Premier League 2024-2025

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quit yo jibbajabba

Quote from: Look-Up! on February 24, 2025, 07:22:19 PMThe way things are going at Utd they'll soon have to take Rashford back just to organise some lunches for the staff.

Early contender for post of the year 🤣🤣

Wildweasel74

Utd wasted so much money on shit players, poor managers. U could total it to half billion including wages. But it's the common man the board see as the problem. Utd run like a proper shit show.

Brendan

What's even crazier is alot of United fans I know are defending Ratcliffe and saying he's being forced to make these tough decisions  :o

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Brendan on February 24, 2025, 08:49:18 PMWhat's even crazier is alot of United fans I know are defending Ratcliffe and saying he's being forced to make these tough decisions  :o

Not sure he's forced but if he's brought in an audit team to see were the waste I'd he should be starting with the players. Players contracts going forward for any club needs to be seriously looked at.

For the 5th biggest club in the world they are in a mess
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Bogman

Tomorrow is not guaranteed

From the Bunker

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 24, 2025, 08:39:27 PMUtd wasted so much money on shit players, poor managers. U could total it to half billion including wages. But it's the common man the board see as the problem. Utd run like a proper shit show.

I don't think Utd have had poor Managers. I think all Managers since Ferguson are good Managers - the system at Man U seems toxic.

SaffronSports

Quote from: From the Bunker on February 24, 2025, 11:55:13 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 24, 2025, 08:39:27 PMUtd wasted so much money on shit players, poor managers. U could total it to half billion including wages. But it's the common man the board see as the problem. Utd run like a proper shit show.

I don't think Utd have had poor Managers. I think all Managers since Ferguson are good Managers - the system at Man U seems toxic.

Agree with this. Similar to Rangers, these clubs keep hiring new managers and history repeats itself. It's the club not the managers.

Look-Up!

Mourinho good manager but bad fit for the club. Still believe OGS poor manager for that level. But ultimately board are to blame.
 
 Poorly run club with seemingly bottomless pockets and a great manager in AF made them look invincible. Everything since has been reactive with no forward planning. Went with Moyes, panicked and went for a name. Then went with PL name in Jose. Thought they were back and threw stupid money at Sanchez as a two fingered move at City. When that went tits up went with interim past player, he got a massive bounce and they changed tack again and gave him the gig. Left him there too long, hired a consultant for forward planning, sacked him immediately after hiring ETH. Were getting his P45 ready but did a 180 again with a bumper new deal and war chest after lucky run to Wembley. A chicken would make more rash decisions.

But in their defence the club seems cursed. Looked like they finally found their man, moved heaven and earth to get him, but so far he has shown himself to be a right stubborn c**t who sends his players out unprepared for an unsuitable system and then talks shit about them after to the media. Now there's more leaks from the boardroom that they're looking at other hires as a replacement. Pure chaos.

They posted accounts lately, saying INEOS pumped in money to keep them right and all should look better in the summer when some contracts are gotten rid of. But a massive bit of what they owe is to other clubs for players they got and didn't pay for. Don't think they explained when or how that is to be paid. 

thewobbler

"The club is cursed".

No. Not even close. Since FFP was revealed, United's transfer and wages "strategy" meant only one of two things could happen: 1. they'd stumble upon a couple of world class highly motivated players, who would raise standards, and the club kick on from there, or 2. they'd slowly crumble from within, beset with unmotivated players earning ridiculous contracts.


Look-Up!

Quote from: thewobbler on February 25, 2025, 08:35:54 AM"The club is cursed".

No. Not even close. Since FFP was revealed, United's transfer and wages "strategy" meant only one of two things could happen: 1. they'd stumble upon a couple of world class highly motivated players, who would raise standards, and the club kick on from there, or 2. they'd slowly crumble from within, beset with unmotivated players earning ridiculous contracts.


Hard to disagree with anything there but surely something should be a hit spending so much money. Even by accident. Everyone they sign their stock tumbles.

Milltown Row2

Its the 80's all over again, though heading to Old Trafford in the 80's was better craic I'd say than what the current supporters are served up
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Look-Up!

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2025, 08:49:33 AMIts the 80's all over again, though heading to Old Trafford in the 80's was better craic I'd say than what the current supporters are served up
Yeah they still were a big draw and the Cup was a huge thing then.

Mate of mine massive Utd fan. Son, about 8 or so, he was trying to get him into following them with him. But started showing an interest in Liverpool and when my mate protested, he stopped him dead, and said Daddy no way I'm watching that shit. As he said himself he couldn't really blame him.

The brand is taking a huge hit at the moment.

statto

Quote from: Look-Up! on February 25, 2025, 08:26:06 AMMourinho good manager but bad fit for the club. Still believe OGS poor manager for that level. But ultimately board are to blame.
 
 Poorly run club with seemingly bottomless pockets and a great manager in AF made them look invincible. Everything since has been reactive with no forward planning. Went with Moyes, panicked and went for a name. Then went with PL name in Jose. Thought they were back and threw stupid money at Sanchez as a two fingered move at City. When that went tits up went with interim past player, he got a massive bounce and they changed tack again and gave him the gig. Left him there too long, hired a consultant for forward planning, sacked him immediately after hiring ETH. Were getting his P45 ready but did a 180 again with a bumper new deal and war chest after lucky run to Wembley. A chicken would make more rash decisions.

But in their defence the club seems cursed. Looked like they finally found their man, moved heaven and earth to get him, but so far he has shown himself to be a right stubborn c**t who sends his players out unprepared for an unsuitable system and then talks shit about them after to the media. Now there's more leaks from the boardroom that they're looking at other hires as a replacement. Pure chaos.

They posted accounts lately, saying INEOS pumped in money to keep them right and all should look better in the summer when some contracts are gotten rid of. But a massive bit of what they owe is to other clubs for players they got and didn't pay for. Don't think they explained when or how that is to be paid. 
To be fair to OGS he had them unbeaten away for a year and got some type of tune out of Martial and Rashford.

Amorim 3-4-3 is getting a bit of stick, but he's going to need a few windows to get the players in for that while trying to get the players he wants to keep used to the system. 

I would be critical of him playing Bruno as one of the 2 in midfield though, he should be advanced off the striker making things happen and allowed to play with freedom.   

Look-Up!

Quote from: statto on February 25, 2025, 09:26:54 AM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 25, 2025, 08:26:06 AMMourinho good manager but bad fit for the club. Still believe OGS poor manager for that level. But ultimately board are to blame.
 
 Poorly run club with seemingly bottomless pockets and a great manager in AF made them look invincible. Everything since has been reactive with no forward planning. Went with Moyes, panicked and went for a name. Then went with PL name in Jose. Thought they were back and threw stupid money at Sanchez as a two fingered move at City. When that went tits up went with interim past player, he got a massive bounce and they changed tack again and gave him the gig. Left him there too long, hired a consultant for forward planning, sacked him immediately after hiring ETH. Were getting his P45 ready but did a 180 again with a bumper new deal and war chest after lucky run to Wembley. A chicken would make more rash decisions.

But in their defence the club seems cursed. Looked like they finally found their man, moved heaven and earth to get him, but so far he has shown himself to be a right stubborn c**t who sends his players out unprepared for an unsuitable system and then talks shit about them after to the media. Now there's more leaks from the boardroom that they're looking at other hires as a replacement. Pure chaos.

They posted accounts lately, saying INEOS pumped in money to keep them right and all should look better in the summer when some contracts are gotten rid of. But a massive bit of what they owe is to other clubs for players they got and didn't pay for. Don't think they explained when or how that is to be paid. 
To be fair to OGS he had them unbeaten away for a year and got some type of tune out of Martial and Rashford.

Amorim 3-4-3 is getting a bit of stick, but he's going to need a few windows to get the players in for that while trying to get the players he wants to keep used to the system. 

I would be critical of him playing Bruno as one of the 2 in midfield though, he should be advanced off the striker making things happen and allowed to play with freedom.   
Fair enough.

But if Amorim wants to see out a few windows he'll need the bulk of current players, even the ones he doesn't want, onside first.

tiempo

Quote from: Look-Up! on February 24, 2025, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: tiempo on February 24, 2025, 05:36:05 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 24, 2025, 05:32:54 PMLiked the cut of Amorim's jib at the start. Confident, well spoken, on point with the problems that existed and not afraid to give a player the odd dig in the media to whip them in line. But at some stage you have to work with players and protect them. If your only MO is to constantly call them out in press conferences you will lose the dressing room. Has the look of a rent-a-quote about him.

Definitely see similarities to him and Jose although very early to be looking for the sack. Actually reminds me a bit of OGS. The Norwegian liked to suck up to the likes of Keane and Neville rather than protecting his players in the media. This guy seems a bit too cosy with reporters in the press room also.

Latest cuts on the lunches look incredibly petty and self serving. The club is a billion in the red. Wasn't a bit of lunch to the staff got them to this point and cutting it down to soup and a crust of bread will not save the day. Either the books are worse than could ever be imagined or this guy is completely off his rocker.

Two things that crossed my mind in recent days

1. Severe cutbacks as planning for no European campaign next year, stands to reason to some extent but agree with what you said, wasn't feeding staff that caused the issue or removing it that will save the day

2. Could Man Utd be heading the way of Leeds Utd? Unthinkable but so was Leicester winning the league
Cutting food though Tiempo? Unless someone was on the take over-ordering stuff and moving it out the back door, it's a fairly mean thing to do.

Man Utd still have a strong brand and can generate money but they can't be far off defaulting on debt with current wages if they're out of Europe. Relegation destroyed Leeds but back then you needed 40 points to stay up. Utd can count themselves very lucky this is not still the case.

I heard some Utd supporters actually say relegation would be good for them because it would allow them to reset like other clubs have  :o. It would be catastrophic for them. Bunch of way overpaid flops with no relegation clauses in their contracts and no hope of moving most of them!!

I agree, cutting the food is beyond petty, he's clearly an asset stripping merchant