The far right

[trueblue1234]

I know the reasons. My point is saying there're coming from a safe country is pointless. It doesn't mean anything. The bordering countries can't take them all, so they were always going to move on.

Does anyone have figures for how much each country is giving refugees? Just to see how Ireland compares? Be interested to see.

You are 100% correct. From a legal and technical standpoint....it means absolutely nothing to say someone came from a safe country

But from an optics standpoint, it could be  an issue for those who are paying for it all

That was kinda my point. It's used by those who want to cast doubt on the refugees as some sort of stick to beat them with and imply they should have stayed where they were.

That is exactly what was said in the article-the Irish Government was implying that some Ukrainians were abusing the system and the Government were using that as justification for decreasing  benefits (and the Ukrainians who wrote the article didn't seem to be pouring cold water on the notion either)

The Irish government weren't implying that. Some "unnamed officials" were. They weren't happy to put their name to the piece to back it up.
That said, I'm not against bringing benefits in line with the rest of Europe. Do you have the figures for what Ireland offer in comparison to rest of Europe?

Lol

You're "not against"

Why wouldn't you be vehemently DEMANDING  they are brought in line?  (but maybe you're just fine with your taxes paying for dog day for people abusing the system)

So why do you think the numbers arriving from Ukraine fell off a Cliff when they changed the benefits package?

Because I think refugees are put through a hell of a lot through no fault of their own based on where they were brought into this world. And if we are in a position to help then I think we should as much as possible. Ireland is in a good place financially, I think we can do our bit.

[trueblue1234]

It's hard to compare like for like, some countries only offer unemployment support for a specified period, probably the way it should be. Some like the UK, which I think is in the minority, offer it for forever and a day

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1321509/monthly-support-per-ukrainian-refugee-europe-by-country/

(This is just a snapshot and not fully comprehensive)

Probably wouldn't include the cost of dog day care or taxpayer funded shipping of car engines back to Ukraine through AnPost)

Is that before they amended it?

[From the Bunker]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1321509/monthly-support-per-ukrainian-refugee-europe-by-country/

(This is just a snapshot and not fully comprehensive)

Probably wouldn't include the cost of dog day care or taxpayer funded shipping of car engines back to Ukraine through AnPost)

A fool and his money are soon parted....
Only Germany ahead of us. And we all know they are still apologising for WW1 and WW2. And probably will have to for a few more generations.

Near neighbours the Austrians were not as Generous (or should I say foolish).

[whitey]

I know the reasons. My point is saying there're coming from a safe country is pointless. It doesn't mean anything. The bordering countries can't take them all, so they were always going to move on.

Does anyone have figures for how much each country is giving refugees? Just to see how Ireland compares? Be interested to see.

You are 100% correct. From a legal and technical standpoint....it means absolutely nothing to say someone came from a safe country

But from an optics standpoint, it could be  an issue for those who are paying for it all

That was kinda my point. It's used by those who want to cast doubt on the refugees as some sort of stick to beat them with and imply they should have stayed where they were.

That is exactly what was said in the article-the Irish Government was implying that some Ukrainians were abusing the system and the Government were using that as justification for decreasing  benefits (and the Ukrainians who wrote the article didn't seem to be pouring cold water on the notion either)

The Irish government weren't implying that. Some "unnamed officials" were. They weren't happy to put their name to the piece to back it up.
That said, I'm not against bringing benefits in line with the rest of Europe. Do you have the figures for what Ireland offer in comparison to rest of Europe?

Lol

You're "not against"

Why wouldn't you be vehemently DEMANDING  they are brought in line?  (but maybe you're just fine with your taxes paying for dog day for people abusing the system)

So why do you think the numbers arriving from Ukraine fell off a Cliff when they changed the benefits package?

Because I think refugees are put through a hell of a lot through no fault of their own based on where they were brought into this world. And if we are in a position to help then I think we should as much as possible. Ireland is in a good place financially, I think we can do our bit.

I think a lot of dogs and cats were also traumatized by the bombing so I would be advocating for taxpayer funded dog and cat psychotherapy and Prozac

I wonder if we could swing emotional support dogs for cats while we are at it

[Itchy]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1321509/monthly-support-per-ukrainian-refugee-europe-by-country/

(This is just a snapshot and not fully comprehensive)

Probably wouldn't include the cost of dog day care or taxpayer funded shipping of car engines back to Ukraine through AnPost)

A fool and his money are soon parted....
Only Germany ahead of us. And we all know they are still apologising for WW1 and WW2. And probably will have to for a few more generations.

Near neighbours the Austrians were not as Generous (or should I say foolish).

Those fees relate to Ukraine, did you know refugees from other countries (the black/muslim ones) get a fraction of that money. I assume you knew that?

[Itchy]

I wonder Bunker do you remember back to 2015

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/02/shocking-image-of-drowned-syrian-boy-shows-tragic-plight-of-refugees

This little boy broke the heart of the Irish people, drowned and washed up on the beach. Our FF/FG MEPs voted not to save these people from drowning. There was an outcry from Irish people when they learned we had taken in 10's of refugees only. At this time Germany and others were taking in 100's of thousands. So we are playing catchup and whether you believe it or not its not even an issue for the vast majority of Irish people.

[burdizzo]

I wonder Bunker do you remember back to 2015

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/02/shocking-image-of-drowned-syrian-boy-shows-tragic-plight-of-refugees

This little boy broke the heart of the Irish people, drowned and washed up on the beach. Our FF/FG MEPs voted not to save these people from drowning. There was an outcry from Irish people when they learned we had taken in 10's of refugees only. At this time Germany and others were taking in 100's of thousands. So we are playing catchup and whether you believe it or not its not even an issue for the vast majority of Irish people.

One of those Syrians stabbed three people to death in Germany at a "festival of diversity" at the weekend. The mood has changed in Germany. The mood has changed all over Europe, and immigration is consistently the most important, or second most important, issue in polls here in Ireland. You can't import large amount of people from a completely alien culture without radically changing your own, and without the problems that causes. The only reason it's actually happening is because there's money to be made out of it by the business and political classes. As for the left - hah! Imagine wanting to undermine wages!? I remember at the time of the Irish Ferries strike about 20 or so years ago, SIPTU tying itself up in knots with phrases like "race to the bottom" over immigrant labour. At least that made sense, but now they wouldn't dare take such a stance, and have consequently lost relevance.

[trueblue1234]

I know the reasons. My point is saying there're coming from a safe country is pointless. It doesn't mean anything. The bordering countries can't take them all, so they were always going to move on.

Does anyone have figures for how much each country is giving refugees? Just to see how Ireland compares? Be interested to see.

You are 100% correct. From a legal and technical standpoint....it means absolutely nothing to say someone came from a safe country

But from an optics standpoint, it could be  an issue for those who are paying for it all

That was kinda my point. It's used by those who want to cast doubt on the refugees as some sort of stick to beat them with and imply they should have stayed where they were.

That is exactly what was said in the article-the Irish Government was implying that some Ukrainians were abusing the system and the Government were using that as justification for decreasing  benefits (and the Ukrainians who wrote the article didn't seem to be pouring cold water on the notion either)

The Irish government weren't implying that. Some "unnamed officials" were. They weren't happy to put their name to the piece to back it up.
That said, I'm not against bringing benefits in line with the rest of Europe. Do you have the figures for what Ireland offer in comparison to rest of Europe?

Lol

You're "not against"

Why wouldn't you be vehemently DEMANDING  they are brought in line?  (but maybe you're just fine with your taxes paying for dog day for people abusing the system)

So why do you think the numbers arriving from Ukraine fell off a Cliff when they changed the benefits package?

Because I think refugees are put through a hell of a lot through no fault of their own based on where they were brought into this world. And if we are in a position to help then I think we should as much as possible. Ireland is in a good place financially, I think we can do our bit.

I think a lot of dogs and cats were also traumatized by the bombing so I would be advocating for taxpayer funded dog and cat psychotherapy and Prozac

I wonder if we could swing emotional support dogs for cats while we are at it

I think we're done.

[Itchy]

I know the reasons. My point is saying there're coming from a safe country is pointless. It doesn't mean anything. The bordering countries can't take them all, so they were always going to move on.

Does anyone have figures for how much each country is giving refugees? Just to see how Ireland compares? Be interested to see.

You are 100% correct. From a legal and technical standpoint....it means absolutely nothing to say someone came from a safe country

But from an optics standpoint, it could be  an issue for those who are paying for it all

That was kinda my point. It's used by those who want to cast doubt on the refugees as some sort of stick to beat them with and imply they should have stayed where they were.

That is exactly what was said in the article-the Irish Government was implying that some Ukrainians were abusing the system and the Government were using that as justification for decreasing  benefits (and the Ukrainians who wrote the article didn't seem to be pouring cold water on the notion either)

The Irish government weren't implying that. Some "unnamed officials" were. They weren't happy to put their name to the piece to back it up.
That said, I'm not against bringing benefits in line with the rest of Europe. Do you have the figures for what Ireland offer in comparison to rest of Europe?

Lol

You're "not against"

Why wouldn't you be vehemently DEMANDING  they are brought in line?  (but maybe you're just fine with your taxes paying for dog day for people abusing the system)

So why do you think the numbers arriving from Ukraine fell off a Cliff when they changed the benefits package?

Because I think refugees are put through a hell of a lot through no fault of their own based on where they were brought into this world. And if we are in a position to help then I think we should as much as possible. Ireland is in a good place financially, I think we can do our bit.

I think a lot of dogs and cats were also traumatized by the bombing so I would be advocating for taxpayer funded dog and cat psychotherapy and Prozac

I wonder if we could swing emotional support dogs for cats while we are at it

I think we're done.

Its good to see he has dropped his ridiculous assertion that people were sending car engines by An Post but unfortunately he is still going on about other ridiculous lies.

[imtommygunn]

Ireland is at a critical juncture. The question now is whether the Irish people will stand up to the forces of the Great Reset and reclaim their country, or whether they will allow themselves to be replaced, their culture erased, and their nation transformed beyond recognition.

I don't know why but this shite just came up on my twitter feed.

It was some "citizen journalist". That has many translations in my head...

[From the Bunker]

I wonder Bunker do you remember back to 2015

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/02/shocking-image-of-drowned-syrian-boy-shows-tragic-plight-of-refugees

This little boy broke the heart of the Irish people, drowned and washed up on the beach. Our FF/FG MEPs voted not to save these people from drowning. There was an outcry from Irish people when they learned we had taken in 10's of refugees only. At this time Germany and others were taking in 100's of thousands. So we are playing catchup and whether you believe it or not its not even an issue for the vast majority of Irish people.

Of course I do and very tragic. One highlighted boy of many that don't get the same attention and come to the same fate.

Now that is on a different tangent of an argument to what we are discussing with Ukrainians. There is helping someone and there is being taken for a ride.

It's in the instinct of people to take advantage.

[Rossfan]

Ireland is at a critical juncture. The question now is whether the Irish people will stand up to the forces of the Great Reset and reclaim their country, or whether they will allow themselves to be replaced, their culture erased, and their nation transformed beyond recognition.

I don't know why but this shite just came up on my twitter feed.

It was some "citizen journalist". That has many translations in my head...

I'd say the p***k who spouted that hasn't dá focal Gaeilge.

[burdizzo]

Ireland is at a critical juncture. The question now is whether the Irish people will stand up to the forces of the Great Reset and reclaim their country, or whether they will allow themselves to be replaced, their culture erased, and their nation transformed beyond recognition.

I don't know why but this shite just came up on my twitter feed.

It was some "citizen journalist". That has many translations in my head...

I'd say the p***k who spouted that hasn't dá focal Gaeilge.

Whereas I'm sure all our lovely immigrants will be fluent in the auld gaeilge!

[From the Bunker]

Ireland is at a critical juncture. The question now is whether the Irish people will stand up to the forces of the Great Reset and reclaim their country, or whether they will allow themselves to be replaced, their culture erased, and their nation transformed beyond recognition.

I don't know why but this shite just came up on my twitter feed.

It was some "citizen journalist". That has many translations in my head...

I'd say the p***k who spouted that hasn't dá focal Gaeilge.

And what has speaking Irish got to do with anything?

[tonto1888]

Ireland is at a critical juncture. The question now is whether the Irish people will stand up to the forces of the Great Reset and reclaim their country, or whether they will allow themselves to be replaced, their culture erased, and their nation transformed beyond recognition.

I don't know why but this shite just came up on my twitter feed.

It was some "citizen journalist". That has many translations in my head...

I'd say the p***k who spouted that hasn't dá focal Gaeilge.

And what has speaking Irish got to do with anything?

Probably the bit about the culture being erased