Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[barelegs]

That performance might be the best thing that happens Tyrone this year. The psychology of this team is the biggest issue at the moment. You don't know what performance you'll get from week to week from effectively the same group of players. They play up or down depending on what they are expecting from the opposition. They knew they needed to lift it in Donegal last week and brought a high level performance. Thought Mayo were only coming to fulfil the fixture and didn't get near championship pace.

The one argument I don't get is we're a team in rebuild. Even the more inexperienced players have been in the squad and playing 2-3 years. Of those that came on or featured last night only O'Hare and Donaghy are relatively knew. Daly, Devlin, O'Donnell, Quinn have all featured heavily over the last 2 years.

Kickouts are a serious problem. Kennedy has been covering up a lot of issues and his absence last night underlines just how important he is. Have to agree with another poster there about the full forward line. Bradley, Darragh and McCurry are all too similar. Want to make the same runs. Ruairi likewise. Need other options. The likes of Lorcan McGarrity did well last year when given limited chances but has been injured and not featured this year offers some more physicality. McShane got chances and never really took them.

Back to the drawing board. It'll not be a gimme by any stretch against Cavan. If we turn up and play like we did last night we could be out on our ear very handy

[An Watcher]

Assuming Donegal do what they do and beat both cavan and mayo it really is all or nothing against cavan.
Beat them and tyrone win the group on head to head v donegal
Get beat by cavan and tyrone finish bottom based on head to head v mayo

[tiempo]

Made Aidan O'Shea look like a world beater, says it all

[Truthsayer]

Made Aidan O'Shea look like a world beater, says it all

O'Shea had a good game as he often does. He didn't look like a world beater tho..

[Million]

Made Aidan O'Shea look like a world beater, says it all

O'Shea had a good game as he often does. He didn't look like a world beater tho..

O'Shea was the best player on the park last night for me, really occupied and worked all the spaces in the half forward / midfield area - something none of our half forwards were able or have been able to do....

If Meyler is even half fit I think it's time he saw some time on the field. Brings an intensity in that area of the pitch that we don't currently have and badly miss.

[square_ball]

Potter on the development panel anyway. Looks a talent but judging by the likes of Shea Ohare there is a bit of S&C/experience required to bring upto standard

Seen O'Hare brought up a few times tonight.What game time has he had compared to some? The experienced players with years of s&c behind them were shocking.

O'Hare started and came on in several league games. He really didn't show anything in those games.

Compared to others?

O'Hare has played more for Ardboe than Tyrone in the last 3 months. Last featured for Tyrone in mid February in round 3 of the league v Mayo. He had a bad half last night but it was a tall order coming in to a team playing so badly and expecting to perform when he hasn't featured in the team.

[Grace Murphy]

Here what's the bleeding story wanted to get covered stand tickets during the week and none available? Then I see the tv and the stand half full??? What is that about

[tiempo]

Made Aidan O'Shea look like a world beater, says it all

O'Shea had a good game as he often does. He didn't look like a world beater tho..

O'Shea was the best player on the park last night for me, really occupied and worked all the spaces in the half forward / midfield area - something none of our half forwards were able or have been able to do....

If Meyler is even half fit I think it's time he saw some time on the field. Brings an intensity in that area of the pitch that we don't currently have and badly miss.

If he's half fit he should be nowhere near a Tyrone game, after an extended layoff he needs a good run of club games

[tiempo]

Made Aidan O'Shea look like a world beater, says it all

O'Shea had a good game as he often does. He didn't look like a world beater tho..

He blows hot and cold, but last night he had the run of the park, alarming to say the least

[Truthsayer]

Made Aidan O'Shea look like a world beater, says it all

O'Shea had a good game as he often does. He didn't look like a world beater tho..

He blows hot and cold, but last night he had the run of the park, alarming to say the least

I wouldn't get too alarmed. Mayo always liable to produce a performance like that but lack consistency. One of those nites. We're not as good as euphoria after beating Donegal suggested or as bad as pessimism after last nite. You go again bate Cavan. Is about improvement, winning All Ireland this year always a bit fanciful..
Ps: need to get out of Omagh. Most uninspiring venue for Tyrone.

[trileacman]

Malachy is a class manager... credit were due as there were a few here only too keen to lay into him after relegation and the Armagh game and him just took over. He'll do good.. great performance 👏

You were one of the hype merchants yourself after the Donegal game. No harm but this is the worst Mayo team in 15 years, it's fairly embarrassing to get steam-rolled by them in Omagh. In a half of football we scored 4 points.

[trileacman]

Potter on the development panel anyway. Looks a talent but judging by the likes of Shea Ohare there is a bit of S&C/experience required to bring upto standard

Seen O'Hare brought up a few times tonight.What game time has he had compared to some? The experienced players with years of s&c behind them were shocking.

O'Hare started and came on in several league games. He really didn't show anything in those games.

Compared to others?

O'Hare has played more for Ardboe than Tyrone in the last 3 months. Last featured for Tyrone in mid February in round 3 of the league v Mayo. He had a bad half last night but it was a tall order coming in to a team playing so badly and expecting to perform when he hasn't featured in the team.

From what I remember he featured in the early league games which we lost. When he lost his place we definitely improved towards the end of the league. As cameos go last night was fairly brutal.

[Grace Murphy]

Potter on the development panel anyway. Looks a talent but judging by the likes of Shea Ohare there is a bit of S&C/experience required to bring upto standard

Seen O'Hare brought up a few times tonight.What game time has he had compared to some? The experienced players with years of s&c behind them were shocking.

O'Hare started and came on in several league games. He really didn't show anything in those games.

Compared to others?

O'Hare has played more for Ardboe than Tyrone in the last 3 months. Last featured for Tyrone in mid February in round 3 of the league v Mayo. He had a bad half last night but it was a tall order coming in to a team playing so badly and expecting to perform when he hasn't featured in the team.

From what I remember he featured in the early league games which we lost. When he lost his place we definitely improved towards the end of the league. As cameos go last night was fairly brutal.

You can't blame the type of game when u come on and make some of the mistakes he made.he was standing waiting on a ball like it was reserve game. No doubt he will come back from this but call it what it is.

[trileacman]

Is it fair to say that the new rules are not suited to Tyrone?

Seems to have weakened Morgan's strengths with kick-outs. When he had multiple options, short and long, he was able to bang it cleverly to someone down the middle. Now that it's a lottery whether he hits it long due to the number of bodies outfield, his accuracy is on the decline. In addition, we seem to be reliant on one man (BK) to field the ball.

I don't think that's true. Teams that were good under the old rules last year (Armagh, Donegal and Galway) are still the top teams. They've good squads and are well managed.

Tyrone lack a clear kick-out strategy. If I have to watch another Tyrone player point into empty space whilst the ball flies over his head to an unmarked player I'll cry. We got lucky Patton was injured last week, he'd have pulled our press apart.

What kick-out strategy do you envision? What's the kick-out strategy of those other sides?

Armagh go man to man, it's not that hard to pick up your marker, follow him and challenge him for a kick out. Instead we do this stupid zonal thing that isn't working, a passing glance at our kick outs stats would tell you that. You don't see it on television but at a game our kick out challenge consists of 8-9 players pointing and shouting at each other instead of actually marking someone.

Likewise on our kick outs we do a lot of half-hearted running around trying to work a short one, at which point most of players are in a poor position on the 40m arc and Morgan just hoofs it long to a midfielder who has no-one there to win the breaking ball because they've all run away from MF. They need to realise once the short isn't on to turn and pack the middle and challenge for the break, not mooching round in circles like their playing musical chairs.

No harm but the talk of this being about mentality is BS, it's a failure of tactics and selection pure and simple. Donegal aren't Ulster champs because of Jimmy brought in a mentality, they're Ulster champs because he introduced a good tactical plan coupled with good players. Likewise Armagh are AI champs for the same reason. Mentality and pride are just buzzwords usually thrown out as explanations by people who don't understand tactics.

[marty34]

People are fickle.

One week Tyrone will be challenging for All-Ireland, next week, they're also rans.