Teachers get it handy!

[marty34]

Was chatting to a teacher about this recently. Too much paperwork in teaching they said. Not about the money.

Writing down what you did every month in the finest detail. I sked what was that all about. They said in case young Johnny comes back in 20 years and sues saying he never got taught X, Y or Z, the school can say no, here the monhly report when he was in P. 6 and he was taught X, Y and Z. Bit mad.

Another thing they said was new stuff was constantly being added but nothing was being taken off. Expected to cover everyrhing, and more, inside the same time frame.

Is teaching still a popular career or are young ones doing other courses instead of teaching?

[Armagh18]

Was chatting to a teacher about this recently. Too much paperwork in teaching they said. Not about the money.

Writing down what you did every month in the finest detail. I sked what was that all about. They said in case young Johnny comes back in 20 years and sues saying he never got taught X, Y or Z, the school can say no, here the monhly report when he was in P. 6 and he was taught X, Y and Z. Bit mad.

Another thing they said was new stuff was constantly being added but nothing was being taken off. Expected to cover everyrhing, and more, inside the same time frame.

Is teaching still a popular career or are young ones doing other courses instead of teaching?

Last I heard St Marys was still very hard to get into, but as for jobs most go to England/Oz or Middle East when qualified.

[statto]

Here we go again .

Turned down 5.5% .

Probably looking 3 months off now in the summer

BBC News - NI teachers reject pay offer of 5.5%  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg45py7wdrzo

I hear the Unions made real fools of themselves recommending a bad deal and the teachers threw it back at them. The teachers I know want a workload agreement, but their Unions keep waffling on about how great they are getting them a pay deal.

The missus rejected it. A few quid extra per month after tax or no inspections! Easy decision for her.

I see the management have sent out a letter threatening them!

Is a 5.5% increase not way beyond what most people would have got?

[Tony Baloney]

Here we go again .

Turned down 5.5% .

Probably looking 3 months off now in the summer

BBC News - NI teachers reject pay offer of 5.5%  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg45py7wdrzo

I hear the Unions made real fools of themselves recommending a bad deal and the teachers threw it back at them. The teachers I know want a workload agreement, but their Unions keep waffling on about how great they are getting them a pay deal.

The missus rejected it. A few quid extra per month after tax or no inspections! Easy decision for her.

I see the management have sent out a letter threatening them!

Is a 5.5% increase not way beyond what most people would have got?

Dunno. The wife works a 3 day week so after tax it wouldn't be a massive amount and certainly she wouldn't see it as sufficient to vote to come off ASOS. If you're an experienced teacher on a couple of points then it wouldn't be a bad boost.

[statto]

Here we go again .

Turned down 5.5% .

Probably looking 3 months off now in the summer

BBC News - NI teachers reject pay offer of 5.5%  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg45py7wdrzo

I hear the Unions made real fools of themselves recommending a bad deal and the teachers threw it back at them. The teachers I know want a workload agreement, but their Unions keep waffling on about how great they are getting them a pay deal.

The missus rejected it. A few quid extra per month after tax or no inspections! Easy decision for her.

I see the management have sent out a letter threatening them!

Is a 5.5% increase not way beyond what most people would have got?

Dunno. The wife works a 3 day week so after tax it wouldn't be a massive amount and certainly she wouldn't see it as sufficient to vote to come off ASOS. If you're an experienced teacher on a couple of points then it wouldn't be a bad boost.

Is there any pay rise that get that not a song and dance about? Work in private sector we got 2.2% last year not ideal but just get on with it.The parent teacher meetings having to be during the day is the one that gets me.In any other job there would be an expectation that at a certain level that you would "go over and above" due to business needs. But all parents have to arrange times off their own workplace to accommodate.

[Champion The Wonder Horse]

Here we go again .

Turned down 5.5% .

Probably looking 3 months off now in the summer

BBC News - NI teachers reject pay offer of 5.5%  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg45py7wdrzo

I hear the Unions made real fools of themselves recommending a bad deal and the teachers threw it back at them. The teachers I know want a workload agreement, but their Unions keep waffling on about how great they are getting them a pay deal.

That's about the height of it. 5.5% is generous. Pay isn't the issue; workload is. Inspections are a red herring; you're lucky to get one of them every decade. Unions totally misread the room.

The principals' union NAHT voted to accept it. Massively out of touch with their staff.

Still a fair few work shy folk will be standing (or more likely sitting) in front of kids tomorrow.

[Sportacus]

Here we go again .

Turned down 5.5% .

Probably looking 3 months off now in the summer

BBC News - NI teachers reject pay offer of 5.5%  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg45py7wdrzo

I hear the Unions made real fools of themselves recommending a bad deal and the teachers threw it back at them. The teachers I know want a workload agreement, but their Unions keep waffling on about how great they are getting them a pay deal.

That's about the height of it. 5.5% is generous. Pay isn't the issue; workload is. Inspections are a red herring; you're lucky to get one of them every decade. Unions totally misread the room.

The principals' union NAHT voted to accept it. Massively out of touch with their staff.

Still a fair few work shy folk will be standing (or more likely sitting) in front of kids tomorrow.

EA, DE and CCMS dreaming up bureaucracy for teachers.
DAERA dreaming up bureaucracy for farmers. 
Doctors and nurses drowning in a system with layer upon layer of red tape.

Get a wee job in the civil service, a wee job for life.

[Milltown Row2]

Wife would have voted because there's no way you can reduce the workload

[ONeill]

I voted cos I could work less for the same money.

[Milltown Row2]

I voted cos I could work less for the same money.

That would seem the way in that school, you'd have loved my old school 

[tbrick18]

My Mrs voted no as there was something in the offer about not being able to take future strike action - or something along those lines, I was only half listening.
Someone said there that principals are out of touch with teachers - that I'd agree with. Meetings after meetings for what seems like no reason after school hours. 
They also seem to take every parent's word over a teacher's word - making the teacher's feels like they are somehow neglecting children and have to provide evidence that they are not. Hence all these individual learning plans, monthly planners etc. There's more time doing needless paperwork than doing actual teaching and a lot of it is to cover your ass in case someone makes a complaint about their wee angel not being treated right. 9/10 times the wee angel is a wee sh*t and the parents aren't far behind, but they have the power.  Gone are the days when a principal would back the teacher it seems.

My Mrs is teaching a long time, covers Special Ed Needs kids in school on top of her teaching job for an extra £25/week (ish) on a management point. She earns less than a 25 year old mechanic I know. 
Say what you want about them rejecting pay rises, they don't get paid enough in general for the job they do, just like nurses etc.

But, the holidays are class. And you couldn't listen to them on a night out.

[trueblue1234]

What's the average salary for a teacher say 5 years into their career? I know there's points system but roughly what would you expect to be earning after 5 years teaching?

[Kidder81]

What's the average salary for a teacher say 5 years into their career? I know there's points system but roughly what would you expect to be earning after 5 years teaching?

Would say about £40k ?

[Mario]

What's the average salary for a teacher say 5 years into their career? I know there's points system but roughly what would you expect to be earning after 5 years teaching?

Would say about £40k ?

Not a bad salary at 27

[tbrick18]

What's the average salary for a teacher say 5 years into their career? I know there's points system but roughly what would you expect to be earning after 5 years teaching?

Would say about £40k ?

Not a bad salary at 27

What would a teacher with 25yrs teaching be earning?
There's a very narrow band there if a 27 year old is earning 40K I know that much.