Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[Mikhailov]

Plenty of positions up for grabs with the below maybe the closest to holding onto a place imo

1. Morgan
2. Devlin
3. Peter Teague
4. X
5. Mckernan
6. X
7. X
8. Kennedy
9. Conn
10. Daly
11. X
12. X
13. E Mcelholm
14.
15. D. Canavan

Think the under 21 side of Hampsey and mcgeary are coming towards an end. Seanie O'Donnell has came on well last few games with size/power needs to come on.
Several interesting players about the county in the middle sector but will be interesting do any perform in the club championship.

Roarty has made a great impact for Donegal. Could Joey Clarke or others come on to provide anything? Tho he is surrounded Mccole and mogan in the fb line

So, that equates to 9 certain starters. In my opinion, only 5, maximum 6 are certain starters.
How many of the above would be guaranteed a start in either of the Kerry or Donegal set ups - even in the match day 20.....

[NotedObserver]

Plenty of positions up for grabs with the below maybe the closest to holding onto a place imo

1. Morgan
2. Devlin
3. Peter Teague
4. X
5. Mckernan
6. X
7. X
8. Kennedy
9. Conn
10. Daly
11. X
12. X
13. E Mcelholm
14.
15. D. Canavan

Think the under 21 side of Hampsey and mcgeary are coming towards an end. Seanie O'Donnell has came on well last few games with size/power needs to come on.
Several interesting players about the county in the middle sector but will be interesting do any perform in the club championship.

Roarty has made a great impact for Donegal. Could Joey Clarke or others come on to provide anything? Tho he is surrounded Mccole and mogan in the fb line

So, that equates to 9 certain starters. In my opinion, only 5, maximum 6 are certain starters.
How many of the above would be guaranteed a start in either of the Kerry or Donegal set ups - even in the match day 20.....

Kennedy, Mckernan, Canavan? Physicality  is the main difference

[MC]

I really hate how slow the management is to accept they need to make changes. Happened all the time this year. Was clear at 1/2 time yesterday that Hampsey needed to be moved off Clifford and McCurry needed to be subbed. They however did the same as they did against Armagh. Waited for 10-15mins into the half after which Tyrone were facing a substantial deficit.

It would have been so easy to move Teague who held O'Shea to next to nothing onto Clifford. It was what, Hampseys 3rd start of the year? They took the risk of starting him on Clifford that's fair enough, but at half time they surely had to realise their choice was wrong. They even had Aidan Clarke on the bench to come on mark Ose if Teague was moved on to him.

Likewise McElholms best impact has been off the bench, all year they've tried to play 3 small forwards and all year it's been a disaster. Whether McCurry, Dara and Ruari v Armagh or McCurry, Dara and sparky against Mayo it hasn't worked and hamstrung our attack. What ends up happening is because of the 3v3 rule and because Matty Donnelly usually stays up then one of the 3 has to play as a CHF. McElholm and McCurry chasing shadows around their own defence and offering nothing on breaks or kick outs really holds Tyrone back. Or Dara who's the only one of them who is a tenacious tackler but wasting all his energy chasing defenders.

McElholms best performances have been off the bench as the game opens up and his pace can cause problems. There was a better kickout strategy at least yesterday but so much of the rest of the setup didn't make sense.

Was wondering were you were... waiting for Tyrone to lose to give management a slating. 

I'm living rent free in your head.

Just when Tyrone play knowing you're waiting at the buttons in hope of defeat and an opportunity to slate MO'R... and true to form 

Is that really slating management!
MOR seems a big improvement on the last 3 years but the above is just a couple of observations / comments.
Management did seem a little slow in responding to a few situations that required fire fighting - MOR even mentioned that they had left Hampsey hung out to dry a little. Seems fair in a discussion forum to ask how they could have responded - better, sooner, etc. - genuine question - be good to have a few insights how they could have responded.
Same with Mc Elholm - as good as he has been it's his first year in senior with a lot of S&C still required ahead of him - was it a good idea to start him - again a genuine question!
Appreciate Tyrone are short of a few players in some positions and also suffering with injuries but some of the questions are still worth raising.
MOR said that Kerry were better at penetrating Tyrone's defence but Tyrone struggled to penetrate Kerry - be good to have a better understanding of how and why that happens.
Haven't seen any stats for the game overall - be good if they were more readily available.

[reddgnhand]

Is Kennedy too valuable out the field to be kept in full forward? 

Tyrone felt like they needed an X Factor surprise tactic that never materialised.

Tyrone are not winning 3 all irelands in a row calm down.

Kennedy? What has he scored this year? Not mobile enough for me. Its not as if Tyrone are dominant in the air. Conor O'Neill can score, set up scores and can get up and down the pitch. He's the future.

[jb77]

I'd love to see Tyrone without Kennedy for a run a game of games some of you men would realise just what he does out there. Anyways I'll go back to my own managerless corner

[snowy2hunt]

Kennedy  wasn't there for Mayo Game in Omagh   and Tyrone got cleaned out in Midfield

[reddgnhand]

Kennedy  wasn't there for Mayo Game in Omagh   and Tyrone got cleaned out in Midfield

They got cleaned out in other games when he was playing.

[cjx]

I really hate how slow the management is to accept they need to make changes. Happened all the time this year. Was clear at 1/2 time yesterday that Hampsey needed to be moved off Clifford and McCurry needed to be subbed. They however did the same as they did against Armagh. Waited for 10-15mins into the half after which Tyrone were facing a substantial deficit.

It would have been so easy to move Teague who held O'Shea to next to nothing onto Clifford. It was what, Hampseys 3rd start of the year? They took the risk of starting him on Clifford that's fair enough, but at half time they surely had to realise their choice was wrong. They even had Aidan Clarke on the bench to come on mark Ose if Teague was moved on to him.

Likewise McElholms best impact has been off the bench, all year they've tried to play 3 small forwards and all year it's been a disaster. Whether McCurry, Dara and Ruari v Armagh or McCurry, Dara and sparky against Mayo it hasn't worked and hamstrung our attack. What ends up happening is because of the 3v3 rule and because Matty Donnelly usually stays up then one of the 3 has to play as a CHF. McElholm and McCurry chasing shadows around their own defence and offering nothing on breaks or kick outs really holds Tyrone back. Or Dara who's the only one of them who is a tenacious tackler but wasting all his energy chasing defenders.

McElholms best performances have been off the bench as the game opens up and his pace can cause problems. There was a better kickout strategy at least yesterday but so much of the rest of the setup didn't make sense.

Was wondering were you were... waiting for Tyrone to lose to give management a slating. 

I'm living rent free in your head.

Just when Tyrone play knowing you're waiting at the buttons in hope of defeat and an opportunity to slate MO'R... and true to form 

Is that really slating management!
MOR seems a big improvement on the last 3 years but the above is just a couple of observations / comments.
Management did seem a little slow in responding to a few situations that required fire fighting - MOR even mentioned that they had left Hampsey hung out to dry a little. Seems fair in a discussion forum to ask how they could have responded - better, sooner, etc. - genuine question - be good to have a few insights how they could have responded.
Same with Mc Elholm - as good as he has been it's his first year in senior with a lot of S&C still required ahead of him - was it a good idea to start him - again a genuine question!
Appreciate Tyrone are short of a few players in some positions and also suffering with injuries but some of the questions are still worth raising.
MOR said that Kerry were better at penetrating Tyrone's defence but Tyrone struggled to penetrate Kerry - be good to have a better understanding of how and why that happens.
Haven't seen any stats for the game overall - be good if they were more readily available.

MO'R 1970s style manager. Great guy but little of a tactician like Harte and Jimmy l think. Anyway all irrelevant til Tyrone find 2 big men for spine. 3/4 big retirements on now but potientially 50 young fellas to pick from. All well if better tactics and real strength and conditioning. Could we not coax Peter Donnelly back? Still doing a bit with Fianna?

[barelegs]

Kennedy  wasn't there for Mayo Game in Omagh   and Tyrone got cleaned out in Midfield

They got cleaned out in other games when he was playing.

Which other games did they get cleaned out? Mayo was by a long, long distance Tyrone's worst performance of the year. I don't think it's a coincidence it was the only game Kennedy didn't play in. And bearing in mind he's been playing with a groin/ hernia injury all year I don't think he's been near his best.

Very often it's not about winning clean ball but taking away a team's first choice. Take the Dublin game - the talk in the build up was around O'Cofaigh Byrne. He was made a none factor due to Kennedy's influence.

Even at the weekend Kerry didn't exactly dominate the Tyrone kick out - in fact it was the opposite in the first half. They just made much better use of the ball they did get. And I think the issues there come back to getting forwards that can hold their own physically and take a man on.

I'm on record somewhere on this forum as talking up Conor O'Neill as one for the near future but at the minute he'd be on the other wing to Daly. His aerial ball winning as we saw in the U20 final wasn't his strength but his kickpassing is something we could be doing with more off.

[trileacman]

I'd love to see Tyrone without Kennedy for a run a game of games some of you men would realise just what he does out there. Anyways I'll go back to my own managerless corner

Yeah as pointed out Kennedy missed the Mayo game and we got hammered.

[NotedObserver]

Kennedy  wasn't there for Mayo Game in Omagh   and Tyrone got cleaned out in Midfield

They got cleaned out in other games when he was playing.

Which other games did they get cleaned out? Mayo was by a long, long distance Tyrone's worst performance of the year. I don't think it's a coincidence it was the only game Kennedy didn't play in. And bearing in mind he's been playing with a groin/ hernia injury all year I don't think he's been near his best.

Very often it's not about winning clean ball but taking away a team's first choice. Take the Dublin game - the talk in the build up was around O'Cofaigh Byrne. He was made a none factor due to Kennedy's influence.

Even at the weekend Kerry didn't exactly dominate the Tyrone kick out - in fact it was the opposite in the first half. They just made much better use of the ball they did get. And I think the issues there come back to getting forwards that can hold their own physically and take a man on.

I'm on record somewhere on this forum as talking up Conor O'Neill as one for the near future but at the minute he'd be on the other wing to Daly. His aerial ball winning as we saw in the U20 final wasn't his strength but his kickpassing is something we could be doing with more off.

Oneill another year under 20

[trileacman]

I really hate how slow the management is to accept they need to make changes. Happened all the time this year. Was clear at 1/2 time yesterday that Hampsey needed to be moved off Clifford and McCurry needed to be subbed. They however did the same as they did against Armagh. Waited for 10-15mins into the half after which Tyrone were facing a substantial deficit.

It would have been so easy to move Teague who held O'Shea to next to nothing onto Clifford. It was what, Hampseys 3rd start of the year? They took the risk of starting him on Clifford that's fair enough, but at half time they surely had to realise their choice was wrong. They even had Aidan Clarke on the bench to come on mark Ose if Teague was moved on to him.

Likewise McElholms best impact has been off the bench, all year they've tried to play 3 small forwards and all year it's been a disaster. Whether McCurry, Dara and Ruari v Armagh or McCurry, Dara and sparky against Mayo it hasn't worked and hamstrung our attack. What ends up happening is because of the 3v3 rule and because Matty Donnelly usually stays up then one of the 3 has to play as a CHF. McElholm and McCurry chasing shadows around their own defence and offering nothing on breaks or kick outs really holds Tyrone back. Or Dara who's the only one of them who is a tenacious tackler but wasting all his energy chasing defenders.

McElholms best performances have been off the bench as the game opens up and his pace can cause problems. There was a better kickout strategy at least yesterday but so much of the rest of the setup didn't make sense.

Was wondering were you were... waiting for Tyrone to lose to give management a slating. 

I'm living rent free in your head.

Just when Tyrone play knowing you're waiting at the buttons in hope of defeat and an opportunity to slate MO'R... and true to form 

Is that really slating management!
MOR seems a big improvement on the last 3 years but the above is just a couple of observations / comments.
Management did seem a little slow in responding to a few situations that required fire fighting - MOR even mentioned that they had left Hampsey hung out to dry a little. Seems fair in a discussion forum to ask how they could have responded - better, sooner, etc. - genuine question - be good to have a few insights how they could have responded.
Same with Mc Elholm - as good as he has been it's his first year in senior with a lot of S&C still required ahead of him - was it a good idea to start him - again a genuine question!
Appreciate Tyrone are short of a few players in some positions and also suffering with injuries but some of the questions are still worth raising.
MOR said that Kerry were better at penetrating Tyrone's defence but Tyrone struggled to penetrate Kerry - be good to have a better understanding of how and why that happens.
Haven't seen any stats for the game overall - be good if they were more readily available.

Just ignore that lad. He has a hard-on for my posts.

[Truthsayer]

I really hate how slow the management is to accept they need to make changes. Happened all the time this year. Was clear at 1/2 time yesterday that Hampsey needed to be moved off Clifford and McCurry needed to be subbed. They however did the same as they did against Armagh. Waited for 10-15mins into the half after which Tyrone were facing a substantial deficit.

It would have been so easy to move Teague who held O'Shea to next to nothing onto Clifford. It was what, Hampseys 3rd start of the year? They took the risk of starting him on Clifford that's fair enough, but at half time they surely had to realise their choice was wrong. They even had Aidan Clarke on the bench to come on mark Ose if Teague was moved on to him.

Likewise McElholms best impact has been off the bench, all year they've tried to play 3 small forwards and all year it's been a disaster. Whether McCurry, Dara and Ruari v Armagh or McCurry, Dara and sparky against Mayo it hasn't worked and hamstrung our attack. What ends up happening is because of the 3v3 rule and because Matty Donnelly usually stays up then one of the 3 has to play as a CHF. McElholm and McCurry chasing shadows around their own defence and offering nothing on breaks or kick outs really holds Tyrone back. Or Dara who's the only one of them who is a tenacious tackler but wasting all his energy chasing defenders.

McElholms best performances have been off the bench as the game opens up and his pace can cause problems. There was a better kickout strategy at least yesterday but so much of the rest of the setup didn't make sense.

Was wondering were you were... waiting for Tyrone to lose to give management a slating. 

I'm living rent free in your head.

Just when Tyrone play knowing you're waiting at the buttons in hope of defeat and an opportunity to slate MO'R... and true to form 

Is that really slating management!
MOR seems a big improvement on the last 3 years but the above is just a couple of observations / comments.
Management did seem a little slow in responding to a few situations that required fire fighting - MOR even mentioned that they had left Hampsey hung out to dry a little. Seems fair in a discussion forum to ask how they could have responded - better, sooner, etc. - genuine question - be good to have a few insights how they could have responded.
Same with Mc Elholm - as good as he has been it's his first year in senior with a lot of S&C still required ahead of him - was it a good idea to start him - again a genuine question!
Appreciate Tyrone are short of a few players in some positions and also suffering with injuries but some of the questions are still worth raising.
MOR said that Kerry were better at penetrating Tyrone's defence but Tyrone struggled to penetrate Kerry - be good to have a better understanding of how and why that happens.
Haven't seen any stats for the game overall - be good if they were more readily available.

Just ignore that lad. He has a hard-on for my posts.

Don't think a hard-on be accurate. Strange you have sexualised this 🤔
More curious how you only do negative comments about O'Rourke and never comment when Tyrone won; and only slag off the new rules. That begrudging negativity definitely doesn't turn me on.. sorry 😊

[reddgnhand]

Kennedy  wasn't there for Mayo Game in Omagh   and Tyrone got cleaned out in Midfield

They got cleaned out in other games when he was playing.

Which other games did they get cleaned out? Mayo was by a long, long distance Tyrone's worst performance of the year. I don't think it's a coincidence it was the only game Kennedy didn't play in. And bearing in mind he's been playing with a groin/ hernia injury all year I don't think he's been near his best.

Very often it's not about winning clean ball but taking away a team's first choice. Take the Dublin game - the talk in the build up was around O'Cofaigh Byrne. He was made a none factor due to Kennedy's influence.

Even at the weekend Kerry didn't exactly dominate the Tyrone kick out - in fact it was the opposite in the first half. They just made much better use of the ball they did get. And I think the issues there come back to getting forwards that can hold their own physically and take a man on.

I'm on record somewhere on this forum as talking up Conor O'Neill as one for the near future but at the minute he'd be on the other wing to Daly. His aerial ball winning as we saw in the U20 final wasn't his strength but his kickpassing is something we could be doing with more off.

Armagh? I just don't get this love in for Tyrone's midfield. Compare the pair to Michael Langan or O'connor. Langan has scored in the region of 1 25, 26 from midfield. Not sure of the stats but what has been the return from Tyrone's midfield?

[trileacman]

Kennedy  wasn't there for Mayo Game in Omagh   and Tyrone got cleaned out in Midfield

They got cleaned out in other games when he was playing.

Which other games did they get cleaned out? Mayo was by a long, long distance Tyrone's worst performance of the year. I don't think it's a coincidence it was the only game Kennedy didn't play in. And bearing in mind he's been playing with a groin/ hernia injury all year I don't think he's been near his best.

Very often it's not about winning clean ball but taking away a team's first choice. Take the Dublin game - the talk in the build up was around O'Cofaigh Byrne. He was made a none factor due to Kennedy's influence.

Even at the weekend Kerry didn't exactly dominate the Tyrone kick out - in fact it was the opposite in the first half. They just made much better use of the ball they did get. And I think the issues there come back to getting forwards that can hold their own physically and take a man on.

I'm on record somewhere on this forum as talking up Conor O'Neill as one for the near future but at the minute he'd be on the other wing to Daly. His aerial ball winning as we saw in the U20 final wasn't his strength but his kickpassing is something we could be doing with more off.

Armagh? I just don't get this love in for Tyrone's midfield. Compare the pair to Michael Langan or O'connor. Langan has scored in the region of 1 25, 26 from midfield. Not sure of the stats but what has been the return from Tyrone's midfield?

That's the country's best 2 MFs at the minute. Bit like saying Daragh is useless because he doesn't score David Clifford numbers or influence matches like Michael Murphy.

Comparing Conn and Kennedy to the rest of the Div 1 midfields and they are equal to anything else that's out there, Menton, O'Cofaigh Byrne, Hugh McFadden, Grimley, Crealey, Gary Mohan, Mick McCarville, Flynn and Ruane. They're no worse/better than that anyone group. No-one is saying that our MF are the best 2 in the country but they're certainly not the reason we're losing matches.