LSFC - Longford v Dublin 31 May 2015 in Croke Park

Started by Shamrock Shore, May 18, 2015, 09:41:16 AM

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What will the outcome be?

Narrow Dublin win
1 (1.8%)
Massive Dublin win
16 (28.1%)
Oh Sweet Jesus Dublin win
18 (31.6%)
Longford pull off shock of the century
16 (28.1%)
Donegal will say No
6 (10.5%)

Total Members Voted: 57

Voting closed: June 18, 2015, 09:41:16 AM

INDIANA

Quote from: Syferus on June 03, 2015, 06:06:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 03, 2015, 03:17:38 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 03, 2015, 02:26:30 PM
Quote from: Zulu on June 03, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
No it wouldn't and the only money the GAA can redistribute is their own but before you'd do even that you'd have to identify where you'd get a return. No point in wasting money either. By the way nobody is proposing a losers group so lets stick to facts.

There should be rules on sponsorship and where you can get money from. The GAA needs to distribute the money it has in a more fair manner. Improving the standard of football in every county is not wasting money. Some people seem to want an elite league while the rest just get out of their way.

Why should a county have to redistribute their sponsorship. AIG want to sponsor Dublin not Carlow. It's up to the GAA to look after Carlow not Dublin.
People have no idea how backward the structures in these counties are due to the county boards that exist there. Dublin as usual get the blame for everything. You could give millions to these county boards and the problem will still exist.

It's called parity. Many American sports practice it so as to create as level a playing field as possible. Doesn't mean some teams don't end up losing a lot still but it means they all have much more hope of being competive than even middle ranking teams in other sports do. The EPL would be an example of a league / sport where there is very little parity even if they share TV money. Thst alone won't bring parity into Gaelic football either.

I see no reason why money given to Dublin shouldn't be redistributed to other more needy areas of the country once the cuts fairly reflect the playing numbers and unique costs in each county. There's not really a good case to be made for excess particular when it's at the expense of the entire sport's health.

There should be hard caps on IC spending too and the rules enforced with proper oversight and not the behind the bike shed donations and deals we see these days. I think that would help everyone, the teams that can't afford massive budgets and the bigger counties who now resemble junkies recklessly chasing the next high, be it trips to Miami or Portugal or a fat cheque to a sports psychologist.

Coming from a county who invested heavily  in a Bus that's a bit rich that looks like the worst excesses of a Keith Richards concert that's a bit rich

Rossfan

Don't let the facts get in the way Indy.
That Bus is leased and paid for by a number of sponsors, costing the Co Board nowt.
As we don't get to play nearly all our games at home the Co Board would have a fine big bill for bus hire annually if they stuck to th'oul way of doing things.
I see Uachtaràn CLCG is asking Counties to submit ideas/proposals for re vamping the football Championship if they're not happy with the current format.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Syferus

#347
Quote from: INDIANA on June 03, 2015, 10:39:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 03, 2015, 06:06:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 03, 2015, 03:17:38 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 03, 2015, 02:26:30 PM
Quote from: Zulu on June 03, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
No it wouldn't and the only money the GAA can redistribute is their own but before you'd do even that you'd have to identify where you'd get a return. No point in wasting money either. By the way nobody is proposing a losers group so lets stick to facts.

There should be rules on sponsorship and where you can get money from. The GAA needs to distribute the money it has in a more fair manner. Improving the standard of football in every county is not wasting money. Some people seem to want an elite league while the rest just get out of their way.

Why should a county have to redistribute their sponsorship. AIG want to sponsor Dublin not Carlow. It's up to the GAA to look after Carlow not Dublin.
People have no idea how backward the structures in these counties are due to the county boards that exist there. Dublin as usual get the blame for everything. You could give millions to these county boards and the problem will still exist.

It's called parity. Many American sports practice it so as to create as level a playing field as possible. Doesn't mean some teams don't end up losing a lot still but it means they all have much more hope of being competive than even middle ranking teams in other sports do. The EPL would be an example of a league / sport where there is very little parity even if they share TV money. Thst alone won't bring parity into Gaelic football either.

I see no reason why money given to Dublin shouldn't be redistributed to other more needy areas of the country once the cuts fairly reflect the playing numbers and unique costs in each county. There's not really a good case to be made for excess particular when it's at the expense of the entire sport's health.

There should be hard caps on IC spending too and the rules enforced with proper oversight and not the behind the bike shed donations and deals we see these days. I think that would help everyone, the teams that can't afford massive budgets and the bigger counties who now resemble junkies recklessly chasing the next high, be it trips to Miami or Portugal or a fat cheque to a sports psychologist.

Coming from a county who invested heavily  in a Bus that's a bit rich that looks like the worst excesses of a Keith Richards concert that's a bit rich

Loaned a bus that makes us a profit, actually. But ya, if that's all you've got I must be on the right track..

INDIANA

Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2015, 11:01:46 PM
Don't let the facts get in the way Indy.
That Bus is leased and paid for by a number of sponsors, costing the Co Board nowt.
As we don't get to play nearly all our games at home the Co Board would have a fine big bill for bus hire annually if they stuck to th'oul way of doing things.
I see Uachtaràn CLCG is asking Counties to submit ideas/proposals for re vamping the football Championship if they're not happy with the current format.

Why don't you pool the monies from the sponsors for the Bus for the likes of Leitrim since you're in such a benevolent state of mind

Blowitupref

Quote from: Zulu on June 03, 2015, 11:57:45 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 03, 2015, 11:50:24 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 03, 2015, 11:46:59 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 03, 2015, 11:37:52 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 03, 2015, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 03, 2015, 11:21:34 AM
Parity in preparation should be the first goal and not changing competition based on a system where one county has a mountain of money and a few others have hills of money to utilize. The GAA needs to properly police itself financially at IC because it went beyond insane years ago now. I'd wager more counties would be able to compete with more regularity if they were on an even playing field financially and there was good oversight provided. To me that will end up being more sustainable for the GAA than simply dumping teams into gettos and expecting it to improve things.

Look that's nonsense. Even the lads arguing for the retention of the provincials have posted up results showing hammering were always there even before money became an issue.

Hardly nonsense. If you don't think Dublin's expensive and well funded senior set-up contributed to what happened last Sunday it's going to be very hard to have a sensible discussion on the topic.

So what was the reason for the Miltown massacre? Were Kerry getting millions in the 1970's? If you think money rather than a population of 1.5 million v a population of 40,000 was the bigger factor then you're right a sensible discussion is beyond you.

Yeah but Zulu, the money spent wisely helps harness the power of the 1.5 million. That's what the Dubs have done well, and are an example to everyone. Whether you have 1.5 million, or 40,000 you must harness and maximise what you have. Well invested funds help you do that. At the end of the day, you can still only tog out 26.

Agree 100% but Dublin's money is not the reason Waterford were hammered by Tipp or Leitrim by Galway. Let's not muddy the waters with side issues.

Leitrim 0-8 Galway 1-13. If Longford had lost by similar margin on Sunday then this thread would be about 10 pages.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Jinxy

It was only a matter of time before the bus was brought up.
If you were any use you'd be playing.

Rossfan

Quiet you please.
Sure most of ye can commute by train to Croker where most of ye're games are played too. :P
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Rossfan

Ros in Div 4 eh???
How quickly we forget how low we fell...... :-[
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM