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[God14]

It's looking increasingly likely that RG will return. The saga in Kildare I believe has sped up the situation as they have supposedly approached him. I have a feeling our Co. Board may have had a word with Micky and told him his job was untenable and gave him the opportunity to step down himself and in return clearing the way for the return of RG. His appearance at ulster minor final sitting alongside prominent Co. Board members appears to have been no accident. His return no doubt will spark controversy but one must remember that he has won a case against Ulster Gaa through the DRA so technically nothing can stop him returning. The court of social media will undoubtedly be a cess pit of infighting among derry fans and probably finger pointing from other counties as well towards derry for reinstating him. Was rory employed by a company or what way did this affect his working life? Did he lose his job of employment over the allegations or did employer stick by him? I genuinely don't know and I'm interested to know. Or was the employer legally obliged to sack him due to allegations or place him on leave pending investigation? Once the PSNI and Gardai confirmed there was insufficient evidence did that allow the return to work or did employer distance themselves due to the social media storm? All questions I'd imagine our Co. Board must be asking?

yes his employer stuck by him as he's still currently working with them.

That's not the case

[HiMucker]

I find it hard to believe that with all that is known about Gallagher so many people would be ok with having him back. Hopefully there are enough players with principles will say they will have nothing to do with it. I'd say Ladies players who play for the County will vote with their feet and rightly so.

I find it hard to believe that so many people "know" so much about Gallagher.
Reading social media is not knowing.
The only facts I "know" is that his ex made the public allegation, gallagher wasnt charged and the GAA have lifted any ban.
What else do people know?
I've said before, if he was found guilty of something I'd be the first man calling to get rid of him and that's it's jail he should be in. But the court of social media doesnt wash with me.

Any decision made should be a footballing decision.
Or else Central GAA need to issue regulations around participation, in any manner, for anyone with any type of criminal history or accusations made against them. It would have to apply to players, management, boards, clubs, counties etc.

I find it hard to believe that with all that is known about Gallagher so many people would be ok with having him back. Hopefully there are enough players with principles will say they will have nothing to do with it. I'd say Ladies players who play for the County will vote with their feet and rightly so.

I find it hard to believe that so many people "know" so much about Gallagher.
Reading social media is not knowing.
The only facts I "know" is that his ex made the public allegation, gallagher wasnt charged and the GAA have lifted any ban.
What else do people know?
I've said before, if he was found guilty of something I'd be the first man calling to get rid of him and that's it's jail he should be in. But the court of social media doesnt wash with me.

Any decision made should be a footballing decision.
Or else Central GAA need to issue regulations around participation, in any manner, for anyone with any type of criminal history or accusations made against them. It would have to apply to players, management, boards, clubs, counties etc.

One of the things his ex wife said was that when they were younger he beat her on a night out in front of other people. One of those people had to take her to hospital as she was badly injured. That person is the wife of a former Fermanagh player I believe, that hadnt spoken to her in years who then went on to corroborate her story. You can be as near as certain as possible that that is true. And say you want to be believe thats the only thing thats true, and Derry GAA would be well within their rights to appoint him, is that someone you would be OK with being the figurehead of Derry GAA? Never mind the fact hes never once denied or refuted any of the allegations made.
I wonder do any of the people quick to dismiss the allegations in relation to RG, be of the same opinion if they had a friend or family member that was a victim of domestic violence?

[seanyb]

It's looking increasingly likely that RG will return. The saga in Kildare I believe has sped up the situation as they have supposedly approached him. I have a feeling our Co. Board may have had a word with Micky and told him his job was untenable and gave him the opportunity to step down himself and in return clearing the way for the return of RG. His appearance at ulster minor final sitting alongside prominent Co. Board members appears to have been no accident. His return no doubt will spark controversy but one must remember that he has won a case against Ulster Gaa through the DRA so technically nothing can stop him returning. The court of social media will undoubtedly be a cess pit of infighting among derry fans and probably finger pointing from other counties as well towards derry for reinstating him. Was rory employed by a company or what way did this affect his working life? Did he lose his job of employment over the allegations or did employer stick by him? I genuinely don't know and I'm interested to know. Or was the employer legally obliged to sack him due to allegations or place him on leave pending investigation? Once the PSNI and Gardai confirmed there was insufficient evidence did that allow the return to work or did employer distance themselves due to the social media storm? All questions I'd imagine our Co. Board must be asking?

yes his employer stuck by him as he's still currently working with them.

That's not the case

explain?

[God14]

He was employed by a well known recruitment company, specialising in construction trades at the time
He's no longer employed by them. I've no idea why or how etc I'm just pointing out your wrong to say he's still with the same crowd

[seanyb]

He was employed by a well known recruitment company, specialising in construction trades at the time
He's no longer employed by them. I've no idea why or how etc I'm just pointing out your wrong to say he's still with the same crowd

he is still with them lol

[LoughNeagh]

if the posts on the page are just a sample of public opinion, then that's just an indication that any return to that man is a wrong choice.

and I'd hazard a guess that most people on this forum are middle aged men - I'm saying this not as a dig but you'd have to guess the opinion of a lot of women will be stronger about his return.

again, possible protests, targets against sponsors.

a PR nightmare.

It is not worth it.

If he did return, he'd HAVE to win an All-Ireland, so the pressure will be increased on him and the players and the county board.

also every county will be against Derry even more so because of it, they will have ammo to annoy players, supports and want to see them beat!

It would not be worth it! More forward with some respect!!!

[tbrick18]

I find it hard to believe that with all that is known about Gallagher so many people would be ok with having him back. Hopefully there are enough players with principles will say they will have nothing to do with it. I'd say Ladies players who play for the County will vote with their feet and rightly so.

I find it hard to believe that so many people "know" so much about Gallagher.
Reading social media is not knowing.
The only facts I "know" is that his ex made the public allegation, gallagher wasnt charged and the GAA have lifted any ban.
What else do people know?
I've said before, if he was found guilty of something I'd be the first man calling to get rid of him and that's it's jail he should be in. But the court of social media doesnt wash with me.

Any decision made should be a footballing decision.
Or else Central GAA need to issue regulations around participation, in any manner, for anyone with any type of criminal history or accusations made against them. It would have to apply to players, management, boards, clubs, counties etc.

I find it hard to believe that with all that is known about Gallagher so many people would be ok with having him back. Hopefully there are enough players with principles will say they will have nothing to do with it. I'd say Ladies players who play for the County will vote with their feet and rightly so.

I find it hard to believe that so many people "know" so much about Gallagher.
Reading social media is not knowing.
The only facts I "know" is that his ex made the public allegation, gallagher wasnt charged and the GAA have lifted any ban.
What else do people know?
I've said before, if he was found guilty of something I'd be the first man calling to get rid of him and that's it's jail he should be in. But the court of social media doesnt wash with me.

Any decision made should be a footballing decision.
Or else Central GAA need to issue regulations around participation, in any manner, for anyone with any type of criminal history or accusations made against them. It would have to apply to players, management, boards, clubs, counties etc.

One of the things his ex wife said was that when they were younger he beat her on a night out in front of other people. One of those people had to take her to hospital as she was badly injured. That person is the wife of a former Fermanagh player I believe, that hadnt spoken to her in years who then went on to corroborate her story. You can be as near as certain as possible that that is true. And say you want to be believe thats the only thing thats true, and Derry GAA would be well within their rights to appoint him, is that someone you would be OK with being the figurehead of Derry GAA? Never mind the fact hes never once denied or refuted any of the allegations made.
I wonder do any of the people quick to dismiss the allegations in relation to RG, be of the same opinion if they had a friend or family member that was a victim of domestic violence?

Just to be clear, I'm not dismissing any of it.
I fully get the gravity of the allegations - but I've a couple of issues with what you've said there.
When you say he's never denied or refuted allegations - we don't know that. Just because he hasn't come out onto social media to deny it, doesn't mean he hasn't to the authorities. He's under no obligation to put anything into the public domain.
You use language like "I believe" and "as certain as possible"....for me that's dangerous as that gets translated as facts.
But I fully take your point - it is a risk to take him back, both in terms of PR and in footballing terms.
The point I've been trying to make, maybe not very well, is that any decisions should be based around what is actually known and not on what the online massess believe or what they've heard.

[tyrone08]

I have been up to killybegs a number of times over the past 10 years. It always stuck me that when i talked to anyone about rory when i was watching football there was a very poor opinion of him up there, this was years before the allegations.

His partner at that time was from there and no one had a good word to say about rory

[seanyb]

Declan Bogue never far away from things has said below in todays article of the 42 https://www.the42.ie/mickey-harte-derry-county-board-management-6431212-Jul2024/

Whoever it will be, it won't be Rory Gallagher. The issues that stopped him being the Derry manager have now been legally resolved. He is free to manage whoever appoints him.

But that's a river Derry are not going to cross this time.

[ONEDerry]

I find it hard to believe that with all that is known about Gallagher so many people would be ok with having him back. Hopefully there are enough players with principles will say they will have nothing to do with it. I'd say Ladies players who play for the County will vote with their feet and rightly so.

I find it hard to believe that so many people "know" so much about Gallagher.
Reading social media is not knowing.
The only facts I "know" is that his ex made the public allegation, gallagher wasnt charged and the GAA have lifted any ban.
What else do people know?
I've said before, if he was found guilty of something I'd be the first man calling to get rid of him and that's it's jail he should be in. But the court of social media doesnt wash with me.

Any decision made should be a footballing decision.
Or else Central GAA need to issue regulations around participation, in any manner, for anyone with any type of criminal history or accusations made against them. It would have to apply to players, management, boards, clubs, counties etc.

I know enough and not just from social media chat what sort of bucko that fella is. I can't put on social media how I know or what way I think he should be handled. Derry GAA is in the gutter if they bring him back in. But look if people are OK with that it's up to them.

[JoG2]

I find it hard to believe that with all that is known about Gallagher so many people would be ok with having him back. Hopefully there are enough players with principles will say they will have nothing to do with it. I'd say Ladies players who play for the County will vote with their feet and rightly so.

I find it hard to believe that so many people "know" so much about Gallagher.
Reading social media is not knowing.
The only facts I "know" is that his ex made the public allegation, gallagher wasnt charged and the GAA have lifted any ban.
What else do people know?
I've said before, if he was found guilty of something I'd be the first man calling to get rid of him and that's it's jail he should be in. But the court of social media doesnt wash with me.

Any decision made should be a footballing decision.
Or else Central GAA need to issue regulations around participation, in any manner, for anyone with any type of criminal history or accusations made against them. It would have to apply to players, management, boards, clubs, counties etc.

I know enough and not just from social media chat what sort of bucko that fella is. I can't put on social media how I know or what way I think he should be handled. Derry GAA is in the gutter if they bring him back in. But look if people are OK with that it's up to them.

You're proving tbricks point here

[93-DY-SAM]

I find it hard to believe that with all that is known about Gallagher so many people would be ok with having him back. Hopefully there are enough players with principles will say they will have nothing to do with it. I'd say Ladies players who play for the County will vote with their feet and rightly so.

I find it hard to believe that so many people "know" so much about Gallagher.
Reading social media is not knowing.
The only facts I "know" is that his ex made the public allegation, gallagher wasnt charged and the GAA have lifted any ban.
What else do people know?
I've said before, if he was found guilty of something I'd be the first man calling to get rid of him and that's it's jail he should be in. But the court of social media doesnt wash with me.

Any decision made should be a footballing decision.
Or else Central GAA need to issue regulations around participation, in any manner, for anyone with any type of criminal history or accusations made against them. It would have to apply to players, management, boards, clubs, counties etc.

I know enough and not just from social media chat what sort of bucko that fella is. I can't put on social media how I know or what way I think he should be handled. Derry GAA is in the gutter if they bring him back in. But look if people are OK with that it's up to them.

You're proving tbricks point here

Hard to argue with tbrick. If boys were so sure of their "facts" they'd have no issue posting them.

[GTP]

"Never mind the fact hes never once denied or refuted any of the allegations made"
J Donaldson has refuted allegations against him, it makes absolutely no difference as to whether he goes on trial or not is guilty or not and if he gets his old jobs back.
Derry GAA have not appointed RG and if they do, then people can decide to condemn them or not for appointing an alleged domestic abuser. Save your anger for if it happens.

[ONEDerry]

I find it hard to believe that with all that is known about Gallagher so many people would be ok with having him back. Hopefully there are enough players with principles will say they will have nothing to do with it. I'd say Ladies players who play for the County will vote with their feet and rightly so.

I find it hard to believe that so many people "know" so much about Gallagher.
Reading social media is not knowing.
The only facts I "know" is that his ex made the public allegation, gallagher wasnt charged and the GAA have lifted any ban.
What else do people know?
I've said before, if he was found guilty of something I'd be the first man calling to get rid of him and that's it's jail he should be in. But the court of social media doesnt wash with me.

Any decision made should be a footballing decision.
Or else Central GAA need to issue regulations around participation, in any manner, for anyone with any type of criminal history or accusations made against them. It would have to apply to players, management, boards, clubs, counties etc.

I know enough and not just from social media chat what sort of bucko that fella is. I can't put on social media how I know or what way I think he should be handled. Derry GAA is in the gutter if they bring him back in. But look if people are OK with that it's up to them.

You're proving tbricks point here

Hard to argue with tbrick. If boys were so sure of their "facts" they'd have no issue posting them.

Right didn't realise this was a court and not discussion forum. Sure go ahead put your man in and create more division.

[tbrick18]

"Never mind the fact hes never once denied or refuted any of the allegations made"
J Donaldson has refuted allegations against him, it makes absolutely no difference as to whether he goes on trial or not is guilty or not and if he gets his old jobs back.
Derry GAA have not appointed RG and if they do, then people can decide to condemn them or not for appointing an alleged domestic abuser. Save your anger for if it happens.

The Donaldson comparison is an interesting one.
For me personally, I've heard stories as to what he has allegedly done, AND I tend to believe them. Thinking about it, that's my own unconscious bias making me feel that way - but I dont know any actual facts. Though the fact its going to court tends to suggest there must be evidence that backs up the allegations.
So yes it's easy to get caught up in the sentiment - not so easy to separate the sentiment from known facts.

I don't begrudge anyone their feelings or opinions on the RG scenario and certainly wouldn't fall out with anyone over it either. For me, I try to base decisions on what I actually know rather than what I've heard.

Could all be a moot point though, as you say he hasn't been appointed and all we know is that there are rumours he might be.
We could get up tomorrow with Mal O'Rourke as the new manager and we'd all be happy.

That was a bit more philosophical than I expected