Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[RedHand88]

As they'd have to pay for a ticket for the Antrim game there's nothing to be refunded.

Oh this has maybe changed. Few years ago the first round was included in the season ticket.

[Armagh18]

Is it a solicitors position  though  to tell someone (like in this case) to stop acting the dick?

I've heard of solicitors letters being sent to people  for  so many childish and nonsensical reasons.  And I thought, why didn't the  solicitor have a quiet word  with them,  instead of  a letter going out and people making dicks of themselves?

Maybe the legal folk here  could  explain

Well the solicitor will bill them regardless so doubt he cares. Plus maybe there is a "legal case" in a lot of those type of situations even if the person bringing it is being an arsehole. The law and common sense usually are 2 very different things.   

[David McKeown]

I agree entirely that it's embarrassing but with my legal head on there's a very strong argument that it's a clear breach of contract case. So I'd expect a quiet settlement.

How?


"In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture".

Exactly. In this case it doesn't. The capacity is above (by a couple of hundred) the number of season tickets. The email from the GAA admits that. The reason that season ticket holders aren't all being accommodated is because other groups, media, sponsors and county boards etc are.

Again I want to be very clear I am not condoning this in anyway. I am saying from the point of view of a purely contract law position I don't believe the GAA's terms and conditions protect them in this instance.

[David McKeown]

As they'd have to pay for a ticket for the Antrim game there's nothing to be refunded.

Oh this has maybe changed. Few years ago the first round was included in the season ticket.

The season ticket was heavily advertised as guaranteeing an opportunity to purchase a ticket for this game. That was one of the major advantages given that the price didn't represent a reduction in price over buying tickets individually. If that's removed the season ticket is inherently devalued.

[David McKeown]

On a related note. I assume that non season ticket holders won't be able to get a ticket to the match. Not sure what the arrangements are going to be there.

[David McKeown]

Is Tony Fearon one of the 8?

No he's already got his ticket and hotel for the 23rd

[AustinPowers]

Does a sweet shop refuse to sell sweets?

Money.

Well, yeah. But I thought there might  be a  line between "this might not  be your greatest idea" and "this is bloody insanity" before  pushing the big button under the  desk , to get the men in  white coats .

[David McKeown]

Does a sweet shop refuse to sell sweets?

Money.

Well, yeah. But I thought there might  be a  line between "this might not  be your greatest idea" and "this is bloody insanity" before  pushing the big button under the  desk , to get the men in  white coats .

"A lawyers job is not to parrot the client's instructions but to advise them appropriately" is the quote we were always told.

That said I imagine the advice would be. It's entirely up to you, legally you have a strong case but I really think you need to think this through.

If the client insisted then there's a duty there too. It's all about balancing and trying to be as objective as possible.

[JoG2]

I agree entirely that it's embarrassing but with my legal head on there's a very strong argument that it's a clear breach of contract case. So I'd expect a quiet settlement.

How?


"In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture".

Exactly. In this case it doesn't. The capacity is above (by a couple of hundred) the number of season tickets. The email from the GAA admits that. The reason that season ticket holders aren't all being accommodated is because other groups, media, sponsors and county boards etc are.

Again I want to be very clear I am not condoning this in anyway. I am saying from the point of view of a purely contract law position I don't believe the GAA's terms and conditions protect them in this instance.

These other groups promote, organise maintain our games, in this case probably slightly more deserving of a ticket than 8 people who, we'll let's be honest more than likely bought a season ticket this year to secure a final ticket. There would be no game without these groups

Legally, how do they have a strong case? They'll be laughed out the door as they should be

[armaghniac]

I agree entirely that it's embarrassing but with my legal head on there's a very strong argument that it's a clear breach of contract case. So I'd expect a quiet settlement.

How?


"In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture".

Exactly. In this case it doesn't. The capacity is above (by a couple of hundred) the number of season tickets. The email from the GAA admits that. The reason that season ticket holders aren't all being accommodated is because other groups, media, sponsors and county boards etc are.

Again I want to be very clear I am not condoning this in anyway. I am saying from the point of view of a purely contract law position I don't believe the GAA's terms and conditions protect them in this instance.

These other groups promote, organise maintain our games, in this case probably slightly more deserving of a ticket than 8 people who, we'll let's be honest more than likely bought a season ticket this year to secure a final ticket. There would be no game without these groups

Legally, how do they have a strong case? They'll be laughed out the door as they should be

The case would not be based on the need for these groups to get tickets. The case would be based on the GAA choosing to schedule the game in an excessively small ground. There will be plenty of examples where this was not done, currently Louth play in Inniskeen, Kildare played in Carlow, Armagh played in Clones.

[David McKeown]

I agree entirely that it's embarrassing but with my legal head on there's a very strong argument that it's a clear breach of contract case. So I'd expect a quiet settlement.

How?


"In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture".

Exactly. In this case it doesn't. The capacity is above (by a couple of hundred) the number of season tickets. The email from the GAA admits that. The reason that season ticket holders aren't all being accommodated is because other groups, media, sponsors and county boards etc are.

Again I want to be very clear I am not condoning this in anyway. I am saying from the point of view of a purely contract law position I don't believe the GAA's terms and conditions protect them in this instance.

These other groups promote, organise maintain our games, in this case probably slightly more deserving of a ticket than 8 people who, we'll let's be honest more than likely bought a season ticket this year to secure a final ticket. There would be no game without these groups

Legally, how do they have a strong case? They'll be laughed out the door as they should be

Legally. If a person contracts with the GAA for certain services namely tickets to certain matches and a guaranteed right to purchase further tickets for other specified matches and the GAA then unilaterally alters that contract then a person is entitled to sue for either specific performance (which I don't think they've done I could be wrong) or damages for breach of contract.

I'm actually struggling to see a defence to it.

As for sponsors being more deserving than supporters I'm not sure I agree.

Other groups yes I do.

[David McKeown]

I agree entirely that it's embarrassing but with my legal head on there's a very strong argument that it's a clear breach of contract case. So I'd expect a quiet settlement.

How?


"In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture".

Exactly. In this case it doesn't. The capacity is above (by a couple of hundred) the number of season tickets. The email from the GAA admits that. The reason that season ticket holders aren't all being accommodated is because other groups, media, sponsors and county boards etc are.

Again I want to be very clear I am not condoning this in anyway. I am saying from the point of view of a purely contract law position I don't believe the GAA's terms and conditions protect them in this instance.

These other groups promote, organise maintain our games, in this case probably slightly more deserving of a ticket than 8 people who, we'll let's be honest more than likely bought a season ticket this year to secure a final ticket. There would be no game without these groups

Legally, how do they have a strong case? They'll be laughed out the door as they should be

The case would not be based on the need for these groups to get tickets. The case would be based on the GAA choosing to schedule the game in an excessively small ground. There will be plenty of examples where this was not done, currently Louth play in Inniskeen, Kildare played in Carlow, Armagh played in Clones.

The case would be based solely on the terms of the contract which I think is poorly written and in a scenario like this offers little protection to the GAA.

I do hope common sense prevails mind.

I would also think a quiet settlement would be the most likely option.

[trueblue1234]

I can not believe there would actually be Armagh supporters who would consider this as an option. I honestly struggle to believe it. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that this is just idle bar chat rather than factual.

[JoG2]

I agree entirely that it's embarrassing but with my legal head on there's a very strong argument that it's a clear breach of contract case. So I'd expect a quiet settlement.

How?


"In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture".

Exactly. In this case it doesn't. The capacity is above (by a couple of hundred) the number of season tickets. The email from the GAA admits that. The reason that season ticket holders aren't all being accommodated is because other groups, media, sponsors and county boards etc are.

Again I want to be very clear I am not condoning this in anyway. I am saying from the point of view of a purely contract law position I don't believe the GAA's terms and conditions protect them in this instance.

These other groups promote, organise maintain our games, in this case probably slightly more deserving of a ticket than 8 people who, we'll let's be honest more than likely bought a season ticket this year to secure a final ticket. There would be no game without these groups

Legally, how do they have a strong case? They'll be laughed out the door as they should be

Legally. If a person contracts with the GAA for certain services namely tickets to certain matches and a guaranteed right to purchase further tickets for other specified matches and the GAA then unilaterally alters that contract then a person is entitled to sue for either specific performance (which I don't think they've done I could be wrong) or damages for breach of contract.

I'm actually struggling to see a defence to it.

As for sponsors being more deserving than supporters I'm not sure I agree.

Other groups yes I do.

It is literally in the terms and conditions as posted previously

"In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture".

[David McKeown]

I agree entirely that it's embarrassing but with my legal head on there's a very strong argument that it's a clear breach of contract case. So I'd expect a quiet settlement.

How?


"In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture".

Exactly. In this case it doesn't. The capacity is above (by a couple of hundred) the number of season tickets. The email from the GAA admits that. The reason that season ticket holders aren't all being accommodated is because other groups, media, sponsors and county boards etc are.

Again I want to be very clear I am not condoning this in anyway. I am saying from the point of view of a purely contract law position I don't believe the GAA's terms and conditions protect them in this instance.

These other groups promote, organise maintain our games, in this case probably slightly more deserving of a ticket than 8 people who, we'll let's be honest more than likely bought a season ticket this year to secure a final ticket. There would be no game without these groups

Legally, how do they have a strong case? They'll be laughed out the door as they should be

Legally. If a person contracts with the GAA for certain services namely tickets to certain matches and a guaranteed right to purchase further tickets for other specified matches and the GAA then unilaterally alters that contract then a person is entitled to sue for either specific performance (which I don't think they've done I could be wrong) or damages for breach of contract.

I'm actually struggling to see a defence to it.

As for sponsors being more deserving than supporters I'm not sure I agree.

Other groups yes I do.

It is literally in the terms and conditions as posted previously

"In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture".

Yes. That would be a defence if the number of season tickets had exceeded stadium capacity but it's been accepted that they don't.