The Many Faces of US Politics...

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J70

Quote from: whitey on April 04, 2023, 01:55:34 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 04, 2023, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 04, 2023, 12:31:40 AM
Far -Right Groups have always been around just like Far-Left Groups have been. Trump is not responsible for it's rise like Obama is not responsible for BLM & Antifa. Harry Truman was a card carrying member of the KKK as was Robert Byrd & Al Gore's father but their policies or political did not reflect the KKKs views. When the vote for Civil Rights was cast more members of the Republican Party voted for it than did Democratic Party members. So everything isn't black & white "pardon the pun" in american politics muchlike everywhere else. Bidens ancestors owned slaves back in the day also.

And after the passage of the Civil Rights Act and Nixon's resulting Southern Strategy, the south, where all of those Democratic "Nos" came from, began a migration to the GOP.

Trump, at the very least, gave cover and encouragement to the far right. He demonized and dehumanized immigrants and Muslims. He couldn't even bring himself to unequivocally condemn the racist, murderous mob at Charlottesville. He took days to disavow the endorsement of David Duke. In a f**king presidential debate, a massive media event, he told the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by". His whole political persona is that white christian Americans are under attack in their own country. Not a new idea in GOP politics for sure, but one given a burst of rocket fuel by Trump.

And yet the Democrats can't  help themselves

Instead of just letting him and the other extreme Republicans self implode, they just keep providing their supporters (and middle of the road conservatives) with an alternative that's so insane and toxic, that they're keeping him in the game

There are certainly extremists on the Dem side, but where are they in the leadership or on policy, especially at national level? Or state level? Even NYC elected a centrist mayor last time out. Even SF got rid of their extremist DA.


whitey

Quote from: J70 on April 04, 2023, 02:27:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 04, 2023, 01:55:34 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 04, 2023, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 04, 2023, 12:31:40 AM
Far -Right Groups have always been around just like Far-Left Groups have been. Trump is not responsible for it's rise like Obama is not responsible for BLM & Antifa. Harry Truman was a card carrying member of the KKK as was Robert Byrd & Al Gore's father but their policies or political did not reflect the KKKs views. When the vote for Civil Rights was cast more members of the Republican Party voted for it than did Democratic Party members. So everything isn't black & white "pardon the pun" in american politics muchlike everywhere else. Bidens ancestors owned slaves back in the day also.

And after the passage of the Civil Rights Act and Nixon's resulting Southern Strategy, the south, where all of those Democratic "Nos" came from, began a migration to the GOP.

Trump, at the very least, gave cover and encouragement to the far right. He demonized and dehumanized immigrants and Muslims. He couldn't even bring himself to unequivocally condemn the racist, murderous mob at Charlottesville. He took days to disavow the endorsement of David Duke. In a f**king presidential debate, a massive media event, he told the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by". His whole political persona is that white christian Americans are under attack in their own country. Not a new idea in GOP politics for sure, but one given a burst of rocket fuel by Trump.

And yet the Democrats can't  help themselves

Instead of just letting him and the other extreme Republicans self implode, they just keep providing their supporters (and middle of the road conservatives) with an alternative that's so insane and toxic, that they're keeping him in the game

There are certainly extremists on the Dem side, but where are they in the leadership or on policy, especially at national level? Or state level? Even NYC elected a centrist mayor last time out. Even SF got rid of their extremist DA.

They don't have to be in leadership

Leadership is terrified of them and cave at every turn to the crazies

Why the heck was Joe thinking doing an interview with Dylan Mulvaney?

https://unherd.com/thepost/why-is-joe-biden-taking-trans-advice-from-a-tiktok-star/

J70

Quote from: whitey on April 04, 2023, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 04, 2023, 02:27:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 04, 2023, 01:55:34 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 04, 2023, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 04, 2023, 12:31:40 AM
Far -Right Groups have always been around just like Far-Left Groups have been. Trump is not responsible for it's rise like Obama is not responsible for BLM & Antifa. Harry Truman was a card carrying member of the KKK as was Robert Byrd & Al Gore's father but their policies or political did not reflect the KKKs views. When the vote for Civil Rights was cast more members of the Republican Party voted for it than did Democratic Party members. So everything isn't black & white "pardon the pun" in american politics muchlike everywhere else. Bidens ancestors owned slaves back in the day also.

And after the passage of the Civil Rights Act and Nixon's resulting Southern Strategy, the south, where all of those Democratic "Nos" came from, began a migration to the GOP.

Trump, at the very least, gave cover and encouragement to the far right. He demonized and dehumanized immigrants and Muslims. He couldn't even bring himself to unequivocally condemn the racist, murderous mob at Charlottesville. He took days to disavow the endorsement of David Duke. In a f**king presidential debate, a massive media event, he told the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by". His whole political persona is that white christian Americans are under attack in their own country. Not a new idea in GOP politics for sure, but one given a burst of rocket fuel by Trump.

And yet the Democrats can't  help themselves

Instead of just letting him and the other extreme Republicans self implode, they just keep providing their supporters (and middle of the road conservatives) with an alternative that's so insane and toxic, that they're keeping him in the game

There are certainly extremists on the Dem side, but where are they in the leadership or on policy, especially at national level? Or state level? Even NYC elected a centrist mayor last time out. Even SF got rid of their extremist DA.

They don't have to be in leadership

Leadership is terrified of them and cave at every turn to the crazies

Why the heck was Joe thinking doing an interview with Dylan Mulvaney?

https://unherd.com/thepost/why-is-joe-biden-taking-trans-advice-from-a-tiktok-star/

If leadership is so terrified of them, then how is that manifesting itself in policy and legislation?

Trust me, I get that the right can and will use any pronouncement from any Dem anywhere at any level to rile up and terrify their own voters that "they're coming to get you!".

Gmac

Quote from: whitey on April 04, 2023, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 04, 2023, 02:27:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 04, 2023, 01:55:34 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 04, 2023, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 04, 2023, 12:31:40 AM
Far -Right Groups have always been around just like Far-Left Groups have been. Trump is not responsible for it's rise like Obama is not responsible for BLM & Antifa. Harry Truman was a card carrying member of the KKK as was Robert Byrd & Al Gore's father but their policies or political did not reflect the KKKs views. When the vote for Civil Rights was cast more members of the Republican Party voted for it than did Democratic Party members. So everything isn't black & white "pardon the pun" in american politics muchlike everywhere else. Bidens ancestors owned slaves back in the day also.

And after the passage of the Civil Rights Act and Nixon's resulting Southern Strategy, the south, where all of those Democratic "Nos" came from, began a migration to the GOP.

Trump, at the very least, gave cover and encouragement to the far right. He demonized and dehumanized immigrants and Muslims. He couldn't even bring himself to unequivocally condemn the racist, murderous mob at Charlottesville. He took days to disavow the endorsement of David Duke. In a f**king presidential debate, a massive media event, he told the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by". His whole political persona is that white christian Americans are under attack in their own country. Not a new idea in GOP politics for sure, but one given a burst of rocket fuel by Trump.

And yet the Democrats can't  help themselves

Instead of just letting him and the other extreme Republicans self implode, they just keep providing their supporters (and middle of the road conservatives) with an alternative that's so insane and toxic, that they're keeping him in the game

There are certainly extremists on the Dem side, but where are they in the leadership or on policy, especially at national level? Or state level? Even NYC elected a centrist mayor last time out. Even SF got rid of their extremist DA.

They don't have to be in leadership

Leadership is terrified of them and cave at every turn to the crazies

Why the heck was Joe thinking doing an interview with Dylan Mulvaney?

https://unherd.com/thepost/why-is-joe-biden-taking-trans-advice-from-a-tiktok-star/
he probably wanted to sniff her/him

whitey

Quote from: J70 on April 04, 2023, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 04, 2023, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 04, 2023, 02:27:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 04, 2023, 01:55:34 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 04, 2023, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 04, 2023, 12:31:40 AM
Far -Right Groups have always been around just like Far-Left Groups have been. Trump is not responsible for it's rise like Obama is not responsible for BLM & Antifa. Harry Truman was a card carrying member of the KKK as was Robert Byrd & Al Gore's father but their policies or political did not reflect the KKKs views. When the vote for Civil Rights was cast more members of the Republican Party voted for it than did Democratic Party members. So everything isn't black & white "pardon the pun" in american politics muchlike everywhere else. Bidens ancestors owned slaves back in the day also.

And after the passage of the Civil Rights Act and Nixon's resulting Southern Strategy, the south, where all of those Democratic "Nos" came from, began a migration to the GOP.

Trump, at the very least, gave cover and encouragement to the far right. He demonized and dehumanized immigrants and Muslims. He couldn't even bring himself to unequivocally condemn the racist, murderous mob at Charlottesville. He took days to disavow the endorsement of David Duke. In a f**king presidential debate, a massive media event, he told the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by". His whole political persona is that white christian Americans are under attack in their own country. Not a new idea in GOP politics for sure, but one given a burst of rocket fuel by Trump.

And yet the Democrats can't  help themselves

Instead of just letting him and the other extreme Republicans self implode, they just keep providing their supporters (and middle of the road conservatives) with an alternative that's so insane and toxic, that they're keeping him in the game

There are certainly extremists on the Dem side, but where are they in the leadership or on policy, especially at national level? Or state level? Even NYC elected a centrist mayor last time out. Even SF got rid of their extremist DA.

They don't have to be in leadership

Leadership is terrified of them and cave at every turn to the crazies

Why the heck was Joe thinking doing an interview with Dylan Mulvaney?

https://unherd.com/thepost/why-is-joe-biden-taking-trans-advice-from-a-tiktok-star/

If leadership is so terrified of them, then how is that manifesting itself in policy and legislation?

Trust me, I get that the right can and will use any pronouncement from any Dem anywhere at any level to rile up and terrify their own voters that "they're coming to get you!".

Some parents have very legitimate concerns about what's happening in public schools right now, but some of the most senior Democrats have painted these people as extremists and book banners and flat earthers. They've even unleashed the FBI/DOJ on them.

They're terrified of offending the most extreme elements of their base







J70

Quote from: whitey on April 04, 2023, 04:30:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 04, 2023, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 04, 2023, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 04, 2023, 02:27:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 04, 2023, 01:55:34 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 04, 2023, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: Piskin on April 04, 2023, 12:31:40 AM
Far -Right Groups have always been around just like Far-Left Groups have been. Trump is not responsible for it's rise like Obama is not responsible for BLM & Antifa. Harry Truman was a card carrying member of the KKK as was Robert Byrd & Al Gore's father but their policies or political did not reflect the KKKs views. When the vote for Civil Rights was cast more members of the Republican Party voted for it than did Democratic Party members. So everything isn't black & white "pardon the pun" in american politics muchlike everywhere else. Bidens ancestors owned slaves back in the day also.

And after the passage of the Civil Rights Act and Nixon's resulting Southern Strategy, the south, where all of those Democratic "Nos" came from, began a migration to the GOP.

Trump, at the very least, gave cover and encouragement to the far right. He demonized and dehumanized immigrants and Muslims. He couldn't even bring himself to unequivocally condemn the racist, murderous mob at Charlottesville. He took days to disavow the endorsement of David Duke. In a f**king presidential debate, a massive media event, he told the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by". His whole political persona is that white christian Americans are under attack in their own country. Not a new idea in GOP politics for sure, but one given a burst of rocket fuel by Trump.

And yet the Democrats can't  help themselves

Instead of just letting him and the other extreme Republicans self implode, they just keep providing their supporters (and middle of the road conservatives) with an alternative that's so insane and toxic, that they're keeping him in the game

There are certainly extremists on the Dem side, but where are they in the leadership or on policy, especially at national level? Or state level? Even NYC elected a centrist mayor last time out. Even SF got rid of their extremist DA.

They don't have to be in leadership

Leadership is terrified of them and cave at every turn to the crazies

Why the heck was Joe thinking doing an interview with Dylan Mulvaney?

https://unherd.com/thepost/why-is-joe-biden-taking-trans-advice-from-a-tiktok-star/

If leadership is so terrified of them, then how is that manifesting itself in policy and legislation?

Trust me, I get that the right can and will use any pronouncement from any Dem anywhere at any level to rile up and terrify their own voters that "they're coming to get you!".

Some parents have very legitimate concerns about what's happening in public schools right now, but some of the most senior Democrats have painted these people as extremists and book banners and flat earthers. They've even unleashed the FBI/DOJ on them.

They're terrified of offending the most extreme elements of their base

Example(s)?

J70


whitey

This is how absolutely insane the world has become thank to the types of people J70 votes for

https://www.boston.com/news/schools/2023/04/04/easthampton-school-committee-rescind-superintendent-candidate-offer-ladies/

"Easthampton is rallying around a superintendent finalist who said his offer to lead the city's public schools was rescinded after he referred to women as "ladies" in an email — an act some school committee members reportedly viewed as a microaggression."

Gabriel_Hurl

If there's a bigger snowflake on this place - I've yet to see him

RedHand88

CNN say the case is weak and that it would already be dismissed if it wasn't Trump.

Gmac

Quote from: RedHand88 on April 04, 2023, 09:35:20 PM
CNN say the case is weak and that it would already be dismissed if it wasn't Trump.
better chance Bragg gets convicted of something than Trump
Democrats with another huge swing and miss . Anyone who voted for this douche bag DA deserves no protection from the law , they want political opponents locked up and real criminals walking free from felony charges.

Wildweasel74

We, wait for the one for inciting a riot leading to the death of a few people, anybody else been long charged on this by now

Gmac

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 04, 2023, 10:35:01 PM
We, wait for the one for inciting a riot leading to the death of a few people, anybody else been long charged on this by now
innocent people are being released from jail after the regime locked them up on false charges that's the update there

Main Street

Trump gets underwhelming show of support on surreal day in New York

Hundreds of pro- and anti-Trump protesters had gathered outside the Manhattan criminal court

the center-piece of the protest – an appearance by Marjorie Taylor Greene, the QAnon-dabbling, hard-right Republican conspiracy theorist – had descended into farce almost immediately.
Greene, escorted by security, was armed with a megaphone, but could be barely be heard above the sound of whistling and shouting

a Trump supporter, was waving a large flag that said: "Trump or death."
"It's not my death," he said. "It might be your death, it might be democracy's death, but it's not my death."

As Trump was in court, pleading not guilty to the charges, his supporters had started to drift away from their protest area. The more buttoned-down supporters – the types who will wear a hat but can't be bothered carrying a flag, seemed to leave first, leaving behind an assortment of kooks and weirdos who contributed to a slightly surreal atmosphere.

One woman kept saying the United Nations building, about three miles to the north, was the "Synagogue of Satan". A man tried, in vain, to get a rather convoluted chant about gender pronouns going.

There was a guy in a banana suit, and another in a witch's hat, and the Naked Cowboy, a well-known New York City fixture who plays the guitar to tourists in Times Square while wearing underpants, also showed up. He sang a song in support of Trump, which had lyrics about building a wall.

It wasn't exactly the scene Trump had promised. The former president had said "death and destruction" would follow his arrest, not tropical fruit and Y-fronts.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/04/trump-protests-reaction-new-york-court



J70

Quote from: Gmac on April 04, 2023, 10:43:24 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 04, 2023, 10:35:01 PM
We, wait for the one for inciting a riot leading to the death of a few people, anybody else been long charged on this by now
innocent people are being released from jail after the regime locked them up on false charges that's the update there

Example?

Don't worry, I'm not holding my breath.