China Coronavirus

[theskull1]

From the telegraph


Covid vaccines could be partly to blame for the rise in excess deaths since the pandemic, scientists have suggested.

Researchers from The Netherlands analysed data from 47 Western countries and discovered there had been more than three million excess deaths since 2020, with the trend continuing despite the rollout of vaccines and containment measures.

They said the "unprecedented" figures "raised serious concerns" and called on governments to fully investigate the underlying causes, including possible vaccine harms.

Writing in the BMJ Public Health, the authors from Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam, said: "Although Covid-19 vaccines were provided to guard civilians from suffering morbidity and mortality by the Covid-19 virus, suspected adverse events have been documented as well.

"Both medical professionals and citizens have reported serious injuries and deaths following vaccination to various official databases in the Western World."

They added: "During the pandemic, it was emphasised by politicians and the media on a daily basis that every Covid-19 death mattered and every life deserved protection through containment measures and Covid-19 vaccines. In the aftermath of the pandemic, the same moral should apply."

The study found that across Europe, the US and Australia there had been more than one million excess deaths in 2020, at the height of the pandemic, but also 1.2 million in 2021 and 800,000 and 2022 after measures were implemented.

Researchers said the figure included deaths from Covid-19, but also the "indirect effects of the health strategies to address the virus spread and infection".

They warned that side effects linked to the Covid vaccine had included ischaemic stroke, acute coronary syndrome and brain haemorrhage, cardiovascular diseases, coagulation, haemorrhages, gastrointestinal events and blood clotting.

German researchers have pointed out that the onset of excess mortality in early 2021 in the country coincided with the rollout of vaccines, which the team said "warranted further investigation".

However, more recent data regarding side-effects has not been made available to the public, with countries keeping their own individual databases of harms, which rely on self-reporting by the public and doctors, the experts warned.

Delays to other treatments

Researchers said that it was "likely" that the impact of containment measures, restricted healthcare and socioeconomic upheaval during the pandemic had contributed to deaths, although accepted that was difficult to prove.

Gordon Wishart, chief medical officer at Check4Cancer, and visiting professor of cancer surgery at Anglia Ruskin University, warned repeatedly that delaying cancer diagnosis would lead to deaths.

"It was predicted early in the lockdown period that limited access to healthcare for non-Covid conditions would lead to delays in the diagnosis and treatment of time-critical conditions such as cancer, cardiac disease, diabetes and dementia and that this would lead to excess deaths from these conditions," he said.

NHS England data shows that per 100,000 people the cancer incidence was 521 in the pre-lockdown year, then fell to 456 in 2020-2021, suggesting around 45,000 cancers were missed in the first pandemic year.

The incidence rate rose to 540 per 100,000 the following year suggesting many cancers were diagnosed late, when treatment would be less effective.

Speaking about the potential for vaccine harm, Mr Wishart added: "The authors are correct to point out that many vaccine-related serious adverse events may have been unreported, and point to the fact that the simultaneous onset of excess mortality and Covid vaccination in Germany is worthy of further investigation on its own.

"The paper provides more questions than answers but, it is hard to disagree with their conclusion that further analysis is required to understand the underlying causes of excess mortality to better prepare for the future management of pandemic crises"

[Milltown Row2]

It's not saying it's directly linked to vaccines more so the delays to treatments due to COVID being the main death threat at the time..

But I'd imagine there are people who died through an adverse reaction to vaccines, like people have died through taking penicillin

[Last Man]

I think if you read the study itself they are trying to demonstrate that there is a significant signal that could imply that the vaccines may be problematic for some people. Further independent studies should be funded to either prove or disprove this. Plus vaccination programs suspended for all except high risk individuals until we understand the risk/benefit better.

[J70]

I think if you read the study itself they are trying to demonstrate that there is a significant signal that could imply that the vaccines may be problematic for some people. Further independent studies should be funded to either prove or disprove this. Plus vaccination programs suspended for all except high risk individuals until we understand the risk/benefit better.

But surely that type of decision should come from the actual studies of the side effects of the vaccines rather than a 30,000 foot meta analysis that shows excess deaths that were possibly caused by anything from A-Z? What percentage of people are even getting the vaccine these days or have since the initial burst in 2021, assuming they did back then?

[whitey]

I know someone (age 20) who developed multiple blood clots after their most recent vaccine booster (otherwise perfectly healthy)

The family has serious connections in the Boston medical community so he got in to see the best doctors and consultants in the best hospitals

The feedback that they have gotten is that the booster is the most likely cause of the clots

(FWIW-I have been vaccinated and boosted as have my entire family, but we're done with getting boosters at this point)

[Milltown Row2]

I know someone (age 20) who developed multiple blood clots after their most recent vaccine booster (otherwise perfectly healthy)

The family has serious connections in the Boston medical community so he got in to see the best doctors and consultants in the best hospitals

The feedback that they have gotten is that the booster is the most likely cause of the clots

(FWIW-I have been vaccinated and boosted as have my entire family, but we're done with getting boosters at this point)

"I know someone" 

Who in their 20's are still getting vaccines?

Have the vaccines changed since the first batch this lad got? No clotting then but multiple clotting now?

Hmmm interesting

[J70]

I got the initial pair and booster in 2021. Finally got Covid in late 2022. Got another booster last autumn along with the flu shot. Don't think we've done the kids since they got their initial jabs. They've had Covid a couple of times since.

[Milltown Row2]

I got the initial pair and booster in 2021. Finally got Covid in late 2022. Got another booster last autumn along with the flu shot. Don't think we've done the kids since they got their initial jabs. They've had Covid a couple of times since.

Haven't had anything since the first booster and won't be, only got it due to work and holidays.

But those that were in a more vulnerable health state than me would have needed it,

Have had covid once, well, tested for it once. Have had a cough for a few weeks now, probably vaccine related 3 years ago 

[whitey]

I know someone (age 20) who developed multiple blood clots after their most recent vaccine booster (otherwise perfectly healthy)

The family has serious connections in the Boston medical community so he got in to see the best doctors and consultants in the best hospitals

The feedback that they have gotten is that the booster is the most likely cause of the clots

(FWIW-I have been vaccinated and boosted as have my entire family, but we're done with getting boosters at this point)

"I know someone" 

Who in their 20's are still getting vaccines?

Have the vaccines changed since the first batch this lad got? No clotting then but multiple clotting now?

Hmmm interesting

At the risk of getting sued or barred of this site, I won't mention the name, but there is a booster shot that's now popularly referred to in Massachusetts as the "clot shot"

The person who this happened to is in a college nursing program at the University of Massachusetts. I don't know if it was a requirement of the school or just out of an abundance of caution, but when he went for his annual physical before returning to college last August he was given the booster.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the tone of your reply but it looks like (to me) that you're implying I'm making this up

[Milltown Row2]

We all 'know' someone or heard a story about a sudden death or a life threatening illness that came out of the blue, with the 'and they just had a booster recently'

Unless you can factually state that this happened due to a booster then you are talking balls, whether you made it up or not

I hope that clears up the misunderstanding

edit: I don't think that vaccines have had issues with people's health, the same way that other drugs will also have an adverse effect on peoples health

[whitey]

We all 'know' someone or heard a story about a sudden death or a life threatening illness that came out of the blue, with the 'and they just had a booster recently'

Unless you can factually state that this happened due to a booster then you are talking balls, whether you made it up or not

I hope that clears up the misunderstanding

edit: I don't think that vaccines have had issues with people's health, the same way that other drugs will also have an adverse effect on peoples health

Mom just

We all 'know' someone or heard a story about a sudden death or a life threatening illness that came out of the blue, with the 'and they just had a booster recently'

Unless you can factually state that this happened due to a booster then you are talking balls, whether you made it up or not

I hope that clears up the misunderstanding

edit: I don't think that vaccines have had issues with people's health, the same way that other drugs will also have an adverse effect on peoples health

My wife walks three times a week with this kids mother

We've known the family for 20 years

I was at his High School graduation 2 years ago

I was at the Hurling in Fenway park with him and his dad a few years ago

So I do "KNOW" him and his family and I'm just repeating what some of the best doctors in the WORLD told this kids mother about a month ago about this particular booster

Believe whatever you want

[Puckoon]

Always been reluctant to engage in Covid discussions, as this was an unprecedented global event that did threaten the world as we knew it and did result in a significant number of deaths across the globe. I personally find the witch hunt against Anthony Fauci to be abhorrent and pursued by the lowest of the low in our societies. I say that because they made it personal, and grotesque. This is a man of quality and dignity, who long before Covid was instrumental in efforts to curb HIV/Aids, Swine Flu, Avian Flu, and Ebola initiatives - not just USA but world wide. Politically he was trusted by presidents as far back as Regan, both Bushes, Clinton and Obama. It's no coincidence that the nasty discourse started during a pivotal world event when the man responsible for the erosion of democracy came into power.

The Science:
Thankfully until this COVID pandemic, we could only model how to handle the challenges that the virus brought to our doorsteps. There was no foolproof blueprint. The same with the vaccines. I work in this industry as a non biased contract research organization who worked along side the vaccine manufacture players (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J) to provide the safety data (non clinical) back to the pharma companies for their submissions to the FDA. I took the Moderna vaccine rounds 1 and 2. I've had Covid 4 times. More on that later. The previously understood safety profiles of mRNA based vaccines was leveraged for Covid vaccines to fast track the approvals - again an emergency decision based on what was facing the world. Should it have been mandated? Perhaps not. Do I wonder about the long term efficacy of the Vaccines? Yeah, there are days that I do. Did we have long term data in high population clinical trials that a non emergency approved medicine/vaccine would have? Not sure that we did. Were we the long term clinical trial? Perhaps. Would I take the vaccine again at that time in history? Yes. Did I continue with boosters after round 2? No.

The money!
So, the shitehawks such as MTG and others are screaming at Fauci about his increased net worth during the pandemic (2019-2022). Net worth of $11 or $12 million up from $7.5 or something to that effect. The pandemic was a bumper time for anyone connected with drug development. Stocks of all biotech and pharma soared (sorely coming back to earth now). Doctors and health care workers received all kind of hazard pay. I am actually surprised at how low this mans net worth is. The average orthopedic surgeon salary in my town is $500k. Average chief medical officer salary is $600k. Hardly an insane growth of net worth as the primary infectious disease advisor to the president of the USA during a pandemic in my opinion.

The virus
I'll offer two personal experiences on Covid 19.

May 2022 I was in Ireland. To fly back to the USA a negative Covid test was required. I flew, safe and sound, no virus before I boarded, no virus after I landed. 8 weeks later I was home again this time with my wife and daughter. During that 8 week period the CDC removed the requirement to have a negative test before boarding a flight or entering the US. We, and presumably half the plane landed in the USA and tested positive within a day of landing with the contract tracing app it was traced back to our flight. Did testing impact my civil liberties? Nah. Did it help with limiting transmission? Absolutely. Same with masks. Did they stop covid? Did covid not exist when you took your mask off to eat in a restaurant? Of course not. Did any of it help? I would argue that if it did it was marginal. Did it hurt? I would argue that it did not.

July 2022 was the 3rd time I contracted Covid - and I never had a cavalier attitude to whatever the regulations at any time were. It unfortunately has taken a serious toll on me since then, and my wife as well. She was high risk due to a long standing autoimmune disease and I thought I would be fine (although have a history of chest issues). Since July 2022 we have both been chronically ill with repeated respiratory issues, respiratory fatigue, loss of lung volume (I can barely move the needle when performing the forced respiratory volume test). I lay awake at night wondering why this all happened, but one thing I don't lay awake wondering is if Dr Anthony Fauci did it to me. You don't build a career spanning such political and scientific events as an evil, or even incompetent person. I know who I would rather stand behind - and it isn't MTG and her cronies who are chasing down a man who should be able to retire while being proud of his contribution to the betterment of humanity (the irony), during one of our darkest periods.

All in all it just astounds me that there are so many self educated experts that walk among us, talking in such certainties and absolutes. This is one of the most complicated, logistically challenging and dangerous issues our generation ever faced. I'd give the decision makers in many respects a solid B. Did we do some insane and dumb stuff during the pandemic, in hindsight - absolutely. Did we do it with Machiavellian intention, or because we were at one stage scrambling to keep the world turning? Those with half a brain will know the answer.

[dec]

Fauci made the mistake of being regarded as more trustworthy than Trump about Covid. Therefore the Republicans have now spent years and multiple hearing just trying to discredit Fauci.

[JoG2]

Great post Puck, very measured. Hope youse are all doing well.

Think the Covid crew has moved onto con trails from what I can gather...

[From the Bunker]

No one in our house of 5 got any of the Covid Vaccines.

They were proven to be basically useless as they did not stop you getting it or passing it on.

I could not understand someone putting a experimental foreign agent into your body that basically had no effect on the virus.

One of the Biggest Pharmaceutical con-jobs in human history.

The Virus effectively weakened itself.

I learned a lot about Hype, Media control, Governments, Society, etc over those 2 years. It was a hugely educational time. I learned that you could be living in a parallel universe to many.

I look at the Gazza situation (notice I don't call it a war like the Mainstream Media) and see many similarities to how media can control the narritive.

Ireland has a fairly decent opinion of what is going on. And you can imagine the lies that are being spread in the rest of the Western World to hide what is a Genocide happing in broad daylight.