The Many Faces of US Politics...

[whitey]

Saw Kamala on 60 Minutes

Where was Donald?

Well FWIW, I'm not voting for him either and he is rightfully demanding an apology for how Leslie Stahl conducted the interview in 2020

https://x.com/therightmelissa/status/1841291930077905361?s=46&t=lH_6NhrWXceXekvYr1XRpg

[seafoid]

The GOP is far right
 
"Between a quarter and a third of GOP voters do not want Trump "

This was earlier in the year. Who will get Haley's vote?

[J70]

https://www.ft.com/content/ffb5b03b-34ac-4cd7-a924-535168bebb74

 Milton moved from being declared a hurricane on Sunday afternoon to a category five storm by Monday morning. Its wind speed accelerated faster than all but two previously recorded storms, increasing by more than 90 miles per hour in less than 24 hours, the National Hurricane Center said. "I am stunned by how quickly this storm has intensified," said Rachel Cleetus, policy director for climate and energy at the Union of Concerned Scientists.

The Donald Trump-JD Vance Republican presidential campaign postponed an event for Latino voters to be held in Miami on Tuesday because of the storm. "Our thoughts and prayers are with those in the path of Hurricane Milton," the campaign said in a statement.

I have immediate and extended family who've had to evacuate and who will return to who knows what when it's over.

Meanwhile, some prominent in the GOP and the right are accusing the government of somehow steering these hurricanes towards Republican-leaning areas, apparently to punish them and disrupt early voting.

[Milltown Row2]

Watched Trump show on tv last night when he headed back to the place were he was shot!

Jesus,  those Americans interviewed are a rare breed

Even the pastor side tracked Trumps slip ups as he'll answer to god for them but they'll all vote for him anyways 

[seafoid]

   https://www.ft.com/content/31366fe1-5694-432f-afac-a6bda9a92b36

   The head of the US agency co-ordinating relief efforts for Hurricane Helene attacked "dangerous" disinformation as she rejected claims by Donald Trump that there was no money for storm victims because it had been spent on illegal migrants.

"This kind of rhetoric is not helpful to people," said Deanne Criswell, Federal Emergency Management Agency administrator, in an ABC interview.

[Muck Savage]

Saw Kamala on 60 Minutes

Where was Donald?

In fairness He's been doing interviews, shows etc for the past year. Very few people have any idea what Kamala stands for so it was good that someone challenged her to understand if she is fit to be a president.
What was clear from the interview is in no way, shape or form is she qualified to be a president. She has flipped on so many issues I have no doubt she will flip on them again if she wins the election (Border, Fracking, Medicare for All, EV mandate, defund the police and so on). I've heard a number of women that are staunch Democrats say that she is an embarrassment to all the smart women in the country that she could be the first female president.
One thing I have noticed in the past two weeks is the Lib News stations/shows are asking hard questions about Kamala which is a big shift from the past 20 years. There is always a finish with a "Trump is going to kill democracy" soundbite or something similar but I will give them credit they are asking harder questions of her.

Looking at what is going on for the past few weeks the Presidential election is down to two choices, vote for Trump or not for Trump. They could run kermit the frog as the "not for Trump" option and he would get >50% of the vote.

It's a sad state that these two are left run for one of the most powerful positions in the world. After looking at the 4 candidates (VP's also), the only one that has come across well is Vance.

[Puckoon]

Saw Kamala on 60 Minutes

Where was Donald?

In fairness He's been doing interviews, shows etc for the past year. Very few people have any idea what Kamala stands for so it was good that someone challenged her to understand if she is fit to be a president.

Fair if you can trot out two, or even one line that suggests Donald J Trump is qualified to be President.

Having held the office before is not even a half a line.

What was clear from the interview is in no way, shape or form is she qualified to be a president. She has flipped on so many issues I have no doubt she will flip on them again if she wins the election (Border, Fracking, Medicare for All, EV mandate, defund the police and so on). I've heard a number of women that are staunch Democrats say that she is an embarrassment to all the smart women in the country that she could be the first female president.

Is there a fundamental difference in flipping on issues, and flat out lying about issues, crime, and slanderous comments? Just, askin for a friend. They're a non fundamentalist, environmentalist.

Looking at what is going on for the past few weeks the Presidential election is down to two choices, vote for Trump or not for Trump. They could run kermit the frog as the "not for Trump" option and he would get >50% of the vote.

It's always been vote for Trump or not vote for Trump. Ever since the Mr McMahon of American wealth and politics got involved it's love or loathe. There is nothing new on this.

It's a sad state that these two are left run for one of the most powerful positions in the world. After looking at the 4 candidates (VP's also), the only one that has come across well is Vance.

It is beyond a sad state. But then again we are the generations that have voted for Walmart, Amazon, Priviatization, and been happy to be the lackies who support the INSANELY wealthy. Christ, it's almost like we are Turkeys who voted for Thanksgiving (to steal an American phrase).

Vance is most certainly the best spoken of the four, but like many before him He too will learn that the day you DON'T do what Donald wants, is the day your career dies. Not to mention his credibility will be gone long before that. I hope he makes his Billions before then.

BTW, Kermit would beat Kamala 53:47. He would beat Trump, well markedly different. 

[Muck Savage]

Saw Kamala on 60 Minutes

Where was Donald?

In fairness He's been doing interviews, shows etc for the past year. Very few people have any idea what Kamala stands for so it was good that someone challenged her to understand if she is fit to be a president.

Fair if you can trot out two, or even one line that suggests Donald J Trump is qualified to be President.

Having held the office before is not even a half a line.

Why do I need to justify anything about Trump? If you dont know what he stands for by now then you will never know
My comment is about trying to understand if Kamala is fit to be president. She has been wrapped up in cotton wool for most of the time she has been nominated, little interviews and only scripted appearances, the last year or more of her VP role they hid her to avoid her meandering talking points that make no sense. This was a good way for voters (me included) to understand if she is capable on her own two feet or not. She clearly failed in my eyes and it's a sad state that this person will get 50%+ of the votes. The democrat party have lost a lot of credibility in many peoples eyes for putting her forward, there were far better candidates that got a lot more votes in the primaries than Kamala did...

Is there a fundamental difference in flipping on issues, and flat out lying about issues, crime, and slanderous comments? Just, askin for a friend. They're a non fundamentalist, environmentalist.

She had an opportunity to put her position across on all of these, say why she held those positions and stand above the BS, but she decided to flip flop and go on her nodding meandering stories. Trump should have stuck to political positions in the debate but couldn't. You try to justify this by saying the other side is lying, that's a cop out "he hit me first". Again, I dont need to justify the lies etc., I'm pointing out her inability to stand by her positions.

Neither of them are credible, Vance was the only one in the past month that seemed a credible candidate on either ticket. With Trumps age, health, poor lifestyle and bullet dodging, well maybe a VP will come into play in the not too distant future.

[J70]

Yeah, it's Trump or not-Trump. I've plenty to say about Vance and Harris, but when Trump is on the ticket, everything else is irrelevant. He is a cancer on American politics and society, with the latest being his lies and fear mongering about FEMA and the Feds supposedly neglecting Republican areas affected by the last hurricane. This shit has real effects on real people trying to help others, and a presidential candidate trying to exploit misery and tragedy and honest attempts to provide help is mining new depths even for a complete, amoral, narcissistic sc**bag with a history like Trump. The Dems could put up one of those cats the poor Haitians were, according to Trump and Vance, eating in Springfield, and it would still be a better option than this f**king antichrist.

[Look-Up!]

You make Trump sound like the perfect fit for America. Wouldn't get too worked up about it. These things, no more so than the blowing to bits of women and children in Palestine, are, how did you put it, not the be all and end all.

[J70]

You make Trump sound like the perfect fit for America. Wouldn't get too worked up about it. These things, no more so than the blowing to bits of women and children in Palestine, are, how did you put it, not the be all and end all.

No, they're not on an individual basis.

But as I was saying in the exchange you are referring to, there are dozens of policies overall which all add up and its not like Trump isn't far more hostile to the Palestinian cause anyway.

Anything else?

[seafoid]

https://www.ft.com/content/4c5c929e-7cbb-4554-bbf7-60a1575f7a9d

Donald Trump had as many as seven conversations with Vladimir Putin after he left the White House, according to explosive reports that raise fresh questions about the former US president's relationship with the Russian leader.

[Look-Up!]

You make Trump sound like the perfect fit for America. Wouldn't get too worked up about it. These things, no more so than the blowing to bits of women and children in Palestine, are, how did you put it, not the be all and end all.

No, they're not on an individual basis.

But as I was saying in the exchange you are referring to, there are dozens of policies overall which all add up and its not like Trump isn't far more hostile to the Palestinian cause anyway.

Anything else?

I understand that but Trump voters have the same right to vote on multiple policies which they see as crucial to their everyday lives without being called every name under the sun and moralised down to. They pay their state and federal taxes too and can do their own additions, regardless if you like the final sum or not.

And this constant predicting of Armageddon if Trump gets in is tiresome. There is Armageddon happening already and no one cares enough to do anything about it.

Bottom line is if Satan ran for president and could guarantee 5 cents off a gallon of gas he would walk an election. That's America. No one holds the moral high ground over there.   

[J70]

You make Trump sound like the perfect fit for America. Wouldn't get too worked up about it. These things, no more so than the blowing to bits of women and children in Palestine, are, how did you put it, not the be all and end all.

No, they're not on an individual basis.

But as I was saying in the exchange you are referring to, there are dozens of policies overall which all add up and its not like Trump isn't far more hostile to the Palestinian cause anyway.

Anything else?

I understand that but Trump voters have the same right to vote on multiple policies which they see as crucial to their everyday lives without being called every name under the sun and moralised down to. They pay their state and federal taxes too and can do their own additions, regardless if you like the final sum or not.

And this constant predicting of Armageddon if Trump gets in is tiresome. There is Armageddon happening already and no one cares enough to do anything about it.

Bottom line is if Satan ran for president and could guarantee 5 cents off a gallon of gas he would walk an election. That's America. No one holds the moral high ground over there. 

Sorry, but I don't accept that.

The GOP is a personality cult. They are currently dominated, from top to bottom, by Trump the man. There are any number of GOP politicians who would deliver most of what Trump offers on a policy basis without the poisonous and hateful rhetoric and fear mongering and the conspiracy theorizing about everything from elections to immigrants eating pets and polluting the gene pool. But they don't want Marco Rubio or Nikki Haley. They don't even want Ron DeSantis, no slouch at the culture war shite himself. Any of those types would probably be walking this election as they are relatively normal politicians who would not alienate so many moderates and independents.

But the GOP base wants Trump because he is a mega-charismatic and effective channeler of hatred for the same groups they hate. They don't care that he literally tried to steal an election and set a mob on the Capitol to prevent the certification of an election and is talking steadily about it being "stolen from him" again. They don't care that he was found liable in a court of law for sexual assault or paying off a porn star to keep her quiet right before an election. They don't care that he introduced a policy to steal young children from immigrant parents. They don't care that he wants to politicize the civil service, a move which would then open up that avenue to the opposition in future. None of it matters, not the corruption, the impeachments, the long list of former cabinet members and other staffers warning against electing him again. The base wants the show and they want to stick to their perceived political enemies.

If this was about policy, they'd have kicked Trump to the curb years ago, instead of enduring defeat after defeat in national elections directly because of him, thereby empowering the Democrats. Even if he scrapes through this election, he will precipitate a GOP wipe-out in coming elections as people are reminded of what daily life under President Trump brings.

[whitey]

The issue for some (maybe many) Republican voters is that they view the Democrats as such such a shower of cvnts (justified to some extent) they will vote for a D bag like Trump every day of the week rather than let a Democrat get elected