All Ireland Club Championships 2024

[Rossfan]

1 -How many Clubs in Ireland?

2- How many play in the Provincial Championships?

I'd suspect answer 2 is around 8% of answer 1.
Half of that 8% play 1 game.

Not exactly a major concern.

Only thing needs rectifying is Antrim.
16 Senior

[03,05,08]

How many Stacks players this year played senior championship for St. Brendan's? Another aspect of the unfairness of it all. There should be a rule that non-senior club players in Kerry who line out with their divisional side in the senior championship are ineligible for their clubs in the provincial championship. The Cliffords whaling on junior clubs left, right and centre a few years ago comes

How many Stacks players this year played senior championship for St. Brendan's? Another aspect of the unfairness of it all. There should be a rule that non-senior club players in Kerry who line out with their divisional side in the senior championship are ineligible for their clubs in the provincial championship. The Cliffords whaling on junior clubs left, right and centre a few years ago comes to mind.

Will do a separate post on the Kerry structure (for the 500th time!) but for now, fair play to Kilmurry on their win. Much the better team tonight.

For those wondering why they are in a third Munster Junior final, they won the old Junior A in Cork in 2022, lost Munster Final to Fossa.
Lost the Premier Junior (new grade) final in Cork to St Finbarrs 2nd team last year and lost Munster Final to Listowel.

Won the Premier Junior this year and now won Munster. Unusual one but just a factor of the Cork restructuring.

Have seen your previous posts and fair play for the way it's run, think the divisional teams are a brilliant idea and would love to see them tried in Armagh because I know theres lads at smaller clubs who would love to play against the best players and would be well able to.

No matter how you slice it though, the 9th ranked team shouldn't be going to Munster intermediate.

I doubt you'd find anyone that will disagree with the last line Armagh18 - that's why Kerry are making changes so that there will be 10 Clubs in Senior championship by 2026. I think it should have been done for next year but anyway.

People seem to forget that Kerry had 11 Senior clubs up until I think 2014 or 2015 and along with the 9 divisional teams there were 20 team in the SFC. So 12th rank team was going into Munster Intermediate. There were still 4/5 Kerry winners and 2 runners-up before this.

Anyway, everyone agrees change is needed and it's coming. The reason it didn't happen well before now is the narrow minded attitude of Croke park and their "one size fits all" approach to county championships. There's 100 years of history of Divisional teams in Kerry in the County championship and we're not sacrificing that as it works and works well for us. So when Croke park tried to pressurise Kerry (and Cork) then it was a reduction in club numbers that followed. It could have been worse only that Kenmare district divisional team dropped out of the championship, but sin scéal eile!

Even the 12th ranked team for a county with the pick and tradition Kerry have is probably too strong for an intermediate provincial. How many clubs are in Kerry?

Could Kerry and Cork not both stick to 16 senior teams and send team 17 into intermediate?

16 club teams?? Not a hope to be totally honest, no way is there 16 Senior level clubs in Kerry. Would just lead to a load of hammerings in SFC. This was happening a bit a few years ago and was one of the reasons the number of Senior clubs was scaled back. They went too far down to 8, so it's being adjusted up to 10 again, rightly.

In County SFC We have 8 Divisional teams that are there to stay anyway (although there's a possibility of a merger of 2 of those teams, so 10 clubs along with 7/8 divisional teams those is about the right formula as far as I'm concerned.

To answer your question, there is around 58 clubs in Kerry championships. There are a few clubs hanging onto existence just about unfortunately who exist on paper but barely field outside of regional leagues. There used to be over 70 clubs. South Kerry area is decimated for one thing and the region that produced Jack O'Shea, Mick O'Connell, Maurice Fitzgerald, Mick O'Dwyer, Declan O'Sullivan and others is in a really bad way with once proud clubs amalgamating, often 3 or 4 together to make one minor team. Valentia, the club of Mick O'Connell, refielded for the first time in 5 years or so this year to stop being de-registered but they are hanging on.

I often feel like someone should do a Q&A on Kerry structures here!

Also just on Cork - they put their 25th ranked team into Munster Intermediate -  winners of Premier Intermediate championship.
Premier Senior (12 clubs + Divisions)
Senior A (12 clubs)
Premier Intermediate (12)
Intermediate A (12)
Premier Junior (12)
Junior A - literally hundreds of teams, divided into various regions.

This is the Cork structure with the winners of bolded going into Munster.

to mind.

Surely if the intermediate teams always do well in prov and AI there is a decent enough standard to ad 8 teams into senior champ

[Armagh18]

Will do a separate post on the Kerry structure (for the 500th time!) but for now, fair play to Kilmurry on their win. Much the better team tonight.

For those wondering why they are in a third Munster Junior final, they won the old Junior A in Cork in 2022, lost Munster Final to Fossa.
Lost the Premier Junior (new grade) final in Cork to St Finbarrs 2nd team last year and lost Munster Final to Listowel.

Won the Premier Junior this year and now won Munster. Unusual one but just a factor of the Cork restructuring.

Have seen your previous posts and fair play for the way it's run, think the divisional teams are a brilliant idea and would love to see them tried in Armagh because I know theres lads at smaller clubs who would love to play against the best players and would be well able to.

No matter how you slice it though, the 9th ranked team shouldn't be going to Munster intermediate.

I doubt you'd find anyone that will disagree with the last line Armagh18 - that's why Kerry are making changes so that there will be 10 Clubs in Senior championship by 2026. I think it should have been done for next year but anyway.

People seem to forget that Kerry had 11 Senior clubs up until I think 2014 or 2015 and along with the 9 divisional teams there were 20 team in the SFC. So 12th rank team was going into Munster Intermediate. There were still 4/5 Kerry winners and 2 runners-up before this.

Anyway, everyone agrees change is needed and it's coming. The reason it didn't happen well before now is the narrow minded attitude of Croke park and their "one size fits all" approach to county championships. There's 100 years of history of Divisional teams in Kerry in the County championship and we're not sacrificing that as it works and works well for us. So when Croke park tried to pressurise Kerry (and Cork) then it was a reduction in club numbers that followed. It could have been worse only that Kenmare district divisional team dropped out of the championship, but sin scéal eile!

Even the 12th ranked team for a county with the pick and tradition Kerry have is probably too strong for an intermediate provincial. How many clubs are in Kerry?

Could Kerry and Cork not both stick to 16 senior teams and send team 17 into intermediate?

16 club teams?? Not a hope to be totally honest, no way is there 16 Senior level clubs in Kerry. Would just lead to a load of hammerings in SFC. This was happening a bit a few years ago and was one of the reasons the number of Senior clubs was scaled back. They went too far down to 8, so it's being adjusted up to 10 again, rightly.

In County SFC We have 8 Divisional teams that are there to stay anyway (although there's a possibility of a merger of 2 of those teams, so 10 clubs along with 7/8 divisional teams those is about the right formula as far as I'm concerned.

To answer your question, there is around 58 clubs in Kerry championships. There are a few clubs hanging onto existence just about unfortunately who exist on paper but barely field outside of regional leagues. There used to be over 70 clubs. South Kerry area is decimated for one thing and the region that produced Jack O'Shea, Mick O'Connell, Maurice Fitzgerald, Mick O'Dwyer, Declan O'Sullivan and others is in a really bad way with once proud clubs amalgamating, often 3 or 4 together to make one minor team. Valentia, the club of Mick O'Connell, refielded for the first time in 5 years or so this year to stop being de-registered but they are hanging on.

I often feel like someone should do a Q&A on Kerry structures here!

Also just on Cork - they put their 25th ranked team into Munster Intermediate -  winners of Premier Intermediate championship.
Premier Senior (12 clubs + Divisions)
Senior A (12 clubs)
Premier Intermediate (12)
Intermediate A (12)
Premier Junior (12)
Junior A - literally hundreds of teams, divided into various regions.

This is the Cork structure with the winners of bolded going into Munster.

If theres 58 teams in Kerry surely they should go 16, senior 16, intermediate, 16 junior and then 10 or whatever is left into junior b?

Theres always going to be a fair drop off between the best 2 or 3 teams in the county and the 15/16 best that's to be expected.

[Wildweasel74]

58 clubs in Kerry is still way more than a no.of counties. There counties with less teams, playing 16 team senior championship. For many a year.

[Armagh18]

58 clubs in Kerry still way more than a no.of places. There counties with less were playing 16 team senior championship for many a year.

16 should be the norm imo. Then make exceptions for the small counties like Fermanagh.

[tiempo]

Kerry have cooked the books, boring cvnts

[Ciarrai_thuaidh]

Will do a separate post on the Kerry structure (for the 500th time!) but for now, fair play to Kilmurry on their win. Much the better team tonight.

For those wondering why they are in a third Munster Junior final, they won the old Junior A in Cork in 2022, lost Munster Final to Fossa.
Lost the Premier Junior (new grade) final in Cork to St Finbarrs 2nd team last year and lost Munster Final to Listowel.

Won the Premier Junior this year and now won Munster. Unusual one but just a factor of the Cork restructuring.

Have seen your previous posts and fair play for the way it's run, think the divisional teams are a brilliant idea and would love to see them tried in Armagh because I know theres lads at smaller clubs who would love to play against the best players and would be well able to.

No matter how you slice it though, the 9th ranked team shouldn't be going to Munster intermediate.

I doubt you'd find anyone that will disagree with the last line Armagh18 - that's why Kerry are making changes so that there will be 10 Clubs in Senior championship by 2026. I think it should have been done for next year but anyway.

People seem to forget that Kerry had 11 Senior clubs up until I think 2014 or 2015 and along with the 9 divisional teams there were 20 team in the SFC. So 12th rank team was going into Munster Intermediate. There were still 4/5 Kerry winners and 2 runners-up before this.

Anyway, everyone agrees change is needed and it's coming. The reason it didn't happen well before now is the narrow minded attitude of Croke park and their "one size fits all" approach to county championships. There's 100 years of history of Divisional teams in Kerry in the County championship and we're not sacrificing that as it works and works well for us. So when Croke park tried to pressurise Kerry (and Cork) then it was a reduction in club numbers that followed. It could have been worse only that Kenmare district divisional team dropped out of the championship, but sin scéal eile!

Even the 12th ranked team for a county with the pick and tradition Kerry have is probably too strong for an intermediate provincial. How many clubs are in Kerry?

Could Kerry and Cork not both stick to 16 senior teams and send team 17 into intermediate?

16 club teams?? Not a hope to be totally honest, no way is there 16 Senior level clubs in Kerry. Would just lead to a load of hammerings in SFC. This was happening a bit a few years ago and was one of the reasons the number of Senior clubs was scaled back. They went too far down to 8, so it's being adjusted up to 10 again, rightly.

In County SFC We have 8 Divisional teams that are there to stay anyway (although there's a possibility of a merger of 2 of those teams, so 10 clubs along with 7/8 divisional teams those is about the right formula as far as I'm concerned.

To answer your question, there is around 58 clubs in Kerry championships. There are a few clubs hanging onto existence just about unfortunately who exist on paper but barely field outside of regional leagues. There used to be over 70 clubs. South Kerry area is decimated for one thing and the region that produced Jack O'Shea, Mick O'Connell, Maurice Fitzgerald, Mick O'Dwyer, Declan O'Sullivan and others is in a really bad way with once proud clubs amalgamating, often 3 or 4 together to make one minor team. Valentia, the club of Mick O'Connell, refielded for the first time in 5 years or so this year to stop being de-registered but they are hanging on.

I often feel like someone should do a Q&A on Kerry structures here!

Also just on Cork - they put their 25th ranked team into Munster Intermediate -  winners of Premier Intermediate championship.
Premier Senior (12 clubs + Divisions)
Senior A (12 clubs)
Premier Intermediate (12)
Intermediate A (12)
Premier Junior (12)
Junior A - literally hundreds of teams, divided into various regions.

This is the Cork structure with the winners of bolded going into Munster.

If theres 58 teams in Kerry surely they should go 16, senior 16, intermediate, 16 junior and then 10 or whatever is left into junior b?

Theres always going to be a fair drop off between the best 2 or 3 teams in the county and the 15/16 best that's to be expected.

You realise there's 8 divisional teams in Kerry Senior championship? 16 clubs would mean a 24 team championship. Not happening.

[Wildweasel74]

Sure have a divisional championship ship! Not a made up team of clubs.

[From the Bunker]

You realise there's 8 divisional teams in Kerry Senior championship? 16 clubs would mean a 24 team championship. Not happening.

There is a simple solution have a senior B championship of 8 teams. Senior B can still play with the divisional sides and the Intermediate and Junior winners properly align with the rest of the country.

[Armagh18]

Will do a separate post on the Kerry structure (for the 500th time!) but for now, fair play to Kilmurry on their win. Much the better team tonight.

For those wondering why they are in a third Munster Junior final, they won the old Junior A in Cork in 2022, lost Munster Final to Fossa.
Lost the Premier Junior (new grade) final in Cork to St Finbarrs 2nd team last year and lost Munster Final to Listowel.

Won the Premier Junior this year and now won Munster. Unusual one but just a factor of the Cork restructuring.

Have seen your previous posts and fair play for the way it's run, think the divisional teams are a brilliant idea and would love to see them tried in Armagh because I know theres lads at smaller clubs who would love to play against the best players and would be well able to.

No matter how you slice it though, the 9th ranked team shouldn't be going to Munster intermediate.

I doubt you'd find anyone that will disagree with the last line Armagh18 - that's why Kerry are making changes so that there will be 10 Clubs in Senior championship by 2026. I think it should have been done for next year but anyway.

People seem to forget that Kerry had 11 Senior clubs up until I think 2014 or 2015 and along with the 9 divisional teams there were 20 team in the SFC. So 12th rank team was going into Munster Intermediate. There were still 4/5 Kerry winners and 2 runners-up before this.

Anyway, everyone agrees change is needed and it's coming. The reason it didn't happen well before now is the narrow minded attitude of Croke park and their "one size fits all" approach to county championships. There's 100 years of history of Divisional teams in Kerry in the County championship and we're not sacrificing that as it works and works well for us. So when Croke park tried to pressurise Kerry (and Cork) then it was a reduction in club numbers that followed. It could have been worse only that Kenmare district divisional team dropped out of the championship, but sin scéal eile!

Even the 12th ranked team for a county with the pick and tradition Kerry have is probably too strong for an intermediate provincial. How many clubs are in Kerry?

Could Kerry and Cork not both stick to 16 senior teams and send team 17 into intermediate?

16 club teams?? Not a hope to be totally honest, no way is there 16 Senior level clubs in Kerry. Would just lead to a load of hammerings in SFC. This was happening a bit a few years ago and was one of the reasons the number of Senior clubs was scaled back. They went too far down to 8, so it's being adjusted up to 10 again, rightly.

In County SFC We have 8 Divisional teams that are there to stay anyway (although there's a possibility of a merger of 2 of those teams, so 10 clubs along with 7/8 divisional teams those is about the right formula as far as I'm concerned.

To answer your question, there is around 58 clubs in Kerry championships. There are a few clubs hanging onto existence just about unfortunately who exist on paper but barely field outside of regional leagues. There used to be over 70 clubs. South Kerry area is decimated for one thing and the region that produced Jack O'Shea, Mick O'Connell, Maurice Fitzgerald, Mick O'Dwyer, Declan O'Sullivan and others is in a really bad way with once proud clubs amalgamating, often 3 or 4 together to make one minor team. Valentia, the club of Mick O'Connell, refielded for the first time in 5 years or so this year to stop being de-registered but they are hanging on.

I often feel like someone should do a Q&A on Kerry structures here!

Also just on Cork - they put their 25th ranked team into Munster Intermediate -  winners of Premier Intermediate championship.
Premier Senior (12 clubs + Divisions)
Senior A (12 clubs)
Premier Intermediate (12)
Intermediate A (12)
Premier Junior (12)
Junior A - literally hundreds of teams, divided into various regions.

This is the Cork structure with the winners of bolded going into Munster.

If theres 58 teams in Kerry surely they should go 16, senior 16, intermediate, 16 junior and then 10 or whatever is left into junior b?

Theres always going to be a fair drop off between the best 2 or 3 teams in the county and the 15/16 best that's to be expected.

You realise there's 8 divisional teams in Kerry Senior championship? 16 clubs would mean a 24 team championship. Not happening.

No, have a 16 team championship made up of clubs, winners goes to Munster. Run the divisional craic separate to it.

[gallsman]

Aye that'll work. "Here Paudie, David, youse can't play senior championship this year because we've booted out the divisions. It's ok though, we've created a new competition just for the divisions. It's really prestigious, promise".

[Ciarrai_thuaidh]

I know Kerry and Cork are the only places where Divisional teams are really a part of the fabric (Tipp had a brief flirtation with it in football also in North Tipp) so wouldn't expect most people to understand the system totally but as I've said, the structure works very well for us, it's integral to how competitions are run at U20 and Minor also in Kerry. We're not changing it, I hope anyway. And to say "have a separate competition for divisions" means you don't really get it.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

I'm not sure I've got this suggestion right, gallsman, but if a junior club has players good enough to make a divisional team then they lose them for the championship?

[gallsman]

I'm not sure I've got this suggestion right, gallsman, but if a junior club has players good enough to make a divisional team then they lose them for the championship?

No, I'm suggesting that, in an attempt to address the clear problem of Kerry intermediate and junior teams in Munster not really being intermediate or junior teams as would be understood in most other counties, and in the absence of any significant change to the existing structure of the Kerry championships, they lose them for the provincial/AI series.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

I get why you are suggesting it and I agree that there is an unfairness in how Kerry put forward a lot of their teams.
There are some Kerry Intermediate & Junior teams who are genuine or for whom a case could be made. How do we differentiate?

Austin Stacks & Fossa have been mentioned recently.
Austin Stacks were in Division 2 in the league this year I think. In Tyrone, that would automatically make them an Intermediate team.
When Fossa won junior they were way down the leagues in Kerry.
I'm not sure these teams should have to ditch their best players to continue in Munster.