Derry v Wexford 11th July 2015

[southderryman]

Derry are 1/7 for this. Can't see why

Even though they haven't been great they have a lot more experience of playing Division 1 football.

Far better to get relegated from Division 1 than get relegated from Division 3.

Also Wexford seem to be a team who have a much better record playing at home versus away. Haven't actually looked at this but from the top of my heads have a notion their record at home is a good bit ahead of their record on the road.

Wexford pulled off a shock the last day against Down, it's very rare in the GAA that sides manage to pull off 2 shocks in a row.

Longford have beaten us 3 times in the qualifiers, league positions mean very little when you consider that

Last year's debacle should be firmly planted in this teams memory so hopefully they can get the job done this time.

Get over this one with no more injuries and a few more lads available and hopefully we can go on a bit of a run.

[twohands!!!]

Derry are 1/7 for this. Can't see why

Even though they haven't been great they have a lot more experience of playing Division 1 football.

Far better to get relegated from Division 1 than get relegated from Division 3.

Also Wexford seem to be a team who have a much better record playing at home versus away. Haven't actually looked at this but from the top of my heads have a notion their record at home is a good bit ahead of their record on the road.

Wexford pulled off a shock the last day against Down, it's very rare in the GAA that sides manage to pull off 2 shocks in a row.

Longford have beaten us 3 times in the qualifiers, league positions mean very little when you consider that

Last year's debacle should be firmly planted in this teams memory so hopefully they can get the job done this time.

Get over this one with no more injuries and a few more lads available and hopefully we can go on a bit of a run.

34 games played in the championship so far this year and only 3 teams have beaten a side who played in a higher division than them.

Derry v Longford last year was very much the exception to the usual rule - Derry were missing a serious chunk of their team with injuries ( I think it was something like 7 players wernt available who'd played in the Donegal loss) while Longford had one of those days in terms od shooting (ended up with 9 different scorers) and yet Derry only lost by 2 points.

Derry's form over the last while in championship compared to the league means that Derry folk probably don't think there is a very high correlation between the league position and championship, but the bookies are looking at the data and it's pretty clear that it exists.

[southderryman]

Derry are 1/7 for this. Can't see why

Even though they haven't been great they have a lot more experience of playing Division 1 football.

Far better to get relegated from Division 1 than get relegated from Division 3.

Also Wexford seem to be a team who have a much better record playing at home versus away. Haven't actually looked at this but from the top of my heads have a notion their record at home is a good bit ahead of their record on the road.

Wexford pulled off a shock the last day against Down, it's very rare in the GAA that sides manage to pull off 2 shocks in a row.

Longford have beaten us 3 times in the qualifiers, league positions mean very little when you consider that

Last year's debacle should be firmly planted in this teams memory so hopefully they can get the job done this time.

Get over this one with no more injuries and a few more lads available and hopefully we can go on a bit of a run.

34 games played in the championship so far this year and only 3 teams have beaten a side who played in a higher division than them.

Derry v Longford last year was very much the exception to the usual rule - Derry were missing a serious chunk of their team with injuries ( I think it was something like 7 players wernt available who'd played in the Donegal loss) while Longford had one of those days in terms od shooting (ended up with 9 different scorers) and yet Derry only lost by 2 points.

Derry's form over the last while in championship compared to the league means that Derry folk probably don't think there is a very high correlation between the league position and championship, but the bookies are looking at the data and it's pretty clear that it exists.

I am talking specifically about Derry, not the country as a whole. Having followed the team for 20+ years, I can assure you that when it comes to league form, it means very little to derry in championship football, we've had enough collapses, poor defeats and early exits to not put any stock into league performance

[twohands!!!]

Derry are 1/7 for this. Can't see why

Even though they haven't been great they have a lot more experience of playing Division 1 football.

Far better to get relegated from Division 1 than get relegated from Division 3.

Also Wexford seem to be a team who have a much better record playing at home versus away. Haven't actually looked at this but from the top of my heads have a notion their record at home is a good bit ahead of their record on the road.

Wexford pulled off a shock the last day against Down, it's very rare in the GAA that sides manage to pull off 2 shocks in a row.

Longford have beaten us 3 times in the qualifiers, league positions mean very little when you consider that

Last year's debacle should be firmly planted in this teams memory so hopefully they can get the job done this time.

Get over this one with no more injuries and a few more lads available and hopefully we can go on a bit of a run.

34 games played in the championship so far this year and only 3 teams have beaten a side who played in a higher division than them.

Derry v Longford last year was very much the exception to the usual rule - Derry were missing a serious chunk of their team with injuries ( I think it was something like 7 players wernt available who'd played in the Donegal loss) while Longford had one of those days in terms od shooting (ended up with 9 different scorers) and yet Derry only lost by 2 points.

Derry's form over the last while in championship compared to the league means that Derry folk probably don't think there is a very high correlation between the league position and championship, but the bookies are looking at the data and it's pretty clear that it exists.

I am talking specifically about Derry, not the country as a whole. Having followed the team for 20+ years, I can assure you that when it comes to league form, it means very little to derry in championship football, we've had enough collapses, poor defeats and early exits to not put any stock into league performance

Fair enough Derry seem to be a massive exception in terms of league v championship.

Any ideas why Derry are so unusual over so long?
I did hear someone say one time that Derry seem to select players more suited to winter football but it seems a bit flimsy to me and it's one of those things that you'd say is almost impossible to disprove. Odds are there is no one single cause but lots of little things over a while - like last year the injuries were hugely significant, other times maybe complacency/attitude's not being right, maybe other year's it was overachieving in the league (people say that league tables don't lie but when you've only 7 games and some years they don't exactly give the full picture)

[I think Cork this year are a good example of where the league table while not exactly lying can paint a bit of a false picture in that they won 3 games by 1 point and another game by 2 to top the table this year - all it would have taken for their league campaign to paint a completely different scenario would have been 5 points which over 4 games is very little]

Overall I just think the key thing driving the odds for the game is that Wexford are extremely unlikely to pull two shocks in a row, especially away from home.

[Wildweasel74]

Liam McGoldrick will be the other half back, he going to be a good one!!

[general_lee]

What's the story with skinner now that he's back with glenavon?

[boro]

Rumours in Wexford that this game may be fixed for Clones?

[JoG2]

Rumours in Wexford that this game may be fixed for Clones?

I thought only Dublin had the power to move a 'home' team to a neutral venue 2 hours away !

[T Fearon]

Skinner playing in Belarus on Thursday night.Great achievement if he can keep his eyes open on Saturday never mind play for Derry

[Wildweasel74]

Probably not start, Emmett McGuckin be obvious replacement if anyone can find him, McKinless and L McGoldrick will come into the half back line, B Heron might slip in again for Lynn. Any word on how far away E Bradley, P Bradley,  from fitness

[Estimator]

So it's Saturday afternoon then:
2pm at Owenbeg.

[Real Talk]

Assuming shinner doesnt start i would like to see Nial Loughlin get a run out along side O Boyle ....he can give us a real scoring threat

[Walter Cronc]

Probably not start, Emmett McGuckin be obvious replacement if anyone can find him, McKinless and L McGoldrick will come into the half back line, B Heron might slip in again for Lynn. Any word on how far away E Bradley, P Bradley,  from fitness

E Bradley has played the last 2 league games for Glen and is motoring well.

[oakleaflad]

Assuming shinner doesnt start i would like to see Nial Loughlin get a run out along side O Boyle ....he can give us a real scoring threat

He isn't ready for senior intercounty football in my opinion. There are better inside forwards playing intermediate club football. Even playing Lynn inside would be a better option. The lad is still U21 and has potential but better coming off the bench if used. 

[Real Talk]

Assuming shinner doesnt start i would like to see Nial Loughlin get a run out along side O Boyle ....he can give us a real scoring threat

He isn't ready for senior intercounty football in my opinion. There are better inside forwards playing intermediate club football. Even playing Lynn inside would be a better option. The lad is still U21 and has potential but better coming off the bench if used. 
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I agree it would be better if he was used (if the game was not in the balance in the second half. Who are the untried better inside forwards  ? If he's good enough he is old enough ..... im looking ahead