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[Dreadnought]

Like still no one can answer which of League without county players or Championship with county players is best.

You simply have to accept that League isn't it. They messed up our League here. That's what we're telling you. It's not a good judge of a teams level. It's why it's based exclusively on Championship. Knockbride win a first Championship in 24 years, after 15 years at Junior level and some clowns think they're actually Senior based on a messed up League system? Are you for real?

Does every club in Cavan have several county players?

No, but bulk of the Senior teams do. Hence a club might catch a Senior club in a League game, but be very off the pace in a Championship game

So why don't Cavan just confine senior clubs to only playing other senior clubs in league? And same for intermediate and junior? Will clubs kick up a fuss because without their county players their team is actually closer to intermediate or junior standard?

Could do. But does it really matter? If they still use Championship as the guide for grading teams, then what's the odds on what League is what?

And like, I wish they would fix our League in some way. All I'm doing is explaining the current situation and how you can't use the current League as a guide. It's that simple. Your Championship form is where it's at

[Dreadnought]

Like still no one can answer which of League without county players or Championship with county players is best.

You simply have to accept that League isn't it. They messed up our League here. That's what we're telling you. It's not a good judge of a teams level. It's why it's based exclusively on Championship. Knockbride win a first Championship in 24 years, after 15 years at Junior level and some clowns think they're actually Senior based on a messed up League system? Are you for real?

Does every club in Cavan have several county players?

No, but bulk of the Senior teams do. Hence a club might catch a Senior club in a League game, but be very off the pace in a Championship game

So why don't Cavan just confine senior clubs to only playing other senior clubs in league? And same for intermediate and junior? Will clubs kick up a fuss because without their county players their team is actually closer to intermediate or junior standard?

You're suggesting a league without promotion and relegation because you don't like something the majority of counties in Ireland do.

Where have I suggested that?
I just think it's silly that a club that is considered junior can take to the field and play a competitive match against a club that is considered senior.

But why does this matter? Many counties have clubs a division up or down and mixing of things. Does it matter? And it's really only a very rare quirk we see if it's a few above.

Knockbride went straight down. So clearly not good enough for Division 1 with a full team against others who didn't. Next year they're Intermediate and Division 2. So it balances out.

[SouthOfThe Bann]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

How is it not a fair comparison when division 1 teams are winning junior? Your logic is that there is no benefit to them playing division 1 league football and they are junior clubs, so surely there are division 3 league clubs who are at least challenging in senior championship? Other wise it would suggest at least intermediate level clubs are competing in your junior championship?

Its not a fair comparison because we are talking about a team who got relegated from division 1 competing in Junior.

If Crosserlough or Gowna were somehow in junior championship I would agree with you.

But the fact is that there is a middle tier in Cavan football from the top end of junior to bottom end senior where teams can beat eachother.

Add in the fact that Knockbride have no county men means there is scope for rising up the rankings when it comes to the league.

I'm not denying that Knockbride being in division 1 is an advantage.

Of course its an advantage even without county players but its an advantage they have earned through getting promoted through the league.

They haven't earned the right to play a higher grade of championship because they haven't been good enough to win it.

Many called them bottlers when it came to championship.

But they've won it this year and fair play to them.

I expect them to be beat today if i'm honest.

[SouthOfThe Bann]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

Glenn in Down were Div 3 and reached a senior semi final this year, beating teams in higher divisions along the way.

Darragh Cross were division 4 and reached an intermediate semi final.

Darragh Cross got relegated to Division 4 for playing an ineligible player.

Glenn will be  Division 2 next year which is about their level.

Both examples exceptions to the rule.

If you consider both of those teams an exception to the rule; then why cant we consider Arva and Knockbride exceptions to the rule?

Because we wont see a junior team division 1 in cavan for the foreseeable future.

[APM]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

Glenn in Down were Div 3 and reached a senior semi final this year, beating teams in higher divisions along the way.

Darragh Cross were division 4 and reached an intermediate semi final.

These are exceptions. Same happened with Drumgath at one stage when they were Division 3. But in general, in most counties, the standards revealed by the leagues reflect those set in the championship.

The Cavan lads defending this are missing the point. It's a crazy system and must be hurting football in the county.

[Dreadnought]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

Glenn in Down were Div 3 and reached a senior semi final this year, beating teams in higher divisions along the way.

Darragh Cross were division 4 and reached an intermediate semi final.

These are exceptions. Same happened with Drumgath at one stage when they were Division 3. But in general, in most counties, the standards revealed by the leagues reflect those set in the championship.

The Cavan lads defending this are missing the point. It's a crazy system and must be hurting football in the county.

This has already washed out. It's not the norm. Knockbride got relegated to Division 2. It was an odd quirk for a season. Point being that no point crying about it now when it has already resolved itself for next season

[Dire Ear]

Is there a Cavan thread somewhere? 
if not .......

[SouthOfThe Bann]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

Glenn in Down were Div 3 and reached a senior semi final this year, beating teams in higher divisions along the way.

Darragh Cross were division 4 and reached an intermediate semi final.

These are exceptions. Same happened with Drumgath at one stage when they were Division 3. But in general, in most counties, the standards revealed by the leagues reflect those set in the championship.

The Cavan lads defending this are missing the point. It's a crazy system and must be hurting football in the county.

Yes and that's the case in Cavan aswell.

If you want I can go through everything team in Cavan and tell you what league and what championship they are in.

You will find that 80% - 90% are playing same tier and that's even despite the diluted league.

Every now and then you'll have extreme examples but that's just sport.

This won't be discussed again for years because it won't happen again for a long time.

[ElJeffe]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

Glenn in Down were Div 3 and reached a senior semi final this year, beating teams in higher divisions along the way.

Darragh Cross were division 4 and reached an intermediate semi final.

These are exceptions. Same happened with Drumgath at one stage when they were Division 3. But in general, in most counties, the standards revealed by the leagues reflect those set in the championship.

The Cavan lads defending this are missing the point. It's a crazy system and must be hurting football in the county.

Yes and that's the case in Cavan aswell.

If you want I can go through everything team in Cavan and tell you what league and what championship they are in.

You will find that 80% - 90% are playing same tier and that's even despite the diluted league.

Every now and then you'll have extreme examples but that's just sport.

This won't be discussed again for years because it won't happen again for a long time.

If anything it highlights how bad Cavan football is. It harms the co team and the quality ... with this system teams get 4 actual games a year ... surely that's a disservice to the players in the county

[Wildweasel74]

So Knockbride played Division 1 league and are playing Junior championship, and the league position doesn't matter?. Any Derry division 1 league team will beat the crap outta any team in this year's Ulster Junior championship by a fair margin. It's about proper grading, anybody arguing anything else is blind. It's how Kerry Junior and intermediate teams gave got away with this crap for so many years

[mrdeeds]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

Glenn in Down were Div 3 and reached a senior semi final this year, beating teams in higher divisions along the way.

Darragh Cross were division 4 and reached an intermediate semi final.

These are exceptions. Same happened with Drumgath at one stage when they were Division 3. But in general, in most counties, the standards revealed by the leagues reflect those set in the championship.

The Cavan lads defending this are missing the point. It's a crazy system and must be hurting football in the county.

Yes and that's the case in Cavan aswell.

If you want I can go through everything team in Cavan and tell you what league and what championship they are in.

You will find that 80% - 90% are playing same tier and that's even despite the diluted league.

Every now and then you'll have extreme examples but that's just sport.

This won't be discussed again for years because it won't happen again for a long time.

If anything it highlights how bad Cavan football is. It harms the co team and the quality ... with this system teams get 4 actual games a year ... surely that's a disservice to the players in the county

Paul Fitzpatrick a local reporter has highlighted this on numerous occasions about how the league has been downgraded and this has been allowed happen.

[SouthOfThe Bann]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

Glenn in Down were Div 3 and reached a senior semi final this year, beating teams in higher divisions along the way.

Darragh Cross were division 4 and reached an intermediate semi final.

These are exceptions. Same happened with Drumgath at one stage when they were Division 3. But in general, in most counties, the standards revealed by the leagues reflect those set in the championship.

The Cavan lads defending this are missing the point. It's a crazy system and must be hurting football in the county.

Yes and that's the case in Cavan aswell.

If you want I can go through everything team in Cavan and tell you what league and what championship they are in.

You will find that 80% - 90% are playing same tier and that's even despite the diluted league.

Every now and then you'll have extreme examples but that's just sport.

This won't be discussed again for years because it won't happen again for a long time.

If anything it highlights how bad Cavan football is. It harms the co team and the quality ... with this system teams get 4 actual games a year ... surely that's a disservice to the players in the county

You could be right. I'll argue alot of things with you haha but I'm not going to argue that Cavan football is in a great place at the moment.

Split season has been a contributing factor to the dilution of the league.

Maybe 4 tiers with less games and county players might be a better system.

[SouthOfThe Bann]

Craigbane making light work of Knockbride at the moment.

[Cavan19]

Is there a Cavan thread somewhere? 
if not .......

The same bellends spent about two months last year discussings this with same arguements over and back they should just read back.

[Dreadnought]

Craigbane beat Knockbride by 3 points. The pearl clutching can stop now