If Galway win the All Ireland

armaghniac · July 19, 2024, 12:21:13 AM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2024, 12:11:42 AMIf it wasn't Dublin in those finals Mayo probably have lost to someone else as was the case in 2012,2021 with losing to Donegal,Tyrone.

No, Dublin in their prime were a fine team, Mayo would have beaten a more usual team at some stage.

Manning18 · July 19, 2024, 12:36:07 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 18, 2024, 11:08:46 PMMayo had the unfortunate luck of running into the strongest Dublin team of all time. They had been about now, Galway or Armagh would been seen as having little hope against them.Saying that, Mayo should beat Meath in 1996 twice.

Galway beat Mayo in championship in 2016, 2017 and 2018. That Galway team wouldn't get next or near this current version

The Mayo losses to the dubs were admirable at the time for how close they ran them. They were also somewhat outliers. Outside of the losses to Galway, there was draws to D4 teams like Derry in the qualifiers, contentious decisions to scrape by Fermanagh, draw with Roscommon in Croker etc.

Plenty of dubs players in media since, while being completely respectful towards mayo, thought Dublin completely underperformed in some of those close Mayo games at the time. Got the tactics wrong and lost control. The 7 point Dublin win in 2015, and the 12 point hammering in 2019 being the occasions they got it right

Armagh18 · July 19, 2024, 01:09:29 AM

Don't know if that Mayo team would have hit the same heights. Both those teams seemed to bring the best out of each other, Mayo seemed to play to the level of the opposition at times. Remember they struggled past us in maybe 2019 and Derry near caught them as well and obviously didn't win Connacht a good few years with that team.

Wildweasel74 · July 19, 2024, 01:38:41 AM

Nobody else could put it up to Dublin in the same time period,I think Mayo would won a couple.

Blowitupref · July 19, 2024, 01:53:24 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 19, 2024, 01:38:41 AMNobody else could put it up to Dublin in the same time period,I think Mayo would won a couple.

Kerry did, 2016 All Ireland semi final it took two added time points for Dublin to prevail, was one score between the two in the 2015 final and took a replay to win the 2019 final.

Tubberman · July 19, 2024, 06:52:22 AM

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 18, 2024, 11:33:06 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 18, 2024, 11:08:46 PMMayo had the unfortunate luck of running into the strongest Dublin team of all time. They had been about now, Galway or Armagh would been seen as having little hope against them.Saying that, Mayo should beat Meath in 1996 twice.

Would Mayo have won an All Ireland if that Dublin team didn't exist? I'm not so sure.

I think that Dublin team brought the best out in Mayo.

Mayo struggled in a lot of games in the lead up to some of those finals.

Games v Derry and fermanagh spring to mind. Needing extra time to beat Cork and Derry, a replay v Roscommon.

Didn't win Connacht in 2016 or 2017.

Was incredible how they could compete with Dublin at all. They were an incredibly athletic team and could match Dublin physically which many teams couldn't at the time.

Galway needed an injury time goal to beat Sligo this year and similarly against Westmeath.

SouthOfThe Bann · July 19, 2024, 10:34:57 AM

Quote from: Tubberman on July 19, 2024, 06:52:22 AM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 18, 2024, 11:33:06 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 18, 2024, 11:08:46 PMMayo had the unfortunate luck of running into the strongest Dublin team of all time. They had been about now, Galway or Armagh would been seen as having little hope against them.Saying that, Mayo should beat Meath in 1996 twice.

Would Mayo have won an All Ireland if that Dublin team didn't exist? I'm not so sure.

I think that Dublin team brought the best out in Mayo.

Mayo struggled in a lot of games in the lead up to some of those finals.

Games v Derry and fermanagh spring to mind. Needing extra time to beat Cork and Derry, a replay v Roscommon.

Didn't win Connacht in 2016 or 2017.

Was incredible how they could compete with Dublin at all. They were an incredibly athletic team and could match Dublin physically which many teams couldn't at the time.

Galway needed an injury time goal to beat Sligo this year and similarly against Westmeath.

That is true but they werent do or die games. Galway would still have been in the championship if they lost those. Westmeath have proved tricky opposition for whoever they have played.

Cortoon · July 19, 2024, 11:11:37 AM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2024, 12:11:42 AM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 18, 2024, 11:33:06 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 18, 2024, 11:08:46 PMMayo had the unfortunate luck of running into the strongest Dublin team of all time. They had been about now, Galway or Armagh would been seen as having little hope against them.Saying that, Mayo should beat Meath in 1996 twice.

Would Mayo have won an All Ireland if that Dublin team didn't exist? I'm not so sure.

I think that Dublin team brought the best out in Mayo.

Mayo struggled in a lot of games in the lead up to some of those finals.

Games v Derry and fermanagh spring to mind. Needing extra time to beat Cork and Derry, a replay v Roscommon.

Didn't win Connacht in 2016 or 2017.

Was incredible how they could compete with Dublin at all. They were an incredibly athletic team and could match Dublin physically which many teams couldn't at the time.

If it wasn't Dublin in those finals Mayo probably have lost to someone else as was the case in 2012,2021 with losing to Donegal,Tyrone.

Yes, in 2021 Mayo had a chance to win the easiest All Ireland in living memory and couldn't close the deal.

Captain Obvious · July 19, 2024, 11:19:45 AM

Quote from: armaghniac on July 19, 2024, 12:21:13 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2024, 12:11:42 AMIf it wasn't Dublin in those finals Mayo probably have lost to someone else as was the case in 2012,2021 with losing to Donegal,Tyrone.

No, Dublin in their prime were a fine team, Mayo would have beaten a more usual team at some stage.

Some of those final performances by Dublin was average, they simply capitalised on the Mayo errors and lack of displine to get over the line. Vaughan for example getting himself sent off.

imtommygunn · July 19, 2024, 11:22:21 AM

I always believed Mayo would have beat Dublin some of those years pre the final. There was one year, they all blur into one, Gavin dropped Connolly, Brogan and maybe one other and you'd the likes of O'Gara on who wouldn't be as good. Dublin were there for the taking.

The Tyrone game for me was their kicker for me. You could tell very early on in that game there wasn't the belief in them to win it forgetting ability and Tyrone were pretty ruthless with them.

SouthOfThe Bann · July 19, 2024, 11:38:53 AM

Mayo also hadn't an All Ireland winning forward line.

However they had arguably the best and most dangerous half back line of all time.

Rossfan · July 19, 2024, 12:51:48 PM

HB line plus Higgins drove them.
Only 1 forward though in "Elbows", which was their downfall.

imtommygunn · July 19, 2024, 01:05:58 PM

Very comparable to the derry team now.

JoG2 · July 19, 2024, 04:15:39 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2024, 12:51:48 PMHB line plus Higgins drove them.
Only 1 forward though in "Elbows", which was their downfall.

And not forgetting a former 'player of the year' of course

From the Bunker · July 19, 2024, 04:28:59 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2024, 12:11:42 AMIf it wasn't Dublin in those finals Mayo probably have lost to someone else as was the case in 2012,2021 with losing to Donegal,Tyrone.

Those finals just proved that anyone could beat Mayo. Maybe Dublin just were not as good as they were made out to be.