China Coronavirus

[Milltown Row2]

In May 2021, Kirsch posted an article online claiming that COVID-19 vaccines affect fertility, while also underplaying the vaccines' ability to prevent illness and death, both statements criticized by fact checkers as being inaccurate and misleading.

In September 2021, speaking at an FDA meeting and identifying himself as CETF's executive director, Kirsch claimed that the vaccines "kill twice as many as they save"; the FDA responded that Kirsch had misinterpreted data and that there was no evidence his statement was true. Reuters assessed the claim as false. In March, 2023 Kirsch reported that he'd offered a woman sitting next to him on a first class Delta flight $100,000 to remove her mask for the entire flight. She refused.


In October 2021, Kirsch founded the anti-vaccine group Vaccine Safety Research Foundation (VSRF), which created ads depicting deaths the group attributed to vaccines. Foundation advisors include Robert Malone, Peter McCullough, and Stephanie Seneff. Before this, in June 2021, Kirsch had appeared with Malone on the Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying podcast, which according to MIT Technical Review "introduced Kirsch to followers of the 'intellectual dark web'" and allowed him to access a "large and receptive audience to his claims about a fluvoxamine conspiracy"

He seems on the level

Your famous Fake Fact Checkers again. Steve Kirsch is proven correct in everything. Some stupid lady in First Class, 100k to her is probably like $10 to the regular Joe.

Go and take up his offer if you really believe what you posted. Again it's obvious you did not click on any of the links.  In the New Year I may up the anti, 10M or more in BTC or another blue chip crypto for anyone who can prove that childhood vaccines are not the cause of the major upsurge in autism. If I do so, I will introduce it through a team of real experts. Surveys of the unvaccinated V the vaxed etc. Those surveys are already in existence.  So start calling your "experts".

The wallet address will be visible for all to see. One year to challenge. Possible upfront fee to participate, can't have all those idiots introducing total nonsense like Fact Check sites etc.  I want this known far and wide.

How does a person get autism? Purely through vaccines are can you be born with it?

Why ask, is that all you know? Vaccines are not the only cause but the major one.

So let me get this straight, the substances in the vaccines you can be born with it?

You're crazier than I thought, what a question.

I'm trying to make the connection that autism is greater now because of vaccines. So what's generated from a vaccine that's different from someone who's never been vaccinated that has autism? What's the link? 

[theskull1]

This might give you a better understanding of just how weak the safety testing is. I bet you it'll change your confidence level that these people should be trusted without question.

Do vaccines cause autism

Dr Stanley Plotkin deposition w Lawyer Aaron Siri
His book, Vaccines is the standard reference on vaccines so he's the main man

[Puckoon]

Recently watched a show called The Kings of Tupelo on Netflix. Guy had a good life, wife and kids - decent career as an Elvis impersonator in Tupelo, MS.

Anyways, he got quite spun out about a conspiracy theory involving body parts for sale on the black market - and decided it was rife in Tupelo.

He lost everything, and was even arrested on suspicion of mailing Ricin to Obama and the Mississippi Senator.

At the end of the show, he realized the error of his ways with swallowing gallons of bullshit and conspiracies based on tenuous links of zero substance. He declared himself conspiracy theory free and I thought - well that's a nice end to the story.

Next scene, 8 months later - he's exiled himself from his family again and is back on the conspiracy wagon.

The thing about conspiracies lads is that the burden of proof is on you, not the other way around. Not being able to say that vaccines cause autism is your burden of proof. Saying you cannot say that vaccines do not cause autism is an important distinction.

Hope you don't lose it all, it's Christmas after all.

[theskull1]

Suggesting that someone should consider listening to a lawyer interviewing the world expert on vaccine development is all it takes these days. 

[RedHand88]

FFS WHAT IS THE LINK BETWEEN VACCINES AND AUTISM?

Why is nobody able to answer this with even a theory or provide any scientific studies which prove it?

All I see are a bunch of of pseudo scientists with dodgy graphs saying there is a link, but offer zero theories/hypothesis or actual proof about what the mechanism might be.

Anytime one of the 2 resident tinfoil hat wearers get pushed for an answer on this they resort to insults/mockery. Why is this?

[Milltown Row2]

This might give you a better understanding of just how weak the safety testing is. I bet you it'll change your confidence level that these people should be trusted without question.

Do vaccines cause autism

Dr Stanley Plotkin deposition w Lawyer Aaron Siri
His book, Vaccines is the standard reference on vaccines so he's the main man

I've not disputed that vaccines have an affect on many people, ffs aspirin can affect many people in a negative way, but all I'm saying is that there are multiple factors and the throw out headline shite that vaccines cause autism is balls, kids in the womb that are subjected to smoke, alcohol, drugs and so on are issues which need looked at, pesticides, types of foods and a mad range of stuff.. None of it is just one thing, even your Dr says that..

But it suits the non vaccers to throw up those headlines 

[tbrick18]

This might give you a better understanding of just how weak the safety testing is. I bet you it'll change your confidence level that these people should be trusted without question.

Do vaccines cause autism

Dr Stanley Plotkin deposition w Lawyer Aaron Siri
His book, Vaccines is the standard reference on vaccines so he's the main man

I've not disputed that vaccines have an affect on many people, ffs aspirin can affect many people in a negative way, but all I'm saying is that there are multiple factors and the throw out headline shite that vaccines cause autism is balls, kids in the womb that are subjected to smoke, alcohol, drugs and so on are issues which need looked at, pesticides, types of foods and a mad range of stuff.. None of it is just one thing, even your Dr says that..

But it suits the non vaccers to throw up those headlines 

Post of the year.

I'm also not necessarily convinced there is any increase in Autism over the last few decades. It's possible we're just better at diagnosing it now. There were always people classified as a bit odd, or not very smart. Chances are a lot of these people were on the Autism spectrum.

Look at how the world has changed - processed foods are the norm. Peticides are the norm. Water treatment is the norm. Air Pollution is the norm. Vaccinations are the norm. Drug use is growing all the time. New variant viruses evolving. Any combination of factors could impact an increase in cases of Autism/Cancer/Dementia/pick your condition.....
Bat-sh*t crazy experts out there who "know" because they read it on the internet then use the internet to perpetuate the nonsense.
I don't know if people have stopped thinking for themselves or if they have been overwhelmed by they amount of content they see online, but certainly some really narrow minded thinking these days.

One think I have learned over the years is that someone trained in a field will know more about that field that someone who isn't trained in it. Simple concept, but there are so many medical experts out there with no training who know that the medical professionals are wrong when it comes to vaccines etc.

[J70]

This might give you a better understanding of just how weak the safety testing is. I bet you it'll change your confidence level that these people should be trusted without question.

Do vaccines cause autism

Dr Stanley Plotkin deposition w Lawyer Aaron Siri
His book, Vaccines is the standard reference on vaccines so he's the main man

I've not disputed that vaccines have an affect on many people, ffs aspirin can affect many people in a negative way, but all I'm saying is that there are multiple factors and the throw out headline shite that vaccines cause autism is balls, kids in the womb that are subjected to smoke, alcohol, drugs and so on are issues which need looked at, pesticides, types of foods and a mad range of stuff.. None of it is just one thing, even your Dr says that..

But it suits the non vaccers to throw up those headlines 

Post of the year.

I'm also not necessarily convinced there is any increase in Autism over the last few decades. It's possible we're just better at diagnosing it now. There were always people classified as a bit odd, or not very smart. Chances are a lot of these people were on the Autism spectrum.

Look at how the world has changed - processed foods are the norm. Peticides are the norm. Water treatment is the norm. Air Pollution is the norm. Vaccinations are the norm. Drug use is growing all the time. New variant viruses evolving. Any combination of factors could impact an increase in cases of Autism/Cancer/Dementia/pick your condition.....
Bat-sh*t crazy experts out there who "know" because they read it on the internet then use the internet to perpetuate the nonsense.
I don't know if people have stopped thinking for themselves or if they have been overwhelmed by they amount of content they see online, but certainly some really narrow minded thinking these days.

One think I have learned over the years is that someone trained in a field will know more about that field that someone who isn't trained in it. Simple concept, but there are so many medical experts out there with no training who know that the medical professionals are wrong when it comes to vaccines etc.

Dunning Kruger effect, arrogant, narcissistic ignorance, call it what you like.

And its the same people over and over again popping up with the conspiracy theory shite, no matter what the topic.

Do a thread on the moon landing. Or 9/11. Guess who is going to be lining up accusing everyone else of being sheep?

[Jell 0 Biafra]

I don't think 9/11 actually happened.  The towers are still there if you just think for yourself.

[quit yo jibbajabba]

I don't think 9/11 actually happened.  The towers are still there if you just think for yourself.

Amount of films I've seen that back this up. We need to listen to boys like this more

[trileacman]

I'm also not necessarily convinced there is any increase in Autism over the last few decades. It's possible we're just better at diagnosing it now. There were always people classified as a bit odd, or not very smart. Chances are a lot of these people were on the Autism spectrum.

I don't know the figures but there almost certainly seems to be an increase. I think back to my schooldays and I can't recall a person in the school who you could've called autistic. Maybe one or two candidates but they generally developed into fairly functional adults (have jobs and a certain skill range). However now the amount of children in the same school I hear described as "non-verbal autistic" is hard to believe.

Obviously Autism is multi-faceted and has causes that are difficult to understand, there's nothing new it that. The same is true of Cancer, CJD and MND and you would struggle to find a doctor who would categorically state they know exactly what causes these conditions.

Because of that I find the polarisation of debate around vaccines and health advice to be disappointing. It used to be that only the anti-vaxxers took extreme, uninformed positions but increasingly there's a pro-medicine brigade who look to shut down any criticism or doubt expressed against mainstream medical opinion. There's a certain dogma that has developed in the media and amongst discussion on this. I'd be much happier taking a vaccine that someone told me they weren't certain it was safe than from someone who was adamant there was zero risk from it. To be fair to doctors they generally don't take up the extreme positions but way medicine has now become a branch of politics is deeply unsettling.

[Milltown Row2]

Do what you feel is right for you, the internet is a curse and a blessing.

[Last Man]

Keep the "Precautionary principle" as your default and never take lightly the fact that you are making potentially life changing decisions for the little humans in your care. In that sense you can always say I looked at all the available information and did the best I could.

[trueblue1234]

Keep the "Precautionary principle" as your default and never take lightly the fact that you are making potentially life changing decisions for the little humans in your care. In that sense you can always say I looked at all the available information and did the best I could.

There in lies the problem. There is no shortage of information for anything at the minute. However not all information is weighted equally. It's verging on impossible to come to conclusive decisions on most things these days given the level of disinformation.

[Seamus]

This might give you a better understanding of just how weak the safety testing is. I bet you it'll change your confidence level that these people should be trusted without question.

Do vaccines cause autism

Dr Stanley Plotkin deposition w Lawyer Aaron Siri
His book, Vaccines is the standard reference on vaccines so he's the main man

I've not disputed that vaccines have an affect on many people, ffs aspirin can affect many people in a negative way, but all I'm saying is that there are multiple factors and the throw out headline shite that vaccines cause autism is balls, kids in the womb that are subjected to smoke, alcohol, drugs and so on are issues which need looked at, pesticides, types of foods and a mad range of stuff.. None of it is just one thing, even your Dr says that..

But it suits the non vaccers to throw up those headlines 

Post of the year.

I'm also not necessarily convinced there is any increase in Autism over the last few decades. It's possible we're just better at diagnosing it now. There were always people classified as a bit odd, or not very smart. Chances are a lot of these people were on the Autism spectrum.

Look at how the world has changed - processed foods are the norm. Peticides are the norm. Water treatment is the norm. Air Pollution is the norm. Vaccinations are the norm. Drug use is growing all the time. New variant viruses evolving. Any combination of factors could impact an increase in cases of Autism/Cancer/Dementia/pick your condition.....
Bat-sh*t crazy experts out there who "know" because they read it on the internet then use the internet to perpetuate the nonsense.
I don't know if people have stopped thinking for themselves or if they have been overwhelmed by they amount of content they see online, but certainly some really narrow minded thinking these days.

One think I have learned over the years is that someone trained in a field will know more about that field that someone who isn't trained in it. Simple concept, but there are so many medical experts out there with no training who know that the medical professionals are wrong when it comes to vaccines etc.

Dunning Kruger effect, arrogant, narcissistic ignorance, call it what you like.

And its the same people over and over again popping up with the conspiracy theory shite, no matter what the topic.

Do a thread on the moon landing. Or 9/11. Guess who is going to be lining up accusing everyone else of being sheep?

Some post coming for a person who considers Fauci, Gates. Obama, The Clintons and Biden, to name but a few, Gods, even once said than Johnson was a great President.  Loved Song Bird McCain (what a traitor) and cheers on the worst of the RINOs. Believes everything dished out by mainstream media and pseudo science without an ounce of critical thinking. You are in great company here, no wonder you login for your daily pat on the back. What a cesspool of disinformation you immerse yourself in. I haven't turned on a tv for close to 30 years, the same garbage is on here save for a few informed posters. I only visit once or twice a year hoping to see a change for the better. You and you buddies badly need to take a break from this place, otherwise you lot are in for some rude awakening.