Tailteann Cup 2024

Started by Captain Scarlet, May 03, 2024, 01:46:02 PM

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Rossfan

The 2 grouches dont want the little Counties or the Club players playing in Croke Park.
They'll want Santy abolished next.
Play the game and play it fairly
Play the game like Dermot Earley.

thewobbler

Quote from: Rossfan on June 21, 2024, 08:04:58 PMThe 2 grouches dont want the little Counties or the Club players playing in Croke Park.
They'll want Santy abolished next.

Such a needy individual you are.

This has nothing do with little counties.

Nobody should play in empty stadia. That very much includes Dublin.

Genuine supporters should not have the hassle of going to Dublin to sit in an empty , soulless stadium.

Tailteann semis should be a straight up coin toss for home advantage.

Anything else is daft.



Milltown Row2

Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2024, 08:44:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 21, 2024, 08:04:58 PMThe 2 grouches dont want the little Counties or the Club players playing in Croke Park.
They'll want Santy abolished next.

Such a needy individual you are.

This has nothing do with little counties.

Nobody should play in empty stadia. That very much includes Dublin.

Genuine supporters should not have the hassle of going to Dublin to sit in an empty , soulless stadium.

Tailteann semis should be a straight up coin toss for home advantage.

Anything else is daft.




The final wouldn't bring a 40 plus crowd so play that in Páirc Tailteann, oh wait that's not a bad idea..

Ask those players on Sunday where would they prefer to plsy
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Duine Inteacht Eile

From what I've picked up, Antrim people are more inclined to attend this game because it is in Croke Park, rather than had it been fixed for Corrigan Park.

Down people are used to, or at least remember, watching their county at Croke Park on the biggest days and I can understand how these games can drift into the meaningless, unnecessary for them.

It's not like that for counties like Antrim. We go to Croke Park often but usually to watch other counties. This doesn't happen often. Unlike Down, we don't really expect to ever get the big day out in Croke Park. So, it means something.

snoopdog

If it was promoted properly or at all. It would get a decent crowd. No promotion whatsoever.

Captain Obvious

Quote from: snoopdog on June 21, 2024, 09:50:22 PMIf it was promoted properly or at all. It would get a decent crowd. No promotion whatsoever.
Year three and the fizz has gone out of this competition it appears and lack of promotion has played it's part in that.  A case to be made to play the semi final double header in a smaller stadium and then play the final in Croke Park. 

Like how table toppers get home advantage for the Quarter finals I think it should be the same for the Sam Maguire Quarter finals instead of Croke Park.


The Boy Wonder

I think that the obvious answer is to pair the Tailteann Cup Semi-Finals with the All-Ireland (Sam Maguire) Semi-Finals and the Tailteann Cup Final as curtain-raiser to All-Ireland Final.

(It is a pity that minor grade was changed from U-18 to U-17 and we no longer have an opportunity to see the emerging talent at minor level).

Armagh18

Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2024, 06:49:35 PMI've said it before and I'll say it forever.

When youngsters grow up dreaming about playing in Croke Park, that dream will ALWAYS be based a full house.

The notion peddled around the GAA that playing in Croke in itself is a reward for all the hours put in, is pure and utter romantic drivel.

These games have no business being in Croke. It's a charade.

Theres a good crowd of lads not too far from who'd tell you they'd the best experience of their lives in a fairly empty Croker not so long ago so tbh your view is ridiculous.

thewobbler

Quote from: Armagh18 on June 21, 2024, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2024, 06:49:35 PMI've said it before and I'll say it forever.

When youngsters grow up dreaming about playing in Croke Park, that dream will ALWAYS be based a full house.

The notion peddled around the GAA that playing in Croke in itself is a reward for all the hours put in, is pure and utter romantic drivel.

These games have no business being in Croke. It's a charade.

Theres a good crowd of lads not too far from who'd tell you they'd the best experience of their lives in a fairly empty Croker not so long ago so tbh your view is ridiculous.

You're confusing the occasion with the stadium.

The former is a career defining moment. The latter is irrelevant.

Milltown Row2

The stadium is the occasion

The defining memory of a player is to play a championship game there

A family member to witness a son daughter mom or dad

Again it's your opinion and that's ok

I think it's you that's confusing things with having a full stadium or playing at Croke.

So is half Croke ok as in less a half empty stadium?

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Armagh18

Quote from: thewobbler on June 22, 2024, 12:12:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 21, 2024, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2024, 06:49:35 PMI've said it before and I'll say it forever.

When youngsters grow up dreaming about playing in Croke Park, that dream will ALWAYS be based a full house.

The notion peddled around the GAA that playing in Croke in itself is a reward for all the hours put in, is pure and utter romantic drivel.

These games have no business being in Croke. It's a charade.

Theres a good crowd of lads not too far from who'd tell you they'd the best experience of their lives in a fairly empty Croker not so long ago so tbh your view is ridiculous.

You're confusing the occasion with the stadium.

The former is a career defining moment. The latter is irrelevant.
They'll always remember it being in Croker. Why would you deny that to lads? Most of them will never get the chance to play in it

thewobbler

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 21, 2024, 08:59:43 PMFrom what I've picked up, Antrim people are more inclined to attend this game because it is in Croke Park, rather than had it been fixed for Corrigan Park.

Down people are used to, or at least remember, watching their county at Croke Park on the biggest days and I can understand how these games can drift into the meaningless, unnecessary for them.

It's not like that for counties like Antrim. We go to Croke Park often but usually to watch other counties. This doesn't happen often. Unlike Down, we don't really expect to ever get the big day out in Croke Park. So, it means something.

This is entirely a fair point.

But I would temper it with this.

In my adult life (turned 18 in 1995) Down have never won an Ulster title (let alone an AI). Yet we've been to Croke around 15 times during those 30 years. D1 finals, D2 finals, D3 final. AI last 12, 8, semi, final. Tailtean.

We've got there all those times yet we've just been average throughout. Just bang average. That's not cruel or condescending, it's the reality of where we are, where we have been for a long time.

The only games that were enjoyable in Croke during that time were in the AI run in 2010. (Mostly) full houses and jeopardy football.

Every other appearance has just been dull. Teams playing within themselves, not really sure if it's important.

Dull.

I can't go to Dublin anymore to be dulled.

Put most of those games in the right stadium - eg Armagh - and the atmosphere would have made it less dull. Might even have made it enjoyable.

But f**k going to Dublin for a "day out" to lose the will for football.


thewobbler

Quote from: Armagh18 on June 22, 2024, 12:20:14 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 22, 2024, 12:12:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 21, 2024, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2024, 06:49:35 PMI've said it before and I'll say it forever.

When youngsters grow up dreaming about playing in Croke Park, that dream will ALWAYS be based a full house.

The notion peddled around the GAA that playing in Croke in itself is a reward for all the hours put in, is pure and utter romantic drivel.

These games have no business being in Croke. It's a charade.

Theres a good crowd of lads not too far from who'd tell you they'd the best experience of their lives in a fairly empty Croker not so long ago so tbh your view is ridiculous.

You're confusing the occasion with the stadium.

The former is a career defining moment. The latter is irrelevant.
They'll always remember it being in Croker. Why would you deny that to lads? Most of them will never get the chance to play in it

I do wonder.

Honestly.

Winning a championship has nothing to do with the venue.

Getting to play at Croke Park is not the goal.

Winning an all Ireland is the goal.




Milltown Row2

Quote from: thewobbler on June 22, 2024, 12:26:45 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 22, 2024, 12:20:14 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 22, 2024, 12:12:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 21, 2024, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2024, 06:49:35 PMI've said it before and I'll say it forever.

When youngsters grow up dreaming about playing in Croke Park, that dream will ALWAYS be based a full house.

The notion peddled around the GAA that playing in Croke in itself is a reward for all the hours put in, is pure and utter romantic drivel.

These games have no business being in Croke. It's a charade.

Theres a good crowd of lads not too far from who'd tell you they'd the best experience of their lives in a fairly empty Croker not so long ago so tbh your view is ridiculous.

You're confusing the occasion with the stadium.

The former is a career defining moment. The latter is irrelevant.
They'll always remember it being in Croker. Why would you deny that to lads? Most of them will never get the chance to play in it

I do wonder.

Honestly.

Winning a championship has nothing to do with the venue.

Getting to play at Croke Park is not the goal.

Winning an all Ireland is the goal.





To you it is...

If you can't compete in an all Ireland final then getting a chance to change under the hogan stand, run out onto the pitch play in a meaningful championship game either with your club mates or county is not an everyday occurrence.

County involvement represents 1% of the playing population, the opportunity to get there for a lot of counties is minimal, the club population that get to play there probably smaller

If you ask me where would you prefer to play? Either 10,000 at Clones or 10,000 at Croke it's still 10,000. I'm picking Croke. Sorry for the romantic drivel
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

smort

Is that cian Mackey and Kevin Feely on analysis? Breath of fresh air

Beirne from Leitrim was on last year and was very good

That's another bonus of the Tailteann Cup, giving opportunities to a new generation of pundit