The Many Faces of US Politics...

[muppet]

The people who are humping it 60 hours a week, with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half are feeling pretty good this morning.  Working people have legitimate anger and spoke with their vote yesterday

And how is their vote going to change things?

BTW, plenty of "working people" voted Dem.

People had legitimate grievances and they were poopooed as fascists,misogynists, islamophobes or homophobes by the main stream media if they dared question Hillarys fitness to serve.

But this is what you just voted for. Trump is overtly misogynistic and most likely an islamophobe.

Along with pro-Russian, anti-Mexican, anti-Global warming, anti-Iran Nuclear Treaty, anti-EU, anti-NAFTA etc, etc.

You can't blame Hillary or the media for that. If you support an extremist, don't pretend to be all hurt when you are called an extremist.

[Bord na Mona man]

While no fan of Trump, the left-wing, pc media over here made little attempt to be objective.
There wasn't much delving into why people were supporting Trump, apart from them being uneducated, rednecks and racists.

If you looked a little bit, which you obviously didn't, there was a ton of coverage about what was motivating voters across the US, and none more so than about what was happening in places like Ohio, Michigan and West Virginia than anywhere else.

Incorrect. The majority of British and Irish media coverage painted Trump supporters in an unflattering light.
Far more vox pops with nut jobs at rallies than discussions with real voters.
Stuff like rust belt and blue collar were  namechecked but rarely quantified.

[whitey]

The people who are humping it 60 hours a week, with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half are feeling pretty good this morning.  Working people have legitimate anger and spoke with their vote yesterday

And how is their vote going to change things?

BTW, plenty of "working people" voted Dem.

People had legitimate grievances and they were poopooed as fascists,misogynists, islamophobes or homophobes by the main stream media if they dared question Hillarys fitness to serve.

But this is what you just voted for. Trump is overtly misogynistic and most likely an islamophobe.

Along with pro-Russian, anti-Mexican, anti-Global warming, anti-Iran Nuclear Treaty, anti-EU, anti-NAFTA etc, etc.

You can't blame Hillary or the media for that. If you support an extremist, don't pretend to be all hurt when you are called an extremist.

People had and have real grievances and the establishment did not listen to them

[muppet]

The people who are humping it 60 hours a week, with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half are feeling pretty good this morning.  Working people have legitimate anger and spoke with their vote yesterday

And how is their vote going to change things?

BTW, plenty of "working people" voted Dem.

People had legitimate grievances and they were poopooed as fascists,misogynists, islamophobes or homophobes by the main stream media if they dared question Hillarys fitness to serve.

But this is what you just voted for. Trump is overtly misogynistic and most likely an islamophobe.

Along with pro-Russian, anti-Mexican, anti-Global warming, anti-Iran Nuclear Treaty, anti-EU, anti-NAFTA etc, etc.

You can't blame Hillary or the media for that. If you support an extremist, don't pretend to be all hurt when you are called an extremist.

People had and have real grievances and the establishment did not listen to them

And you think it will now. 

People had real grievances in 1920s Germany as well. The establishment didn't listen then either.

Two things won this elections for Trump:

1) Russian hackers;
2) A lazy media calling it for Hillary and the ensuing complacency among voters;

[stew]

May in the long term be a good thing for democracy around the world. The working and struggling classes have by and large spoken in the Uk and now America.

Governments will now have to pay more attention to that section of the population very often disregarded and sad to say very often sneered at ( including some posters on this forum). Absolutely nothing wrong with people who left school early to earn a living/ work a trade etc  having a say in democracy .

Victory yesterday for the people who like their coffee to come from a kettle / coffee pot as opposed to coming  frothy from a machine.

I had that thought too. I think this is a reality check. The silent majority is still the majority and you have to cater for their concerns, not just the popular causes, to win big elections.

But what has Trump promised them?

Are trade wars going to reverse decades of mechanization/automation and industrial flight in search of lower costs and thus cheaper prices?

Are all these put-upon white people going to start to do the landscaping, roofing, asbestos abatement, hotel room cleaning and food delivery jobs that Hispanic immigrants are now doing?

How are poorer whites going to fare now when Paul Ryan budgets, slashing benefits, medical coverage and programmes, left, right and centre, in favour of tax cuts for the rich, suddenly start passing congress and the White House?

Quit yer bitchin, Obamacare and ten trillion in debt fucked America, you liberals had your go and now it's time to give a left wing so called Republican a go, he cannot be any worse than the arsehole in chief that currently resides in the white house.

Clintons career is over, I hope Trump goes after the FBI & especially the DOJ, I would say there are a fair few boys dunging the togs today.

Trump needs to have an impartial outside body to look at the email scandals as well as the foundation strap on ran, then the Clinton three need to be incarcerated for the remainder, now that would be a great legacy to the country.

BBBbbbbbbbbbb,bbbbbbbbbbyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeee÷see sanctuary cities, hello Megyns law, if this aul bastard can rid the world of political correctness and everthing Obama touched he will be the best President ever.

The GOP can't whine any more. No need for obstructionism. They won everything.
So they have the ball. And they can't blame anyone else if they f**k it up
They can destroy Obamacare. But will they fix healthcare?

They aren't even a united party.

The US is at a point in history where several structural crises are blowing up at the same time. Healthcare, inequality, vets, climate, economy

Lying to gain power is no help. Ask Theresa May.

The Trump euphoria will wear off. The GOP is funded by the same deplorables as the Democratic party.
It will be fascinating. Money vs the voters. Giuliani, Christie and Gingrich are Yank versions of Bojo, Davies and Gove . They have no ideas.

Bonaparte said never get involved when your enemy is making a mistake.
The Dems should get in some sofas and a big order of popcorn.

Bonaparte was an evil bastard, the gop have been eating popcorn for eight years, time to eat crow libtards, the people have spoken and rejected your elitest bullshit!

[whitey]

I don't know.


Hillary was a flawed, dishonest and dislikeable candidate who got parachuted into the nomination by crooks.  The first candidate in history to get a nomination nation while under an active FBI investigation.  Joe Biden or Bernie would have beaten Trump by 10 points

[muppet]

I don't know.


Hillary was a flawed, dishonest and dislikeable candidate who got parachuted into the nomination by crooks.  The first candidate in history to get a nomination nation while under an active FBI investigation.  Joe Biden or Bernie would have beaten Trump by 10 points

Trump is estimated to have been involved in around 3,500 lawsuits.

Clinton is gone now. The faux outrage over her emails won.

Now you are left with the consequences.

[seafoid]

Brian Koppelman ‏@briankoppelman Manhattan, NY
@Nate_Cohn but dude. In fairness. You have really, really built a flawed model. It was wildly inaccurate leading up to this. Heartbreaking.

Edward Luce ‏@EdwardGLuce Manhattan, NY
A plea to just ignore data people until this seismic age is over. They're only useful when it's normal.

[Franko]

The people who are humping it 60 hours a week, with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half are feeling pretty good this morning.  Working people have legitimate anger and spoke with their vote yesterday

And how is their vote going to change things?

BTW, plenty of "working people" voted Dem.

People had legitimate grievances and they were poopooed as fascists,misogynists, islamophobes or homophobes by the main stream media if they dared question Hillarys fitness to serve.

But this is what you just voted for. Trump is overtly misogynistic and most likely an islamophobe.

Along with pro-Russian, anti-Mexican, anti-Global warming, anti-Iran Nuclear Treaty, anti-EU, anti-NAFTA etc, etc.

You can't blame Hillary or the media for that. If you support an extremist, don't pretend to be all hurt when you are called an extremist.

People had and have real grievances and the establishment did not listen to them

And you think it will now. 

People had real grievances in 1920s Germany as well. The establishment didn't listen then either.

Two things won this elections for Trump:

1) Russian hackers;
2) A lazy media calling it for Hillary and the ensuing complacency among voters;

I think you're missing a trick here muppet.  What won this for Trump was the Democratic Party for nominating someone as toxic as Hillary to stand against him.  If Sanders had got the nod, Trump would have taken a deserved hiding IMO.  At least Sanders could have legitimately painted himself as someone who was interested in change for those who felt aggrieved.  The issues you mentioned are secondary.

[stew]

I don't know.


Hillary was a flawed, dishonest and dislikeable candidate who got parachuted into the nomination by crooks.  The first candidate in history to get a nomination nation while under an active FBI investigation.  Joe Biden or Bernie would have beaten Trump by 10 points

Trump is estimated to be currently involved in around 3,500 lawsuits.

Clinton is gone now. The faux outrage over her emails won.

Now you are left with the consequences.

She was a disaster in every post she ever held, that beat her!

She was a hateful, spiteful bitch, that got her beaten!

She was the establishment, that got her beaten.

Did I,mention she is a hateful ****? That got her her beaten.

[muppet]

I don't think enough Americans would have voted for Sanders. Don't get me wrong, he would be the closest person to my way of thinking in American politics.

But this rise of overt anti-immigration feeling suggests to me that they would still have gone for Trump.

[J70]

The people who are humping it 60 hours a week, with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half are feeling pretty good this morning.  Working people have legitimate anger and spoke with their vote yesterday

And how is their vote going to change things?

BTW, plenty of "working people" voted Dem.

People had legitimate grievances and they were poopooed as fascists,misogynists, islamophobes or homophobes by the main stream media if they dared question Hillarys fitness to serve.

But this is what you just voted for. Trump is overtly misogynistic and most likely an islamophobe.

Along with pro-Russian, anti-Mexican, anti-Global warming, anti-Iran Nuclear Treaty, anti-EU, anti-NAFTA etc, etc.

You can't blame Hillary or the media for that. If you support an extremist, don't pretend to be all hurt when you are called an extremist.

People had and have real grievances and the establishment did not listen to them

EVERYONE has real grievances.

My question was how Trump is going to solve the health insurance issue given that that is what you referred to in the original post.

Because what was vetoed by Obama last year will do NOTHING to address it.

[muppet]

She was a disaster in every post she ever held, that beat her!

She was a hateful, spiteful bitch, that got her beaten!

She was the establishment, that got her beaten.

Did I,mention she is a hateful ****? That got her her beaten.

Can you list all her posts without looking them up? All the ones you claim she was a disaster in?

[macdanger2]

The people who are humping it 60 hours a week, with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half are feeling pretty good this morning.  Working people have legitimate anger and spoke with their vote yesterday

And how is their vote going to change things?

BTW, plenty of "working people" voted Dem.

People had legitimate grievances and they were poopooed as fascists,misogynists, islamophobes or homophobes by the main stream media if they dared question Hillarys fitness to serve.

I think that's a key point (as it was in Brexit) - the grievances people have (in Wales/northern England/the rust belt) are real and the "establishment" did absolutely nothing to address them. So when someone came along who said they would address these grievances (albeit in fascist, racist terms which imo will do little to resolve the actual problems), the people voted for them. 

[joemamas]

Muppet do you ever come up for air.

The amount of know all BS you were spouting on here over the past few months based on your real life experiences in the US  (a golf vacation you took) was unreal.

Why don't you move on to the Italian referendum in December. I am sure you eat Pizza at some point, that undoubtedly makes you an expert on all things Italian.