see this North Tyrone Coaching programme is taking place, no disrespect to the clubs taking part in it, but surely it's a bit condescending to the clubs in north Tyrone that they're being told how to coach their teams, I know a lot of excellent coaches who are from these clubs, I can't see how the lack of knowledge is a problem?
Clubs need to be run properly, right people in the right places, regardless of who likes who or who is related to who, the ability of club committees to run their clubs properly and ensure they are getting the right people involved, isn't going to be sorted by a North Tyrone coaching programme...
Sensible people in the club committees is something the successful clubs tend to be able to get right...

It's not really condescending. All north Tyrone teams bar aghyaran and Owen rows play junior football. Something needs to change, if you watch some of those teams play it is evident that players are nowhere near the standard of decent sides both skills wise or conditioning. Coaching guys how to properly prepare and develop players is a forward step.

What is condescending is saying that none of these clubs have anybody sensible involved in their committee.

To make the argument that a team and club are struggling because of their committee rather than the fact half the lads playing are filling out jerseys in the wrong areas is just plain stupid.

I'm sure you've heard the term junior club mentality, it's a true fact, and not a geographical problem...
Hope you get reelected at the AGM next month btw

It does seem to be a geographical problem though. You'd think all these excellent coaches in north Tyrone that you speak of would maybe share their knowledge instead of keeping it to themselves. None of these team have 5 or more guys in any sort of shape to play football. Maybe start there. If you mentioned barbell to some of the urney lads they'd probably think it was a bit of cheese in red wax FFS.

Derrytresk, Brackaville, Brocagh, Killyman...a few cheese experts possibly in these 3B clubs, a fair dander to North Tyrone no?

It's extremely important who is steering your club, you need coaches involved who know how to condition a team, age specific training is delivered, to do this you have to move away from the mindset of getting all your mates to coach teams, this mentality is killing teams, not just in north Tyrone...
Strange how this programme has a lot of the sessions delivered by coaches from north Tyrone clubs, and some of them aren't even coaches...

Personalities are the biggest problem in most clubs, the ones who let it impact them to the detriment of their players and teams, are the ones with the junior club mentality, as stated, this is most definitely not a geographical issue.

A lot of these clubs coaches aren't the issue, football is a numbers game and when they might have 10 landing to training no coach will be able to get a proper session in.
Clubs in 3b need to take the senior team out of focus and focus on youth for a number of years, only way to get proggression into the seniors then

My point is a very similar one, no point in clubs paying a fortune for an outside manager, hoping he's going to perform a miracle, when the supply you have coming into your senior team from underage, is poorly coached and poorly prepared from a discipline perspective, to play adult football...
I'm referring to getting coaches in place at underage level who are competent, the family and friends approach is killing a lot of clubs, not specifically north Tyrone clubs.
Your chairman, coaching officer, or whoever it is that's appointing coaches to the underage teams, need to want the right people in these positions, if they just put their mates and relatives in then that's what I mean by junior club mentality...decisions need to be made with the best interest of the club in mind, getting it right at underage is a must if you want to progress as a club.

Agreed majority of the clubs down there are mostly made up from the one family, if anyone outside shows an opinion a fall out will be caused, everything ends up taking a step backwards cause change is requested. Some clubs have broke this Fintona being one of them all though they are back in junior after a bad year. They are consistently now in grade 1 and 2 in every underage team now. No players now coming into a senior team for them has ever played grade 3 football this makes a huge difference as they have a winning mentality. Starts from the top this though chairman and coaches all focusing on the youth. There are a few other clubs in the county doing this also.

Would have to agree with you there as many Junior clubs are stuck in this cycle of mediocrity due to the lobbying of power through families in these clubs. Fintona is a great example of a Junior club who are attempting to break this cycle as they remind me of Loughmacrory in the early 2010s when they were relegated to Junior, as they began to buy into youth development aswell as restructuring within the club. Youth players for the Pearses such as the Coltons (Peter, Eugene and Oliver) and others like young Maguire and Goodman will prove to be the difference within the next 5/10 years as they will be pushing for the intermediate championship and potientally re enter the first tier.