justice my arse..!!!

lawnseed · November 19, 2012, 09:59:59 PM

just reading according to new crime figures released by alan "londonderry" shatter show white collar crime has increased by a third and yet convictions have dropped by 66%. in fact 9 out of 10 white collar crimes committed in recent years have failed to result in a conviction. this flies in the face of the likes of truck drivers getting 4 years for bringing in a few fags while child molesters get 3mths suspended. every paper you lift has "justice" being dished out in a very irregular fashion. solicitors who embezzle your hard earned cash or 'doctor' your will to include themselves get struck off tut.. tut.. while lads with no tax get hammered. it doesn't make sense. have you seen any examples of this kind of thing

Maurice Moss · November 19, 2012, 10:05:31 PM

It is a total joke and it definitely seems to be getting worse!

Itchy · November 19, 2012, 10:14:08 PM

Alan is probably more worried about how to defend his child killing friends in Israel than he is about such trivial items in Ireland

nifan · November 20, 2012, 08:37:09 AM

How do these figures get worked out - how do they know how much crime (white collar) has increased if not through conviction rates.

Tubberman · November 20, 2012, 08:46:20 AM

Can you provide the detailed crime figures that you're referring to Lawnseed?

LeoMc · November 20, 2012, 11:42:52 AM

Quote from: nifan on November 20, 2012, 08:37:09 AM
How do these figures get worked out - how do they know how much crime (white collar) has increased if not through conviction rates.

You don't need to have someone convicted of robbery to know your house has been broken into.

nifan · November 20, 2012, 11:58:26 AM

Of course you dont, but white collar crime is not always as evident as a break in to a house.
Does the lesser conviction rate mean that people are getting off or more people are being trialed for it, but that more of the accusations are unfounded.

Hardy · November 20, 2012, 12:54:43 PM

I gathered from yesterday's radio news reports on this that it was based on convictions versus reported crimes.

No Soloing · November 20, 2012, 01:00:42 PM

Its not as if this is unique to Ireland. White collar crime is largely ignored throughout Western society.

NAG1 · November 20, 2012, 01:12:13 PM

Some amount of vague comments on this thread, no one has actually defined what white collar crimes are, let alone put forward any hard facts to suggest it is on the increase or any facts to suggest it is not being prosecuted to the full extent.

lawnseed · November 21, 2012, 06:29:25 PM

Quote from: NAG1 on November 20, 2012, 01:12:13 PM
Some amount of vague comments on this thread, no one has actually defined what white collar crimes are, let alone put forward any hard facts to suggest it is on the increase or any facts to suggest it is not being prosecuted to the full extent.

i can tell you that if the finegael minister for justice is confronted in the dail with figures that show hes not doing his job and those figures dont stand up then we wouldnt be reading it in the media or discussing it here. this is only one example of the failure of the irish justice system and the failure of those incharge to address the issue

ziggy90 · November 21, 2012, 06:42:44 PM

On the 38th anniversary of the Birmingham Pub Bombs have the (real) per pertraters of this atrocity even been investigated?

maddog · November 21, 2012, 07:54:28 PM

Quote from: ziggy90 on November 21, 2012, 06:42:44 PM
On the 38th anniversary of the Birmingham Pub Bombs have the (real) per pertraters of this atrocity even been investigated?

Knowing what we know now about the various elements involved of the years and what went on with both sides and the British government running elements within both, perhaps its not in the interests of some to delve any further. Who knows who knew what before and after. They tried framing 6 innocents and were rumbled. The provos (against their normal protocol) denied it. Whoever did it, it was a disgrace and should never have happened. The whirlwind reaped by Birminghams Irish population was from what i hear was vile.

ziggy90 · November 21, 2012, 08:30:46 PM

Well put MD, the government of the day and all succeeding ones have managed to have this tragic event pushed under the carpet. I think it is only now that the relatives of those who died and/or who were injured are starting to agitate for some answers to some very explosive questions.

The treatment meted out to a very frightened Irish community was indeed to use your term "vile", with the undoubted stars of the show being our friendly neighbourhood constabulary. The city was ready to explode that time and it was only the calm and reasonable words of Roy Jenkins then MP for Birmingham Stechford that stopped their being wholesale revenge attacks against Churches, Schools, Pubs and Clubs etc (even though there were incidents of this kind).

lawnseed · November 21, 2012, 09:16:18 PM

Quote from: ziggy90 on November 21, 2012, 08:30:46 PM
Well put MD, the government of the day and all succeeding ones have managed to have this tragic event pushed under the carpet. I think it is only now that the relatives of those who died and/or who were injured are starting to agitate for some answers to some very explosive questions.

The treatment meted out to a very frightened Irish community was indeed to use your term "vile", with the undoubted stars of the show being our friendly neighbourhood constabulary. The city was ready to explode that time and it was only the calm and reasonable words of Roy Jenkins then MP for Birmingham Stechford that stopped their being wholesale revenge attacks against Churches, Schools, Pubs and Clubs etc (even though there were incidents of this kind).

there must be something in the water around birmingham as all of the above treatment is now being dished out to young muslims and then they shrug their shoulders and wonder why they are being radicalised