Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[theskull1]

Someone explain to me the value of 'money' after a nuclear conflict just I can understand?

[Banks of the Bann]

Someone explain to me the value of 'money' after a nuclear conflict just I can understand?

You're completely missing the point. Why would a group of the richest men on the planet (criminal mafia state Russian Oligarchs) start a nuclear conflict that would turn their billions into dust. They won't.

I would also assume they would be inconvenienced by having to fly their wives, mistrisses, girlfriends and children home from their opulent lives in the west as well.

Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate and the rest of the pro-russian online grifters has Skull scared out of his wits.

If Ukraine gets Javelins there will be WW3
If Ukraine gets HIMARS there will be WW3
If Ukraine gets Leopard tanks there will be WW3
If Ukraine gets F-16s there will be WW3
If Ukraine gets ATACMS there will be WW3
If Ukraine...can anyone finish the sentence?

The fact is..Russia invaded Ukraine, has been murdering it's civilians, blowing up infrastructure to try to freeze them into submission, and all the rest for over 3 years now, with Russian bombs and Iranian drones, now deploying NK troops.

The idea of not allowing Ukraine to strike back into Russian territory is insane.

Putin and his online army have you eating out of their hands Skull. Totally brainwashed.

[Banks of the Bann]

From one of the VERY VERY few members of Congress who doesn't shill for AIPAC

By authorizing long range missiles to strike inside Russia, Biden is committing  an unconstitutional Act of War that endangers the lives of all U.S. citizens. This is an impeachable offense, but the reality is he's an emasculated puppet of a deep state

He just shills for Putin instead though doesn't he.

[Wildweasel74]

There alot of Americans have zero concept of Europe and the threat of Russia under Putin poses. Just another Dictator trying to impose his will on the world. Only mistake Biden done was not supplying these, years ago for Defensive purposes and keep it under the radar. Ukraine are engaged in counter strikes. None of this would have arisen if Russia didn't invade Ukraine in the first place.

[theskull1]

Some neocons knocking about here.

Youse aren't wise... either that or stupid considering we're talking about a potential WW getting kicked off

[Banks of the Bann]

Some neocons knocking about here.

Youse aren't wise... either that or stupid considering we're talking about a potential WW getting kicked off

Supporting the right of a democratic sovereign country to defend itself from an invasion by the dictatorship next door does not make one a neocon.

If a WW does start it'll be because of the failure of the west to stand up to Putin in the previous 2 decades and letting him invade Georgia and Ukraine with no repercussions. Same way the last WW kicked off. Appeasement.

And you want more of the same.

[theskull1]

Ahh the old Neville Chamberlain dig

War War War War

[Banks of the Bann]

Ahh the old Neville Chamberlain dig

War War War War

There's already War War War War, thanks to Barack Obama and Angela Merkel and Putin Arselickers like your heroes Mearsheimer and Sachs (and let's not forget that crazy Owl woman, you really embarrassed yourself there).

[Don Cockburn]

The yanks have left it very left to give Ukraine proper backing.
They probably thought it would be a 3 day war, just like the Russians did.

[johnnycool]

Some neocons knocking about here.

Youse aren't wise... either that or stupid considering we're talking about a potential WW getting kicked off

Supporting the right of a democratic sovereign country to defend itself from an invasion by the dictatorship next door does not make one a neocon.

If a WW does start it'll be because of the failure of the west to stand up to Putin in the previous 2 decades and letting him invade Georgia and Ukraine with no repercussions. Same way the last WW kicked off. Appeasement.

And you want more of the same.

Ukraine ceased being a democracy a decade ago.

Look into the politics around Viktor Yanukovych and his removal because he had a pro Russia stance and his successors actions in the regions currently at war and then talk about democracy.

[Milltown Row2]

Some neocons knocking about here.

Youse aren't wise... either that or stupid considering we're talking about a potential WW getting kicked off

Supporting the right of a democratic sovereign country to defend itself from an invasion by the dictatorship next door does not make one a neocon.

If a WW does start it'll be because of the failure of the west to stand up to Putin in the previous 2 decades and letting him invade Georgia and Ukraine with no repercussions. Same way the last WW kicked off. Appeasement.

And you want more of the same.

Ukraine ceased being a democracy a decade ago.

Look into the politics around Viktor Yanukovych and his removal because he had a pro Russia stance and his successors actions in the regions currently at war and then talk about democracy.

Should it be invaded by Russia though?

[johnnycool]

Some neocons knocking about here.

Youse aren't wise... either that or stupid considering we're talking about a potential WW getting kicked off

Supporting the right of a democratic sovereign country to defend itself from an invasion by the dictatorship next door does not make one a neocon.

If a WW does start it'll be because of the failure of the west to stand up to Putin in the previous 2 decades and letting him invade Georgia and Ukraine with no repercussions. Same way the last WW kicked off. Appeasement.

And you want more of the same.

Ukraine ceased being a democracy a decade ago.

Look into the politics around Viktor Yanukovych and his removal because he had a pro Russia stance and his successors actions in the regions currently at war and then talk about democracy.

Should it be invaded by Russia though?

Certainly not, but Putin didn't act in a vacuum.

[Don Cockburn]

Some neocons knocking about here.

Youse aren't wise... either that or stupid considering we're talking about a potential WW getting kicked off

Supporting the right of a democratic sovereign country to defend itself from an invasion by the dictatorship next door does not make one a neocon.

If a WW does start it'll be because of the failure of the west to stand up to Putin in the previous 2 decades and letting him invade Georgia and Ukraine with no repercussions. Same way the last WW kicked off. Appeasement.

And you want more of the same.

Ukraine ceased being a democracy a decade ago.

Look into the politics around Viktor Yanukovych and his removal because he had a pro Russia stance and his successors actions in the regions currently at war and then talk about democracy.

Viktor Yanukovych was bringing Ukraine towards the EU until Putin pulled him back into line.

[theskull1]

Can we also hold onto the truth that America (whoever controls them) has on many many occasions destabilized countries it couldn't control.


Iran
Iraq
Syria
Libya
Egypt

[johnnycool]

Some neocons knocking about here.

Youse aren't wise... either that or stupid considering we're talking about a potential WW getting kicked off

Supporting the right of a democratic sovereign country to defend itself from an invasion by the dictatorship next door does not make one a neocon.

If a WW does start it'll be because of the failure of the west to stand up to Putin in the previous 2 decades and letting him invade Georgia and Ukraine with no repercussions. Same way the last WW kicked off. Appeasement.

And you want more of the same.

Ukraine ceased being a democracy a decade ago.

Look into the politics around Viktor Yanukovych and his removal because he had a pro Russia stance and his successors actions in the regions currently at war and then talk about democracy.

Viktor Yanukovych was bringing Ukraine towards the EU until Putin pulled him back into line.

And the US and EU got rid of him and put Poroshenko in his place.

You see that game can be played both ways and back to my point about democracy being all smoke and mirrors.