NFL Division 1 2025

[JPO]

Most good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably 

[Ethan Tremblay]

The game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
We continued to go to games because we were invested in it, almost bound by it as our fathers and to their fathers had been before us. For most, the spectacle on show simply wasn't entertaining or in any way enjoyable (apart from the final 5 mins in most games). Something had to change and that is why Jim and co were appointed. Their remit was to simply make the game exciting and enjoyable again.The key change required was limiting the blanket, hence the 3 up rule. Not perfect but not sure what else would have worked better?
Tap and go definitely speeds up the play, a good initiative in my opinion.
Kick out arc encourages contests again and I do think there has been more high fielding on show this year so far. 2 point rule is good but not for a free.
Handing the ball back is too difficult to enforce. Would be happy enough if the player just had to place the ball on the ground after a free was awarded.
50m advance for dissent is too punitive, 30 is plenty although I would concede that the 50 m advance has seriously reduced the verbals.
One man throw in - gimmicky, adds nothing. Everyone will have their own interpretation and opinion but I really do think what we've seen so far has achieved the original objective, ie, to make the game a better spectacle.

Armagh won 11 of Dublins 14 kick outs in the first half at the weekend, how does that improve our game? After conceding  score a team should be able to restart how they see fit not just a contested ball to engage armchair fans with no dog in the fight.

The 2pt is a red herring too, seen a few games now where teams are just playing the ball around the arc and trying to get a 2 pt score. Really no need.

I've said before the dissent is stupid, book the player and he's walking a fine line for the rest of the game. No need for handing the ball back, it's not go games. Set the ball down and get into position.

Something I can't get my head around here:

"After conceding  score a team should be able to restart how they see fit".

Why? Why oh why oh why?

Why should a team gain a guaranteed possession after conceding?

You can ask Wicklow/Longford that question when they meet Dublin next month.

Whatever rules are introduced, managers are going to exploit them whatever way they can. 

 

[imtommygunn]

Most good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably

It may not be the game for you...

[JoG2]

I wonder is it possible for the national media to share a balanced view on the new rules and current state of the game than mainly play cheerleaders and shout down any player,Managers that gives constructive criticism?

It's clear in such a short and rushed time too many rule changes was brought in at one time.

every league Sunday show so far has been critical of some of the rules, the confusion around them, the number of them, the implementation and at times lack of transparency / updates.

FRC surely take feedback from all corners in their weekly meetings? It's their game too

Jim Gavin was on the radio this morning. He quoted stats about average kickout times, which were something like 21-22 seconds. Yet Ethan Rafferty was penalised on Sunday after 17 seconds which is far below the average.

Some of the decision on Sat night were a bit left field indeed

We were all waiting for the ref on Sunday in Ballyshannon to blow for one, didn't happen

[thewobbler]

The game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
We continued to go to games because we were invested in it, almost bound by it as our fathers and to their fathers had been before us. For most, the spectacle on show simply wasn't entertaining or in any way enjoyable (apart from the final 5 mins in most games). Something had to change and that is why Jim and co were appointed. Their remit was to simply make the game exciting and enjoyable again.The key change required was limiting the blanket, hence the 3 up rule. Not perfect but not sure what else would have worked better?
Tap and go definitely speeds up the play, a good initiative in my opinion.
Kick out arc encourages contests again and I do think there has been more high fielding on show this year so far. 2 point rule is good but not for a free.
Handing the ball back is too difficult to enforce. Would be happy enough if the player just had to place the ball on the ground after a free was awarded.
50m advance for dissent is too punitive, 30 is plenty although I would concede that the 50 m advance has seriously reduced the verbals.
One man throw in - gimmicky, adds nothing. Everyone will have their own interpretation and opinion but I really do think what we've seen so far has achieved the original objective, ie, to make the game a better spectacle.

Armagh won 11 of Dublins 14 kick outs in the first half at the weekend, how does that improve our game? After conceding  score a team should be able to restart how they see fit not just a contested ball to engage armchair fans with no dog in the fight.

The 2pt is a red herring too, seen a few games now where teams are just playing the ball around the arc and trying to get a 2 pt score. Really no need.

I've said before the dissent is stupid, book the player and he's walking a fine line for the rest of the game. No need for handing the ball back, it's not go games. Set the ball down and get into position.

Something I can't get my head around here:

"After conceding  score a team should be able to restart how they see fit".

Why? Why oh why oh why?

Why should a team gain a guaranteed possession after conceding?

You can ask Wicklow/Longford that question when they meet Dublin next month.

Whatever rules are introduced, managers are going to exploit them whatever way they can. 

 

Ah ffs.

If there's one thing the new rules won't be responsible for its mismatches involving Dublin.

[Truthsayer]

The game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
We continued to go to games because we were invested in it, almost bound by it as our fathers and to their fathers had been before us. For most, the spectacle on show simply wasn't entertaining or in any way enjoyable (apart from the final 5 mins in most games). Something had to change and that is why Jim and co were appointed. Their remit was to simply make the game exciting and enjoyable again.The key change required was limiting the blanket, hence the 3 up rule. Not perfect but not sure what else would have worked better?
Tap and go definitely speeds up the play, a good initiative in my opinion.
Kick out arc encourages contests again and I do think there has been more high fielding on show this year so far. 2 point rule is good but not for a free.
Handing the ball back is too difficult to enforce. Would be happy enough if the player just had to place the ball on the ground after a free was awarded.
50m advance for dissent is too punitive, 30 is plenty although I would concede that the 50 m advance has seriously reduced the verbals.
One man throw in - gimmicky, adds nothing. Everyone will have their own interpretation and opinion but I really do think what we've seen so far has achieved the original objective, ie, to make the game a better spectacle.

Armagh won 11 of Dublins 14 kick outs in the first half at the weekend, how does that improve our game? After conceding  score a team should be able to restart how they see fit not just a contested ball to engage armchair fans with no dog in the fight.

The 2pt is a red herring too, seen a few games now where teams are just playing the ball around the arc and trying to get a 2 pt score. Really no need.

I've said before the dissent is stupid, book the player and he's walking a fine line for the rest of the game. No need for handing the ball back, it's not go games. Set the ball down and get into position.

Something I can't get my head around here:

"After conceding  score a team should be able to restart how they see fit".

Why? Why oh why oh why?

Why should a team gain a guaranteed possession after conceding?

You can ask Wicklow/Longford that question when they meet Dublin next month.

Whatever rules are introduced, managers are going to exploit them whatever way they can. 

 

Exactly why these teams shouldn't be playing the Dubs in the championship. Never understood why county football championship isn't divided up like hurling or club championships. Would Clare play Wicklow in hurling championship or Limerick play Kerry?

[JoG2]

Most good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably

It may not be the game for you...

... Moaning hoor should stay in the house and watch soccer, cricket, rugby league, hockey, netball, gridiron etc

[Silver hill]

Most good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably

It may not be the game for you...

Under the new rules there's been more scores, more contests, more physicality, more turnovers and a new phenomenon in several games whereby a 10point plus lead had been hauled back. The only boring bit that I've seen was the lateral fist passing across the arc that I think could be sorted by a complete ban on passing to the keeper.
I watched Derry/donegal Armagh/dublin, Galway Tyrone and Kerry mayo; all entertaining and contested right to the finish. Some people are very hard to please.

[Ethan Tremblay]

The game has been in serious decline since 2011 when mcguinness was appointed Donegal manager and achieved success with his system in 2012. As with anything that's successful, plagiarism followed as rival managers tried to emulate it in other counties. McGuinness technically wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply exploited the rules of the game to suit his style of play. Unfortunately, this trickled down to club football, even as far down as u8s with some clubs.
We continued to go to games because we were invested in it, almost bound by it as our fathers and to their fathers had been before us. For most, the spectacle on show simply wasn't entertaining or in any way enjoyable (apart from the final 5 mins in most games). Something had to change and that is why Jim and co were appointed. Their remit was to simply make the game exciting and enjoyable again.The key change required was limiting the blanket, hence the 3 up rule. Not perfect but not sure what else would have worked better?
Tap and go definitely speeds up the play, a good initiative in my opinion.
Kick out arc encourages contests again and I do think there has been more high fielding on show this year so far. 2 point rule is good but not for a free.
Handing the ball back is too difficult to enforce. Would be happy enough if the player just had to place the ball on the ground after a free was awarded.
50m advance for dissent is too punitive, 30 is plenty although I would concede that the 50 m advance has seriously reduced the verbals.
One man throw in - gimmicky, adds nothing. Everyone will have their own interpretation and opinion but I really do think what we've seen so far has achieved the original objective, ie, to make the game a better spectacle.

Armagh won 11 of Dublins 14 kick outs in the first half at the weekend, how does that improve our game? After conceding  score a team should be able to restart how they see fit not just a contested ball to engage armchair fans with no dog in the fight.

The 2pt is a red herring too, seen a few games now where teams are just playing the ball around the arc and trying to get a 2 pt score. Really no need.

I've said before the dissent is stupid, book the player and he's walking a fine line for the rest of the game. No need for handing the ball back, it's not go games. Set the ball down and get into position.

Something I can't get my head around here:

"After conceding  score a team should be able to restart how they see fit".

Why? Why oh why oh why?

Why should a team gain a guaranteed possession after conceding?

You can ask Wicklow/Longford that question when they meet Dublin next month.

Whatever rules are introduced, managers are going to exploit them whatever way they can. 

 

Ah ffs.

If there's one thing the new rules won't be responsible for its mismatches involving Dublin.

Certainly not, but the fact remains there are mismatch's.  I'm only highlighting where the kickout rule is going to really fail teams down the line. 

If the rules are going to be discussed, they may as well be discussed in the broadest sense. 

[Saffron_sam20]

Most good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably

Do they? The sports I watch most other than GAA would be soccer basketball and bit of rugby and NFL. All them sports have something in common. The team in possession of the ball trying to build some form of attack and the other team a system to stop it. Not too many 1v1 contests in them sports if it can be avoided. It's all about control but yet we want our teams in GAA to not have control

[thewobbler]

Most good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably

Do they? The sports I watch most other than GAA would be soccer basketball and bit of rugby and NFL. All them sports have something in common. The team in possession of the ball trying to build some form of attack and the other team a system to stop it. Not too many 1v1 contests in them sports if it can be avoided. It's all about control but yet we want our teams in GAA to not have control

Soccer removed the back pass rule 30 years ago.

Basketball has had back court rules and shot clocks since the 1950s.

Rugby split in two a hundred years ago because half of them thought it demented that you could keep ball forever without going forward. The other half have spent 100 years since devising and testing rules to ensure that "up your jumper" rugby is considered an occasional tactic rather than a game plan.

NFL has 4 downs to move 10 yards. Or else the opposition gets it back.

Look, I don't think you're looking at this logically. The fundamental problem that FRC are trying to solve is that the balance of possession vs territory in Gaelic Football had become extraordinarily tilted towards possession. And the end product was a borefest. So the one new rule they cannot change is this kickout rule. For the minute they facilitate endless periods of skill-less possession, is the minute they wave the white flag.   

[Rossfan]

Agree with Wobbler.
Why should you get an advantage for conceding a score???
From the 1880s to the the 20 tens most kick outs were boomed as far as possible down the field.

[screenexile]

The new rules aren't perfect by any means but the games are better and there's more jeopardy in them.

All the chat from managers needs to be tuned out. Brennan/McGuinness/McGeeney/Tally and these lads are used to their teams controlling games with possession and tactics and pundits lauding the managers for it when the game was a snoozefest and very few players stood out.

If we can get the rules sorted properly it'll be players who decide matches rather than managers and the veneration these lads have will disappear and rightly so.

There's way more chance of upsets under the new rules which is exactly what managers don't want!

[JoG2]

Most good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably

Do they? The sports I watch most other than GAA would be soccer basketball and bit of rugby and NFL. All them sports have something in common. The team in possession of the ball trying to build some form of attack and the other team a system to stop it. Not too many 1v1 contests in them sports if it can be avoided. It's all about control but yet we want our teams in GAA to not have control

Look, I don't think you're looking at this logically. The fundamental problem that FRC are trying to solve is that the balance of possession vs territory in Gaelic Football had become extraordinarily tilted towards possession. And the end product was a borefest. So the one new rule they cannot change is this kickout rule. For the minute they facilitate endless periods of skill-less possession, is the minute they wave the white flag. 

Reverting back to the kickouts before these rule changes won't facilitate endless possession and certainly won't guarantee possession to the team kicking the ball out.
A team can still push up as they always have and with the keeper unable to receive the ball and play as an additional defender, then the incentive is to push up and try to turn the ball over right up the pitch.
As it stands now, it's eenie meenie miney mo re kickouts against the wind as ball is going into an area of the pitch packed with footballers, and luck over skill takes over

It's prob the only rule I've a real issue with. The games are far more enjoyable to watch

[Blowitupref]

The new rules aren't perfect by any means but the games are better and there's more jeopardy in them.

All the chat from managers needs to be tuned out. Brennan/McGuinness/McGeeney/Tally and these lads are used to their teams controlling games with possession and tactics and pundits lauding the managers for it when the game was a snoozefest and very few players stood out.

If we can get the rules sorted properly it'll be players who decide matches rather than managers and the veneration these lads have will disappear and rightly so.

There's way more chance of upsets under the new rules which is exactly what managers don't want!

The league over the last number of years always had big jeopardy with promotion and relegation. The new rules bringing more jeopardy I'm not so sure.