The far right

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tonto1888

Quote from: whitey on August 05, 2024, 11:53:41 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 05, 2024, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 05, 2024, 09:53:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2024, 09:19:42 AMThere are layers to this and people are getting hijacked and unfortunately for them their views will be lost in the madness that is happening in towns and cities in both Ireland and the UK at the minute.

There are policies in place for migration, immigration and illegal immigration?

So it is on the authorities to carry out their jobs, be it the politicians, civil service and those that process people when they enter the country, there is a poster on here that has a lot better knowledge on how that works than me, and its not an easy task.

Is the process slow? yeah probably, is it being carried out? yeah it is. can it be done quicker? yep, but I'm sure there is a reason as to why it hasn't or is.

Which country in the world, just sends people back to the country they came from illegally or without documentation?

Why are places of worship being attacked? Shops, businesses of people from other countries being burnt, their houses attacked and cars being set on fire?

You'd get a quicker response to sorting things out if you started attacking politicians, but its easier for thugs to put someone's windows in and put of slogans on their walls

As for 100 young males in a town and women being hassled or afraid to walk down the street that is down to local police authorities not making the streets safe, if its found that someone is breaking the law then they like anyone should be dealt with accordingly, but collectively calling the 100 young males potential rapists is just nuts.

These marches were not called for peaceful protest, I hope that anyone arrested will be given harsh sentences with lasting consequences. 

+1
There is this impression the far right like to tout that all immigrants are illegal, rapist, criminals etc as it suits the racist narrative.
I'm sure that there is a criminal element within the immigrant community, but there's a criminal element in every community in this country.
Of those 100 men being referred to, they are more likely to be men who have had to leave their home country to avoid death and persecution than they are to be men who have decided to lets go to Ireland and rape some girls. It's ridiculous.

Where has compassion went? The Irish, in my view, were always a people who based on our own experiences here, were understanding of the plight of others and would do what they could to help. I think the vast majority of us are still like that, but there's a sizeable minority who have become inward looking and downright hateful towards foreign nationals.
I have English work colleagues who have seen the news reports over there and have the impression that Ireland has become aligned to right wing EDL type view.  It's shameful.

Absolutely spot on

Spot on me Swiss roll

I've never read such a pile of virtue signaling manure in my entire life

Oh....look at me....I'm so open minded and liberal

Makes me want to throw up

Enforce the laws that are in place and maybe people won't be so upset

As I said, it is absolutely spot on

tbrick18

Quote from: whitey on August 05, 2024, 11:53:41 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 05, 2024, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 05, 2024, 09:53:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2024, 09:19:42 AMThere are layers to this and people are getting hijacked and unfortunately for them their views will be lost in the madness that is happening in towns and cities in both Ireland and the UK at the minute.

There are policies in place for migration, immigration and illegal immigration?

So it is on the authorities to carry out their jobs, be it the politicians, civil service and those that process people when they enter the country, there is a poster on here that has a lot better knowledge on how that works than me, and its not an easy task.

Is the process slow? yeah probably, is it being carried out? yeah it is. can it be done quicker? yep, but I'm sure there is a reason as to why it hasn't or is.

Which country in the world, just sends people back to the country they came from illegally or without documentation?

Why are places of worship being attacked? Shops, businesses of people from other countries being burnt, their houses attacked and cars being set on fire?

You'd get a quicker response to sorting things out if you started attacking politicians, but its easier for thugs to put someone's windows in and put of slogans on their walls

As for 100 young males in a town and women being hassled or afraid to walk down the street that is down to local police authorities not making the streets safe, if its found that someone is breaking the law then they like anyone should be dealt with accordingly, but collectively calling the 100 young males potential rapists is just nuts.

These marches were not called for peaceful protest, I hope that anyone arrested will be given harsh sentences with lasting consequences. 

+1
There is this impression the far right like to tout that all immigrants are illegal, rapist, criminals etc as it suits the racist narrative.
I'm sure that there is a criminal element within the immigrant community, but there's a criminal element in every community in this country.
Of those 100 men being referred to, they are more likely to be men who have had to leave their home country to avoid death and persecution than they are to be men who have decided to lets go to Ireland and rape some girls. It's ridiculous.

Where has compassion went? The Irish, in my view, were always a people who based on our own experiences here, were understanding of the plight of others and would do what they could to help. I think the vast majority of us are still like that, but there's a sizeable minority who have become inward looking and downright hateful towards foreign nationals.
I have English work colleagues who have seen the news reports over there and have the impression that Ireland has become aligned to right wing EDL type view.  It's shameful.

Absolutely spot on

Spot on me Swiss roll

I've never read such a pile of virtue signaling manure in my entire life

Oh....look at me....I'm so open minded and liberal

Makes me want to throw up

Enforce the laws that are in place and maybe people won't be so upset

100% agree. Enforce the laws that are in place. I'm not sure what immigration laws are being broken though, perhaps you can enlighten me?
All those illegal protestors, rioters, people who are damaging property should all be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Happy now?

whitey

Quote from: tbrick18 on August 05, 2024, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 05, 2024, 11:53:41 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 05, 2024, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 05, 2024, 09:53:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2024, 09:19:42 AMThere are layers to this and people are getting hijacked and unfortunately for them their views will be lost in the madness that is happening in towns and cities in both Ireland and the UK at the minute.

There are policies in place for migration, immigration and illegal immigration?

So it is on the authorities to carry out their jobs, be it the politicians, civil service and those that process people when they enter the country, there is a poster on here that has a lot better knowledge on how that works than me, and its not an easy task.

Is the process slow? yeah probably, is it being carried out? yeah it is. can it be done quicker? yep, but I'm sure there is a reason as to why it hasn't or is.

Which country in the world, just sends people back to the country they came from illegally or without documentation?

Why are places of worship being attacked? Shops, businesses of people from other countries being burnt, their houses attacked and cars being set on fire?

You'd get a quicker response to sorting things out if you started attacking politicians, but its easier for thugs to put someone's windows in and put of slogans on their walls

As for 100 young males in a town and women being hassled or afraid to walk down the street that is down to local police authorities not making the streets safe, if its found that someone is breaking the law then they like anyone should be dealt with accordingly, but collectively calling the 100 young males potential rapists is just nuts.

These marches were not called for peaceful protest, I hope that anyone arrested will be given harsh sentences with lasting consequences. 

+1
There is this impression the far right like to tout that all immigrants are illegal, rapist, criminals etc as it suits the racist narrative.
I'm sure that there is a criminal element within the immigrant community, but there's a criminal element in every community in this country.
Of those 100 men being referred to, they are more likely to be men who have had to leave their home country to avoid death and persecution than they are to be men who have decided to lets go to Ireland and rape some girls. It's ridiculous.

Where has compassion went? The Irish, in my view, were always a people who based on our own experiences here, were understanding of the plight of others and would do what they could to help. I think the vast majority of us are still like that, but there's a sizeable minority who have become inward looking and downright hateful towards foreign nationals.
I have English work colleagues who have seen the news reports over there and have the impression that Ireland has become aligned to right wing EDL type view.  It's shameful.

Absolutely spot on

Spot on me Swiss roll

I've never read such a pile of virtue signaling manure in my entire life

Oh....look at me....I'm so open minded and liberal

Makes me want to throw up

Enforce the laws that are in place and maybe people won't be so upset

100% agree. Enforce the laws that are in place. I'm not sure what immigration laws are being broken though, perhaps you can enlighten me?
All those illegal protestors, rioters, people who are damaging property should all be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Happy now?

Do you live under a rock or are you just winding me up ?

When they cracked down on people arriving without documentation the numbers fell off a Cliff


Why did they need to "crack down"-doesn't that tell you that they weren't enforcing the law to begin with!


https://www.newstalk.com/news/85-of-asylum-seekers-arrive-at-dublin-airport-without-identity-documents-1646914

"I note prosecutions have started, this to be begs an awful lot of questions," Deputy McNamara said.

"Has a political decision now been taken to apply the law here? The Government need to explain their decision"

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Last Man on August 05, 2024, 10:24:07 AM"Rioting is the language of the unherd". No political leadership is the root of this. The "Govt" are pulling all the strings but our useful idiot polititions are just bystanders. They have forgotten that they work for us. Supposed to be a Democracy, remember! This trend of "othering" and the loss of objectivity is the road to hell.

But that's what the rational ordinary fears of some should direct their attentions

I'm all for putting in places and bettering the current legislations for immigration to work quicker, that can only be done by those voted in by the same public giving off about the immigration, and this after brexit was used as a tool to help with illegal immigration! Panto stuff
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Rossfan

Quote from: tbrick18 on August 05, 2024, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 05, 2024, 11:53:41 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 05, 2024, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 05, 2024, 09:53:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2024, 09:19:42 AMThere are layers to this and people are getting hijacked and unfortunately for them their views will be lost in the madness that is happening in towns and cities in both Ireland and the UK at the minute.

There are policies in place for migration, immigration and illegal immigration?

So it is on the authorities to carry out their jobs, be it the politicians, civil service and those that process people when they enter the country, there is a poster on here that has a lot better knowledge on how that works than me, and its not an easy task.

Is the process slow? yeah probably, is it being carried out? yeah it is. can it be done quicker? yep, but I'm sure there is a reason as to why it hasn't or is.

Which country in the world, just sends people back to the country they came from illegally or without documentation?

Why are places of worship being attacked? Shops, businesses of people from other countries being burnt, their houses attacked and cars being set on fire?

You'd get a quicker response to sorting things out if you started attacking politicians, but its easier for thugs to put someone's windows in and put of slogans on their walls

As for 100 young males in a town and women being hassled or afraid to walk down the street that is down to local police authorities not making the streets safe, if its found that someone is breaking the law then they like anyone should be dealt with accordingly, but collectively calling the 100 young males potential rapists is just nuts.

These marches were not called for peaceful protest, I hope that anyone arrested will be given harsh sentences with lasting consequences. 

+1
There is this impression the far right like to tout that all immigrants are illegal, rapist, criminals etc as it suits the racist narrative.
I'm sure that there is a criminal element within the immigrant community, but there's a criminal element in every community in this country.
Of those 100 men being referred to, they are more likely to be men who have had to leave their home country to avoid death and persecution than they are to be men who have decided to lets go to Ireland and rape some girls. It's ridiculous.

Where has compassion went? The Irish, in my view, were always a people who based on our own experiences here, were understanding of the plight of others and would do what they could to help. I think the vast majority of us are still like that, but there's a sizeable minority who have become inward looking and downright hateful towards foreign nationals.
I have English work colleagues who have seen the news reports over there and have the impression that Ireland has become aligned to right wing EDL type view.  It's shameful.

Absolutely spot on

Spot on me Swiss roll

I've never read such a pile of virtue signaling manure in my entire life

Oh....look at me....I'm so open minded and liberal

Makes me want to throw up

Enforce the laws that are in place and maybe people won't be so upset

100% agree. Enforce the laws that are in place. I'm not sure what immigration laws are being broken though, perhaps you can enlighten me?
All those illegal protestors, rioters, people who are damaging property should all be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Happy now?

+1.
The nonsense that "poor put upon misunderstood people" are rioting because the Government is alleged to not be enforcing immigration laws is pure sh1te.
It's just racists defending the indefensible thuggery of scumbags.
Play the game and play it fairly
Play the game like Dermot Earley.

tbrick18

Quote from: whitey on August 05, 2024, 12:18:09 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 05, 2024, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 05, 2024, 11:53:41 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 05, 2024, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 05, 2024, 09:53:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2024, 09:19:42 AMThere are layers to this and people are getting hijacked and unfortunately for them their views will be lost in the madness that is happening in towns and cities in both Ireland and the UK at the minute.

There are policies in place for migration, immigration and illegal immigration?

So it is on the authorities to carry out their jobs, be it the politicians, civil service and those that process people when they enter the country, there is a poster on here that has a lot better knowledge on how that works than me, and its not an easy task.

Is the process slow? yeah probably, is it being carried out? yeah it is. can it be done quicker? yep, but I'm sure there is a reason as to why it hasn't or is.

Which country in the world, just sends people back to the country they came from illegally or without documentation?

Why are places of worship being attacked? Shops, businesses of people from other countries being burnt, their houses attacked and cars being set on fire?

You'd get a quicker response to sorting things out if you started attacking politicians, but its easier for thugs to put someone's windows in and put of slogans on their walls

As for 100 young males in a town and women being hassled or afraid to walk down the street that is down to local police authorities not making the streets safe, if its found that someone is breaking the law then they like anyone should be dealt with accordingly, but collectively calling the 100 young males potential rapists is just nuts.

These marches were not called for peaceful protest, I hope that anyone arrested will be given harsh sentences with lasting consequences. 

+1
There is this impression the far right like to tout that all immigrants are illegal, rapist, criminals etc as it suits the racist narrative.
I'm sure that there is a criminal element within the immigrant community, but there's a criminal element in every community in this country.
Of those 100 men being referred to, they are more likely to be men who have had to leave their home country to avoid death and persecution than they are to be men who have decided to lets go to Ireland and rape some girls. It's ridiculous.

Where has compassion went? The Irish, in my view, were always a people who based on our own experiences here, were understanding of the plight of others and would do what they could to help. I think the vast majority of us are still like that, but there's a sizeable minority who have become inward looking and downright hateful towards foreign nationals.
I have English work colleagues who have seen the news reports over there and have the impression that Ireland has become aligned to right wing EDL type view.  It's shameful.

Absolutely spot on

Spot on me Swiss roll

I've never read such a pile of virtue signaling manure in my entire life

Oh....look at me....I'm so open minded and liberal

Makes me want to throw up

Enforce the laws that are in place and maybe people won't be so upset

100% agree. Enforce the laws that are in place. I'm not sure what immigration laws are being broken though, perhaps you can enlighten me?
All those illegal protestors, rioters, people who are damaging property should all be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Happy now?

Do you live under a rock or are you just winding me up ?

When they cracked down on people arriving without documentation the numbers fell off a Cliff


Why did they need to "crack down"-doesn't that tell you that they weren't enforcing the law to begin with!


https://www.newstalk.com/news/85-of-asylum-seekers-arrive-at-dublin-airport-without-identity-documents-1646914

"I note prosecutions have started, this to be begs an awful lot of questions," Deputy McNamara said.

"Has a political decision now been taken to apply the law here? The Government need to explain their decision"


Ok. So the laws are in place. They are being enforced more stringently now.
Why riot? Why protest? Why burn property? The article shows laws are being enforced today - so what's the excuse today?
Do you agree that those people involved in riotous behaviour and who have damaged property in "protest" should be prosecuted?

clonadmad

Nice to see Loyalists getting back to the day Job of trying to drive people away

https://x.com/kscott_94/status/1820424244125212860?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

Milltown Row2

Quote from: clonadmad on August 05, 2024, 01:44:33 PMNice to see Loyalists getting back to the day Job of trying to drive people away

https://x.com/kscott_94/status/1820424244125212860?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

Driving immigrants and nationalist away, probably a bridge too far at the weekend waving Irish flegs so needs to wash that outta their system by planting bombs at GAA grounds
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

weareros

Are there any names or faces to the tri-colour waving lads who went drinking with the UDA afterwards? I hope their faces are broadcast the length and breath of Ireland.

theskull1

Don't discount the possibility (you decide how remote a possibility) of intelligence agencies encouraging individuals to fan flames when they want to develop a narrative. Tommy Robinson to my eye for instance looks to be bought and paid by someone.

It's a lot easier to sing karaoke than to sing opera

Last Man

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2024, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: Last Man on August 05, 2024, 10:24:07 AM"Rioting is the language of the unherd". No political leadership is the root of this. The "Govt" are pulling all the strings but our useful idiot polititions are just bystanders. They have forgotten that they work for us. Supposed to be a Democracy, remember! This trend of "othering" and the loss of objectivity is the road to hell.

But that's what the rational ordinary fears of some should direct their attentions

I'm all for putting in places and bettering the current legislations for immigration to work quicker, that can only be done by those voted in by the same public giving off about the immigration, and this after brexit was used as a tool to help with illegal immigration! Panto stuff
You'll get this. Most systems prefer to operate by design in a state of homeostasis but cranking the 6 inch valve full open when the 1/2 inch just needed cracked leads to one thing, the saftey valve blows! So the question is back things off a bit and figure out what is going wrong or just let it rip??

NAG1

Quote from: Last Man on August 05, 2024, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2024, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: Last Man on August 05, 2024, 10:24:07 AM"Rioting is the language of the unherd". No political leadership is the root of this. The "Govt" are pulling all the strings but our useful idiot polititions are just bystanders. They have forgotten that they work for us. Supposed to be a Democracy, remember! This trend of "othering" and the loss of objectivity is the road to hell.

But that's what the rational ordinary fears of some should direct their attentions

I'm all for putting in places and bettering the current legislations for immigration to work quicker, that can only be done by those voted in by the same public giving off about the immigration, and this after brexit was used as a tool to help with illegal immigration! Panto stuff
You'll get this. Most systems prefer to operate by design in a state of homeostasis but cranking the 6 inch valve full open when the 1/2 inch just needed cracked leads to one thing, the saftey valve blows! So the question is back things off a bit and figure out what is going wrong or just let it rip??

It's only going to take a couple of these opposing groups to collide and it really could kick things off massively.

Going by some of the videos on I've seen on social media over the weekend, the Muslim groups are not empty handed when gathering up.

burdizzo

Not at all. Bolton; Muslim Defence League in uniform on the streets, paramilitary-like. Let's see how THAT'S policed. Ah yes, multiculturalism - so sweet.

clonadmad

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2024, 02:38:14 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 05, 2024, 01:44:33 PMNice to see Loyalists getting back to the day Job of trying to drive people away

https://x.com/kscott_94/status/1820424244125212860?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

Driving immigrants and nationalist away, probably a bridge too far at the weekend waving Irish flegs so needs to wash that outta their system by planting bombs at GAA grounds

Back to Business as usual

The scum of the earth and our cohort of led by the nose morons in their loyalist dens drinking with them

It's a pity the hosts didn't give them a re enactment of Lenny Murphy in his heyday

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Last Man on August 05, 2024, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2024, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: Last Man on August 05, 2024, 10:24:07 AM"Rioting is the language of the unherd". No political leadership is the root of this. The "Govt" are pulling all the strings but our useful idiot polititions are just bystanders. They have forgotten that they work for us. Supposed to be a Democracy, remember! This trend of "othering" and the loss of objectivity is the road to hell.

But that's what the rational ordinary fears of some should direct their attentions

I'm all for putting in places and bettering the current legislations for immigration to work quicker, that can only be done by those voted in by the same public giving off about the immigration, and this after brexit was used as a tool to help with illegal immigration! Panto stuff
You'll get this. Most systems prefer to operate by design in a state of homeostasis but cranking the 6 inch valve full open when the 1/2 inch just needed cracked leads to one thing, the saftey valve blows! So the question is back things off a bit and figure out what is going wrong or just let it rip??

There is no instruction manual to fix this, as we never really had any issues with the system, it flowed well until the bottle neck created a problem.

I'm not going to use a hammer to crack a nut, and being an ex shipyard man, that's generally how we fixed it, it requires looking at the manual and applying the proper procedures otherwise we have a continued escalating problem.  ;)
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.