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trueblue1234

Quote from: Seamus on December 20, 2024, 04:43:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2024, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on December 19, 2024, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2024, 09:52:05 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on December 19, 2024, 01:02:37 AMThis might give you a better understanding of just how weak the safety testing is. I bet you it'll change your confidence level that these people should be trusted without question.

Do vaccines cause autism

Dr Stanley Plotkin deposition w Lawyer Aaron Siri
His book, Vaccines is the standard reference on vaccines so he's the main man

I've not disputed that vaccines have an affect on many people, ffs aspirin can affect many people in a negative way, but all I'm saying is that there are multiple factors and the throw out headline shite that vaccines cause autism is balls, kids in the womb that are subjected to smoke, alcohol, drugs and so on are issues which need looked at, pesticides, types of foods and a mad range of stuff.. None of it is just one thing, even your Dr says that..

But it suits the non vaccers to throw up those headlines 

Post of the year.

I'm also not necessarily convinced there is any increase in Autism over the last few decades. It's possible we're just better at diagnosing it now. There were always people classified as a bit odd, or not very smart. Chances are a lot of these people were on the Autism spectrum.

Look at how the world has changed - processed foods are the norm. Peticides are the norm. Water treatment is the norm. Air Pollution is the norm. Vaccinations are the norm. Drug use is growing all the time. New variant viruses evolving. Any combination of factors could impact an increase in cases of Autism/Cancer/Dementia/pick your condition.....
Bat-sh*t crazy experts out there who "know" because they read it on the internet then use the internet to perpetuate the nonsense.
I don't know if people have stopped thinking for themselves or if they have been overwhelmed by they amount of content they see online, but certainly some really narrow minded thinking these days.

One think I have learned over the years is that someone trained in a field will know more about that field that someone who isn't trained in it. Simple concept, but there are so many medical experts out there with no training who know that the medical professionals are wrong when it comes to vaccines etc.

Dunning Kruger effect, arrogant, narcissistic ignorance, call it what you like.

And its the same people over and over again popping up with the conspiracy theory shite, no matter what the topic.

Do a thread on the moon landing. Or 9/11. Guess who is going to be lining up accusing everyone else of being sheep?

Some post coming for a person who considers Fauci, Gates. Obama, The Clintons and Biden, to name but a few, Gods, even once said than Johnson was a great President.  Loved Song Bird McCain (what a traitor) and cheers on the worst of the RINOs. Believes everything dished out by mainstream media and pseudo science without an ounce of critical thinking. You are in great company here, no wonder you login for your daily pat on the back. What a cesspool of disinformation you immerse yourself in. I haven't turned on a tv for close to 30 years, the same garbage is on here save for a few informed posters. I only visit once or twice a year hoping to see a change for the better. You and you buddies badly need to take a break from this place, otherwise you lot are in for some rude awakening.

Reported for disinformation.
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Seamus

Quote from: RedHand88 on December 18, 2024, 09:24:01 PMOh sweet Jesus we are on to the vaccines cause Autism nonsense.

Seamus I mean this with nothing but compassion - this is not healthy, stop being taken in by this nonsense and go out and live your life. You will find the people behind the curtain usually have another agenda - subscribers, a book etc. There is always something in it for them.

Behind the curtain my ass, what about the thousand of moral doctors worldwide who lost their licenses and their livelihood for having the courage to speak the truth?  Fauci made more millions during the Plandemic than any other time in his career. He turned the killer Remdesivir drug into a "COVID" protocol, a drug that failed all clinical trials. A know killer then.  Same goes for Gates and Big Pharma. Always follow the money
"I wish I could inspire the same confidence in the truth which is so readily accorded to lies".

Seamus

#20222
Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 20, 2024, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: Seamus on December 20, 2024, 04:43:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2024, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on December 19, 2024, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2024, 09:52:05 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on December 19, 2024, 01:02:37 AMThis might give you a better understanding of just how weak the safety testing is. I bet you it'll change your confidence level that these people should be trusted without question.

Do vaccines cause autism

Dr Stanley Plotkin deposition w Lawyer Aaron Siri
His book, Vaccines is the standard reference on vaccines so he's the main man

I've not disputed that vaccines have an affect on many people, ffs aspirin can affect many people in a negative way, but all I'm saying is that there are multiple factors and the throw out headline shite that vaccines cause autism is balls, kids in the womb that are subjected to smoke, alcohol, drugs and so on are issues which need looked at, pesticides, types of foods and a mad range of stuff.. None of it is just one thing, even your Dr says that..

But it suits the non vaccers to throw up those headlines 

Post of the year.

I'm also not necessarily convinced there is any increase in Autism over the last few decades. It's possible we're just better at diagnosing it now. There were always people classified as a bit odd, or not very smart. Chances are a lot of these people were on the Autism spectrum.

Look at how the world has changed - processed foods are the norm. Peticides are the norm. Water treatment is the norm. Air Pollution is the norm. Vaccinations are the norm. Drug use is growing all the time. New variant viruses evolving. Any combination of factors could impact an increase in cases of Autism/Cancer/Dementia/pick your condition.....
Bat-sh*t crazy experts out there who "know" because they read it on the internet then use the internet to perpetuate the nonsense.
I don't know if people have stopped thinking for themselves or if they have been overwhelmed by they amount of content they see online, but certainly some really narrow minded thinking these days.

One think I have learned over the years is that someone trained in a field will know more about that field that someone who isn't trained in it. Simple concept, but there are so many medical experts out there with no training who know that the medical professionals are wrong when it comes to vaccines etc.

Dunning Kruger effect, arrogant, narcissistic ignorance, call it what you like.

And its the same people over and over again popping up with the conspiracy theory shite, no matter what the topic.

Do a thread on the moon landing. Or 9/11. Guess who is going to be lining up accusing everyone else of being sheep?

Some post coming for a person who considers Fauci, Gates. Obama, The Clintons and Biden, to name but a few, Gods, even once said than Johnson was a great President.  Loved Song Bird McCain (what a traitor) and cheers on the worst of the RINOs. Believes everything dished out by mainstream media and pseudo science without an ounce of critical thinking. You are in great company here, no wonder you login for your daily pat on the back. What a cesspool of disinformation you immerse yourself in. I haven't turned on a tv for close to 30 years, the same garbage is on here save for a few informed posters. I only visit once or twice a year hoping to see a change for the better. You and you buddies badly need to take a break from this place, otherwise you lot are in for some rude awakening.

Reported for disinformation.

Coward

At a time, do you understand anything?  Twice this year only, three time if you include a few weeks break during the crazy 911 responses. and only a few days left in the year. I do get some laugh out of you lot.
"I wish I could inspire the same confidence in the truth which is so readily accorded to lies".

Last Man

Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 20, 2024, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: Last Man on December 20, 2024, 09:26:51 AMKeep the "Precautionary principle" as your default and never take lightly the fact that you are making potentially life changing decisions for the little humans in your care. In that sense you can always say I looked at all the available information and did the best I could.
There in lies the problem. There is no shortage of information for anything at the minute. However not all information is weighted equally. It's verging on impossible to come to conclusive decisions on most things these days given the level of disinformation.
Yes you listen to as many of the arguments for and against as you can and make a judgement call based on the most compelling indications. What better can you do as a lay person trying to rear a family?

armaghniac

Quote from: Last Man on December 20, 2024, 05:08:24 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 20, 2024, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: Last Man on December 20, 2024, 09:26:51 AMKeep the "Precautionary principle" as your default and never take lightly the fact that you are making potentially life changing decisions for the little humans in your care. In that sense you can always say I looked at all the available information and did the best I could.
There in lies the problem. There is no shortage of information for anything at the minute. However not all information is weighted equally. It's verging on impossible to come to conclusive decisions on most things these days given the level of disinformation.
Yes you listen to as many of the arguments for and against as you can and make a judgement call based on the most compelling indications. What better can you do as a lay person trying to rear a family?

You listen to the arguments, but you give an appropriate low weight to randomers versus large scientific projects when assessing the information.
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David McKeown

Quote from: theskull1 on December 19, 2024, 01:02:37 AMThis might give you a better understanding of just how weak the safety testing is. I bet you it'll change your confidence level that these people should be trusted without question.

Do vaccines cause autism

Dr Stanley Plotkin deposition w Lawyer Aaron Siri
His book, Vaccines is the standard reference on vaccines so he's the main man

I think the doctor does a great job in explaining how. There is no definitive evidence that vaccines don't cause autism is a far cry from the suggestion that vaccines may cause autism. The spin the website wishes to put on that deposition isn't clever or well concealed.
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Seamus

Quote from: armaghniac on December 20, 2024, 05:28:29 PM
Quote from: Last Man on December 20, 2024, 05:08:24 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 20, 2024, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: Last Man on December 20, 2024, 09:26:51 AMKeep the "Precautionary principle" as your default and never take lightly the fact that you are making potentially life changing decisions for the little humans in your care. In that sense you can always say I looked at all the available information and did the best I could.
There in lies the problem. There is no shortage of information for anything at the minute. However not all information is weighted equally. It's verging on impossible to come to conclusive decisions on most things these days given the level of disinformation.
Yes you listen to as many of the arguments for and against as you can and make a judgement call based on the most compelling indications. What better can you do as a lay person trying to rear a family?

You listen to the arguments, but you give an appropriate low weight to randomers versus large scientific projects when assessing the information.

There are no debates allowed on mainstream and censorship is rampant. Are you happy with that?  Should the people get the opportunity to hear all sides equally? Do you believe that Operation Mockingbird is just another conspiracy theory?
"I wish I could inspire the same confidence in the truth which is so readily accorded to lies".

Seamus

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Quote from: David McKeown on December 20, 2024, 05:34:30 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on December 19, 2024, 01:02:37 AMThis might give you a better understanding of just how weak the safety testing is. I bet you it'll change your confidence level that these people should be trusted without question.

Do vaccines cause autism

Dr Stanley Plotkin deposition w Lawyer Aaron Siri
His book, Vaccines is the standard reference on vaccines so he's the main man

I think the doctor does a great job in explaining how. There is no definitive evidence that vaccines don't cause autism is a far cry from the suggestion that vaccines may cause autism. The spin the website wishes to put on that deposition isn't clever or well concealed.

Ask the parents of autistic kids, you will get you answer fast in most cases. I know several who 100% know that the vaccines were the cause.

Then again I would expect that you will not get the same response. If you work in the conventional medical field even less so.  I'm there to help them, they know that so they are very open with me. They have a feeling of guilt which is very understandable and in most cases keep it to themselves. My goal is to blow this wide open and I'm very confident in achieving that.
"I wish I could inspire the same confidence in the truth which is so readily accorded to lies".

David McKeown

Quote from: Seamus on December 20, 2024, 05:41:59 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on December 20, 2024, 05:34:30 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on December 19, 2024, 01:02:37 AMThis might give you a better understanding of just how weak the safety testing is. I bet you it'll change your confidence level that these people should be trusted without question.

Do vaccines cause autism

Dr Stanley Plotkin deposition w Lawyer Aaron Siri
His book, Vaccines is the standard reference on vaccines so he's the main man

I think the doctor does a great job in explaining how. There is no definitive evidence that vaccines don't cause autism is a far cry from the suggestion that vaccines may cause autism. The spin the website wishes to put on that deposition isn't clever or well concealed.

Ask the parents of autistic kids, you will get you answer fast in most cases. I know several who 100% know that the vaccines were the cause.

As one of those parents I'm certainly no expert but I've seen nothing to support that.
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From the Bunker

Something is causing the surge, whether it is the food, the pollution in the air or what ever. I have a mate who claims it's from children born from caesarean section who don't get the car wash of antibodies coming through the womb before birth.

The surge can be down in part to better diagnosis. Either way, there is a crisis coming down the line.

AustinPowers

Quote from: From the Bunker on December 20, 2024, 06:23:02 PMSomething is causing the surge, whether it is the food, the pollution in the air or what ever. I have a mate who claims it's from children born from caesarean section who don't get the car wash of antibodies coming through the womb before birth.

The surge can be down in part to better diagnosis. Either way, there is a crisis coming down the line.

I don't know about the  autism link , but I do think there  is something to be said for a natural birth and all the  good things passed  from the mother  that that entails.

From the Bunker

Quote from: AustinPowers on December 20, 2024, 06:55:54 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 20, 2024, 06:23:02 PMSomething is causing the surge, whether it is the food, the pollution in the air or what ever. I have a mate who claims it's from children born from caesarean section who don't get the car wash of antibodies coming through the womb before birth.

The surge can be down in part to better diagnosis. Either way, there is a crisis coming down the line.

Yes, there is a lot to be said for Natural Birth through the Womb and for Breastfeeding there after. Never under rate the natural process.

I don't know about the  autism link , but I do think there  is something to be said for a natural birth and all the  good things passed  from the mother  that that entails.

Kidder81

Let's face it a lot of it is people gaming the system for DLA

David McKeown

The services for it in NI are shambolic. If you are undergoing Autism assessment and for example ADHD is suspected then your Autism referral and supports are paused until the ADHD assessment takes place. Currently that can take up to 5 years in the Belfast Trust as referrals are not triaged and are dealt with on a first come first served basis.
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 20, 2024, 06:23:02 PMSomething is causing the surge, whether it is the food, the pollution in the air or what ever. I have a mate who claims it's from children born from caesarean section who don't get the car wash of antibodies coming through the womb before birth.

The surge can be down in part to better diagnosis. Either way, there is a crisis coming down the line.

There's a real possibility that it's genetic too.
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Seamus

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Quote from: David McKeown on December 20, 2024, 06:08:09 PM
Quote from: Seamus on December 20, 2024, 05:41:59 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on December 20, 2024, 05:34:30 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on December 19, 2024, 01:02:37 AMThis might give you a better understanding of just how weak the safety testing is. I bet you it'll change your confidence level that these people should be trusted without question.

Do vaccines cause autism

Dr Stanley Plotkin deposition w Lawyer Aaron Siri
His book, Vaccines is the standard reference on vaccines so he's the main man

I think the doctor does a great job in explaining how. There is no definitive evidence that vaccines don't cause autism is a far cry from the suggestion that vaccines may cause autism. The spin the website wishes to put on that deposition isn't clever or well concealed.

Ask the parents of autistic kids, you will get you answer fast in most cases. I know several who 100% know that the vaccines were the cause.

As one of those parents I'm certainly no expert but I've seen nothing to support that.

Was you kid born with autism or born healthy with autism setting in at a later time? Remember not all cases are caused by the childhood jabs but those jabs have a great deal to do with the upsurge. Also many parents do not want to make the connection for a number of reasons which are obvious and I'm not going to get into that here.

Again I'll state, I know several kids who developed autism after been born healthy. Just one example of many: A neighbor, who's father played League of Ireland soccer at a high standard and is also a talented musician was born healthy. The kid was beginning to display his father's talents. A day after one of the childhood jabs he started showing signs of autism which ended up very high on the spectrum scale. This is a very common occurrence. He is now in his mid to late twenties. Playing God is a very dangerous thing. Big Pharma thinks they are better than God. Giving chemicals to babies is a mortal sin, sometimes without the consent of the parents. It took some brainwashing to achieve that part of Rockefeller Science.
"I wish I could inspire the same confidence in the truth which is so readily accorded to lies".