The Many Faces of US Politics...

[ballinaman]

Watching acceptance speech here....somebody actually shouted KILL OBAMA out from the crowd

[stew]

So how will this effect you personally??

Financially, environmentally, and whatever else?

1) Serious questions posed as regards US multinationals FDI in Dublin.

2) Have a look at the markets, combined with Brexit there is a hell of a lot of uncertainty ahead.

3) Any friends or family living as illegals in the US? Might be time to get the spare room sorted.

4) The man carries the potential of a diplomatic crisis every time he opens his mouth and voices his ridiculous opinions.

5) Serious kick in the groin for anyone who respects women.


Is it really a question that any sane individual needs answering? Then again, sanity isn't something that goes together well with Trump supporters and the lunatic right.

Did Clinton respect women?

Americans are sick of the clintons and their ilk, they elected this twat over here, you cannot be a rude, obnoxious bitch who looks down on people, steal money, have maids print out classified secrets, lie about American dead etc and get elected,

I have no gra for Trump but I am delighted the Supreme Court will remain in conservative hands................. As for Trump, this has been the most amazing political run I have ever seen, any other candidat and I would be delighted for them, not this clown.

[Syferus]

The Democrats crying foul blaming lawsuits limiting elligable voters et al. But the fact is both sides played very dirty and Trump managed to win despite his party establishment hating him and spending far less than Clinton.

Says his message connected and he won as fairly and as squarely as any Republican presidential nominee in my lifetime. There are going to be some incredible case studies and deep dives into the data of this election in the years ahead.

[grounded]

That implies the voters regretting what they've done Declan. I actually think there is a proper support for Trump and his populist messages. Whether they regret it when he doesn't do some of the stuff he said he will (hopefully), is another thing.

I think the one thing this election has shown, if Brexit and the previous UK election didn't, is that pollsters and political experts haven't any more of a clue than the rest of us. I was listening to the coverage most of the night on FOX radio, CNN radio, NPR radio and BBC World Service. They were *ALL* calling Pennsylvania for Clinton, even as the night was going against her. I went to sleep when I heard Wisconsin was called for Trump by AP, because I guessed at that stage that she'd lose one of the states that she now needed to run the table on.

But in general I think most of the prognosticators got egg on their faces because they refused to believe that Trumps populism would hit a chord with what is still the biggest voting demographic in the US. All the media coverage and stupid celebrity tweets don't change the fact that Trump was saying things that like it or not struck a chord with a lot of people. The fact he also said other things which would appear to make him unfit to be leader of a Weightwatchers class, never mind president of the US should have ruled him out of the race, but because he was against such a deeply unpopular opponent herself, they didn't hurt him as much as they should have, except with people who probably weren't going to vote for him anyway.

The media need to go away and re-evaluate how they cover elections and what they thought they knew. We need to basically ignore opinion polls until they prove themselves worthy of belief again.


One of the exit polls which struck a chord with me was the voting population one. At the time it said that 70% of voters where white, 12% of voters were black and 11% of voters were Hispanic. That immediately says to me that while going after the minority vote *is* important, it should not be done at the expense of the majority vote if you want to win an election. Trump fished in a bigger lake, and he caught the more fish.

A well written article here on political polls http://uk.businessinsider.com/what-is-poll-margin-of-error-and-how-can-it-be-wrong-2016-8?r=US&IR=T

Gallup dropped out 2015 in political horse racing.

[Zulu]

May in the long term be a good thing for democracy around the world. The working and struggling classes have by and large spoken in the Uk and now America.

Governments will now have to pay more attention to that section of the population very often disregarded and sad to say very often sneered at ( including some posters on this forum). Absolutely nothing wrong with people who left school early to earn a living/ work a trade etc  having a say in democracy .

Victory yesterday for the people who like their coffee to come from a kettle / coffee pot as opposed to coming  frothy from a machine.

I had that thought too. I think this is a reality check. The silent majority is still the majority and you have to cater for their concerns, not just the popular causes, to win big elections.

Don't really agree. These working class voters voted for a billionaire, from an already wealthy family who has shipped their manufacturing jobs to China himself, apparently stiffed sub-contractors and ran a con-job university selling the 'dream' to gullible ordinary folk. It seems the working class continue to do what they've always done and vote for, or accept, leaders who will play to their gallery but never do anything for them.

[OgraAnDun]

So how will this effect you personally??

Financially, environmentally, and whatever else?

1) Serious questions posed as regards US multinationals FDI in Dublin.

2) Have a look at the markets, combined with Brexit there is a hell of a lot of uncertainty ahead.

3) Any friends or family living as illegals in the US? Might be time to get the spare room sorted.

4) The man carries the potential of a diplomatic crisis every time he opens his mouth and voices his ridiculous opinions.

5) Serious kick in the groin for anyone who respects women.


Is it really a question that any sane individual needs answering? Then again, sanity isn't something that goes together well with Trump supporters and the lunatic right.

Did Clinton respect women?

Americans are sick of the clintons and their ilk, they elected this twat over here, you cannot be a rude, obnoxious bitch who looks down on people, steal money, have maids print out classified secrets, lie about American dead etc and get elected,

I have no gra for Trump but I am delighted the Supreme Court will remain in conservative hands................. As for Trump, this has been the most amazing political run I have ever seen, any other candidat and I would be delighted for them, not this clown.

I hate Clinton but I'd rather her than the buffoon the Americans just elected, at least she wasn't proclaiming that famous men can grab women whenever and wherever they want just because they're famous. The hypocrisy of both of them is ridiculous but at least with Clinton we're not running the risk of a nuclear war the next time "The Donald" is offended by another country. When the markets are still f*cked over in six months the people that matter in society will get onto their puppets and Trump won't see out 2017 anyway.

[J70]

May in the long term be a good thing for democracy around the world. The working and struggling classes have by and large spoken in the Uk and now America.

Governments will now have to pay more attention to that section of the population very often disregarded and sad to say very often sneered at ( including some posters on this forum). Absolutely nothing wrong with people who left school early to earn a living/ work a trade etc  having a say in democracy .

Victory yesterday for the people who like their coffee to come from a kettle / coffee pot as opposed to coming  frothy from a machine.

I had that thought too. I think this is a reality check. The silent majority is still the majority and you have to cater for their concerns, not just the popular causes, to win big elections.

But what has Trump promised them?

Are trade wars going to reverse decades of mechanization/automation and industrial flight in search of lower costs and thus cheaper prices?

Are all these put-upon white people going to start to do the landscaping, roofing, asbestos abatement, hotel room cleaning and food delivery jobs that Hispanic immigrants are now doing?

How are poorer whites going to fare now when Paul Ryan budgets, slashing benefits, medical coverage and programmes, left, right and centre, in favour of tax cuts for the rich, suddenly start passing congress and the White House?

[sid waddell]

May in the long term be a good thing for democracy around the world. The working and struggling classes have by and large spoken in the Uk and now America.

Governments will now have to pay more attention to that section of the population very often disregarded and sad to say very often sneered at ( including some posters on this forum). Absolutely nothing wrong with people who left school early to earn a living/ work a trade etc  having a say in democracy .

Victory yesterday for the people who like their coffee to come from a kettle / coffee pot as opposed to coming  frothy from a machine.

The problem is that the people who will really do work for the poor in society weren't selected in the primaries (Sanders), or are attacked by the media in an attempt to not let them anywhere near power (Corbyn, SF, Podemos in Spain etc).

Trump offers little other than the same old failed slash taxes for the rich, trickle down nonsense. He has promised a moratorium on financial regulation and wants to get rid of Dodd-Frank. A 17 year Goldman Sachs veteran in Steve Mnuchin is likely to be appointed Treasury Secretary.

John Bolton, who wants to bomb Iran, may well be his Secretary of State.

"Anti-establishment outsider" he is not, he's the polar opposite.

[Canalman]

May in the long term be a good thing for democracy around the world. The working and struggling classes have by and large spoken in the Uk and now America.

Governments will now have to pay more attention to that section of the population very often disregarded and sad to say very often sneered at ( including some posters on this forum). Absolutely nothing wrong with people who left school early to earn a living/ work a trade etc  having a say in democracy .

Victory yesterday for the people who like their coffee to come from a kettle / coffee pot as opposed to coming  frothy from a machine.

I had that thought too. I think this is a reality check. The silent majority is still the majority and you have to cater for their concerns, not just the popular causes, to win big elections.

But what has Trump promised them?

Are trade wars going to reverse decades of mechanization and industrial flight in search of lower costs and thus cheaper prices?

Are all these put-upon white people going to start to do the landscaping, roofing, asbestos abatement, hotel room cleaning and food delivery jobs that Hispanic immigrants are now doing?

How are poorer whites going to fare now when Paul Ryan budgets, slashing benefits, medical coverage and programmes, left, right and centre, in favour of tax cuts for the rich, suddenly start passing congress and the White House?

My post wasn't endorsing Trump, just saying that I think Democracy is perversely all the better after this election as it will compel governments everywhere to pay heed to a portion of the population very often disregarded. Imo of course.

[seafoid]

The GOP can't whine any more. No need for obstructionism. They won everything.
So they have the ball. And they can't blame anyone else if they f**k it up
They can destroy Obamacare. But will they fix healthcare?

They aren't even a united party.

The US is at a point in history where several structural crises are blowing up at the same time. Healthcare, inequality, vets, climate, economy

Lying to gain power is no help. Ask Theresa May.

The Trump euphoria will wear off. The GOP is funded by the same deplorables as the Democratic party.
It will be fascinating. Money vs the voters. Giuliani, Christie and Gingrich are Yank versions of Bojo, Davies and Gove . They have no ideas.

Bonaparte said never get involved when your enemy is making a mistake.
The Dems should get in some sofas and a big order of popcorn.

[grounded]

I can't help thinking about this clip everytime i hear a local politician congratulate Trump this morning!

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjdyLrvw5vQAhXJVSwKHRGOBNEQtwIIHzAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DN38z9gYOEIY&usg=AFQjCNERAyGXb4R1KWCRyJYf4Fhz1PDh2Q

[AZOffaly]

May in the long term be a good thing for democracy around the world. The working and struggling classes have by and large spoken in the Uk and now America.

Governments will now have to pay more attention to that section of the population very often disregarded and sad to say very often sneered at ( including some posters on this forum). Absolutely nothing wrong with people who left school early to earn a living/ work a trade etc  having a say in democracy .

Victory yesterday for the people who like their coffee to come from a kettle / coffee pot as opposed to coming  frothy from a machine.

I had that thought too. I think this is a reality check. The silent majority is still the majority and you have to cater for their concerns, not just the popular causes, to win big elections.

Don't really agree. These working class voters voted for a billionaire, from an already wealthy family who has shipped their manufacturing jobs to China himself, apparently stiffed sub-contractors and ran a con-job university selling the 'dream' to gullible ordinary folk. It seems the working class continue to do what they've always done and vote for, or accept, leaders who will play to their gallery but never do anything for them.

Yes, but that's what the Clinton campaign didn't ram home. What they voted for was someone who articulated the type of stuff they are worried about, and it resonated. As I said earlier, I think if Sanders ran, Trump would have lost heavily. The Democrats should have been calling out all that bullshit, but instead it became a contest between the political establishment, protecting Wall Street and Washington interests, versus a newcomer who spoke the language of the common man.

All bullshit of course, for the reasons you outline, and it will be interesting to see what he actually does to cater for those voters in power, but what it does do in America is say that you can't ignore the silent majority for the sake of chasing the latest demographic, or the latest trendy topic among celebs and media commentators.

Tell people who have it hard that you're going to make it better, tell them you'll make their fears go away, tell them you know what they are going through, and you will have a big chance of being elected.

I know populism is not exactly new. Every Irish election is an exercise in it. But in the States and in the UK, the real popular worries were not identified by the establishment, and that's why the results were a surprise to pollsters and media 'experts'.

[seafoid]

The Democrats crying foul blaming lawsuits limiting elligable voters et al. But the fact is both sides played very dirty and Trump managed to win despite his party establishment hating him and spending far less than Clinton.

Says his message connected and he won as fairly and as squarely as any Republican presidential nominee in my lifetime. There are going to be some incredible case studies and deep dives into the data of this election in the years ahead.

The GOP has to rule now. And that is hard. Ask Shane Ross.

It's like being Roscommon manager. You are answerable
No sniping from the sidelines or multiple accounts.
And the US has huge issues to deal with. Healthcare is as daunting as Mayo in Castlebar on a dry sod. .

We don't know if this election is that significant. The next one could be more important. Because the economy is not working.

[seafoid]

May in the long term be a good thing for democracy around the world. The working and struggling classes have by and large spoken in the Uk and now America.

Governments will now have to pay more attention to that section of the population very often disregarded and sad to say very often sneered at ( including some posters on this forum). Absolutely nothing wrong with people who left school early to earn a living/ work a trade etc  having a say in democracy .

Victory yesterday for the people who like their coffee to come from a kettle / coffee pot as opposed to coming  frothy from a machine.

I had that thought too. I think this is a reality check. The silent majority is still the majority and you have to cater for their concerns, not just the popular causes, to win big elections.

Don't really agree. These working class voters voted for a billionaire, from an already wealthy family who has shipped their manufacturing jobs to China himself, apparently stiffed sub-contractors and ran a con-job university selling the 'dream' to gullible ordinary folk. It seems the working class continue to do what they've always done and vote for, or accept, leaders who will play to their gallery but never do anything for them.

Yes, but that's what the Clinton campaign didn't ram home. What they voted for was someone who articulated the type of stuff they are worried about, and it resonated. As I said earlier, I think if Sanders ran, Trump would have lost heavily. The Democrats should have been calling out all that bullshit, but instead it became a contest between the political establishment, protecting Wall Street and Washington interests, versus a newcomer who spoke the language of the common man.

All bullshit of course, for the reasons you outline, and it will be interesting to see what he actually does to cater for those voters in power, but what it does do in America is say that you can't ignore the silent majority for the sake of chasing the latest demographic, or the latest trendy topic among celebs and media commentators.

Tell people who have it hard that you're going to make it better, tell them you'll make their fears go away, tell them you know what they are going through, and you will have a big chance of being elected.

I know populism is not exactly new. Every Irish election is an exercise in it. But in the States and in the UK, the real popular worries were not identified by the establishment, and that's why the results were a surprise to pollsters and media 'experts'.

The media kept on selling the idea that things were fine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziwYbVx_-qg

Bernie was unacceptable to the funders.

[AZOffaly]

I presume the Republicans hold all three arms of the legislature now? That's actually a massive thing in terms of policy and reversing a lot of the stuff that Obama got through. I'm not sure there'll be a wall from California to the Gulf of MExico, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Obamacare get the boot.

A Trump presidency with a Democratic Congress would have been less drastic, but this could be a radical, radical shift to the conservative/right.

The other thing is because he has this mandate, and the GOP control the other houses, he has little wriggle room if he does not manage to keep muslims out of America or build a wall around Mexico or generally make America Great again.

Interesting times.