Tyrone Club Football and Hurling

[Boghopper]

Just a humble reminder that Errigal Ciaran covers 80 square mile. 76 square mile covers 13 clubs in east Tyrone. Derrytresk being one of them. There is a reason Errigal 3rds did not win the 3B league. That is because 3/4 of their team today played Division 1 / Division 1 Reserves while the 3B league was ongoing.

So true a cross section of their genuine thirds results:

Monday 7th Jul 2025
Begleyssports.com ACL Division 3B 12
Derrytresk Fir an Chnoic
5-18
0-7
Errigal Ciaran

Begleyssports.com ACL Division 3B 16
Urney St Columba's
2-14
0-9
Errigal Ciaran
Venue: Urney

Begleyssports.com ACL Division 3B 13
Errigal Ciaran
CON
0-0
Breac an Bhile Eoghan Rua
Venue: Errigal Ciaran


Begleyssports.com ACL Division 3B 17
Errigal Ciaran
1-6
4-12
Clann na nGael
Venue: Errigal Ciaran

Yeah but that was a genuine thirds team out pathetic that Division 1 players have to drop down and play against teams whose underage played mostly grade 3 or 4 for an ego boost 🤣🤣. The thirds times have disrespected and made a mockery out of a competition for the lowest ranked clubs in the county Omagh DNF countless games and were involved in some questionable results beaten boy Killyman who then got hammered by Brackaville only to subsequently get beaten by the same Omagh team allegedly who were fielding players against some teams but not others like Tattyreagh who one can only assume they didn't field because the Tatts would know whether those lines out were genuine or not. Donaghmore were the whipping boys in the league and finished below Killyman in the league who beat them convincingly early in the league only to bizarrely lose by a cricket score in the final league game. I have not spoken to anyone from CNG to Killyman who has had anything positive to say about these thirds teams participating in the junior league and championship. Perhaps with this year's shenanigans its now the time for a recreational league for thirds teams and to allow junior football a bit of integrity again a 3rds league line you have in Derry.

List the players from the programme who played in Division 1 this season.

Division 1 and Division 1 reserve some played in Division 1 reserve championship against Ardboe but apparently its within the rules to play junior championship even if you haven't played junior league so long as you haven't played senior championship this year or last year. Undeniable that these lads played from what I was shown they are in action shots that I was shown from league games v Trillick and Donaghmore, plus Ardboe men were saying they played Div 1 Reserve with Kyle Coney as Derrytresk manager that was always going to come out. Check the photos from
The junior championship with photos that I was shown from EC Facebook and we are Tyrone its bloody obvious. Additionally I am led to believe that EC didn't deny playing div 1 players as a loophole in the rules allows them to play anyone who wasn't on the field of play down to junior therefore unused senior subs and all div 1 reserves were eligible to play in the junior championship despite never playing a junior league match. It's as mad as it sounds. You'd need to ask someone from Derrytresk their  names but the photos I saw don't lie unless the EC Facebook admin starts deleting 😂

[Boghopper]

A pity Dungannon and Trillick met this early in the championship, after what they went through last year I doubt many would begrudge them an O'Neill cup.

[OverTheBarista]

Hurson with one of the worst refereeing performances of recent times!
Overruled his umpire on the 2 pointer and was completely wrong, Dungannon lost momentum after that

[ShutterinbyDayGAAbyNight]

What parish are glencull out of Errigals 10 parishes?

[thebigfullforward]

Thought Hurson sore on Dungannon at times. Think there was a foul outside the arc near the end when 2 in it. Assume he was playing advantage (as looked like dungannon player was celebrating after the tackle) and dungannon where having a free pop at a goal. But overturned and no free.

Fairly sure the free was given there. The Dungannon man just used the tap and go and got bottled up. Not Hursons fault there

[Easttyrone23]

Hurson with one of the worst refereeing performances of recent times!
Overruled his umpire on the 2 pointer and was completely wrong, Dungannon lost momentum after that

Would it be good refereeing if he didn't overrule the umpire even though he thought it was over? Umpires can be wrong as well for example at the same goalposts around this time last year omagh kicked a free clearly over the bar and the umpire give it as a wide then killyclogher went on to win by a point with a last second goal.

I'm not sure whether it was the right or wrong call but in fairness Hurson was standing right behind the kicker so would have had a good view.

[Easttyrone23]

Thought Hurson sore on Dungannon at times. Think there was a foul outside the arc near the end when 2 in it. Assume he was playing advantage (as looked like dungannon player was celebrating after the tackle) and dungannon where having a free pop at a goal. But overturned and no free.

Fairly sure the free was given there. The Dungannon man just used the tap and go and got bottled up. Not Hursons fault there

He did blow for a free although I think it might have just been inside the arc but it was awful decision making by the Dungannon player to tap and go rather than hit the free or if it was inside the arc play it short and work for a 2 pointer.

[Easttyrone23]

Tighten the rules or create a separate novice grade for thirds where D3 teams can enter and cook the books to punch down in return, see how keen Donaghmore EC and Omagh are then

A separate novice grade has literally been made this season (3b) so weaker clubs and stronger clubs 3rds team can be competitive rather than having to play the stronger junior clubs.

Errigal have generally always had a competitive 3rds team and have literally just knocked out the division 3b league winners from the championship. omagh and Donaghmores 3rds aren't very competitive but they have a 3rds team so many lads not good enough to make senior/reserves won't miss out on playing football.

[ManFromMoygashel]

Tighten the rules or create a separate novice grade for thirds where D3 teams can enter and cook the books to punch down in return, see how keen Donaghmore EC and Omagh are then

A separate novice grade has literally been made this season (3b) so weaker clubs and stronger clubs 3rds team can be competitive rather than having to play the stronger junior clubs.

Errigal have generally always had a competitive 3rds team and have literally just knocked out the division 3b league winners from the championship. omagh and Donaghmores 3rds aren't very competitive but they have a 3rds team so many lads not good enough to make senior/reserves won't miss out on playing football.

Finally someone speaking sense. Essentially the CB have split junior in two to allow the lower teams a sense of competitiveness ( or the illusion of achievement/progression) and now we are complaining that the thirds teams are strengthening their squad. I fear too many participation trophies have been given out over the years to create this embarrassing level of entitlement from these junior teams in lower leagues.

As for omagh thirds, it didn't work out. They didn't set out to make a mockery of 3b ( it achieved that itself by its very existence) the first few years of a thirds team will always be tough to establish. They tried it and likely wont pursue it again, similar to Carrickmore a number of years ago. Omagh probably seen a 3b league as a reasonable level to try it out.

Final point on using "square footage" as some sort of justification for club strength. If you want to go down that route youd have to look at population size and all that nonsense. When you get into it youll notice no correlation between all that ( even outside of tyrone)

[Easttyrone23]

Tighten the rules or create a separate novice grade for thirds where D3 teams can enter and cook the books to punch down in return, see how keen Donaghmore EC and Omagh are then

A separate novice grade has literally been made this season (3b) so weaker clubs and stronger clubs 3rds team can be competitive rather than having to play the stronger junior clubs.

Errigal have generally always had a competitive 3rds team and have literally just knocked out the division 3b league winners from the championship. omagh and Donaghmores 3rds aren't very competitive but they have a 3rds team so many lads not good enough to make senior/reserves won't miss out on playing football.

Finally someone speaking sense. Essentially the CB have split junior in two to allow the lower teams a sense of competitiveness ( or the illusion of achievement/progression) and now we are complaining that the thirds teams are strengthening their squad. I fear too many participation trophies have been given out over the years to create this embarrassing level of entitlement from these junior teams in lower leagues.

As for omagh thirds, it didn't work out. They didn't set out to make a mockery of 3b ( it achieved that itself by its very existence) the first few years of a thirds team will always be tough to establish. They tried it and likely wont pursue it again, similar to Carrickmore a number of years ago. Omagh probably seen a 3b league as a reasonable level to try it out.

Final point on using "square footage" as some sort of justification for club strength. If you want to go down that route youd have to look at population size and all that nonsense. When you get into it youll notice no correlation between all that ( even outside of tyrone)

Square footage or population size can be a fair argument depending on the context. Obviously towns will have larger populations but also other distractions to gaa as well as mixed political/religous beliefs etc. Areas with large square footage may be rural or be seen as a unionist area that therefore wouldn't be strong in GAA.

But the example of Errigal parish having the advantage of a large population and square footage can be justified as not only is there a large nationalist majority but it's also a football stronghold with little presence of other sports like soccer, rugby, hurling etc. There are many parish's in Tyrone very similar to that but they all have more than 1 football club as well as many other clubs within a short radius to them.

[Boghopper]

Tighten the rules or create a separate novice grade for thirds where D3 teams can enter and cook the books to punch down in return, see how keen Donaghmore EC and Omagh are then

A separate novice grade has literally been made this season (3b) so weaker clubs and stronger clubs 3rds team can be competitive rather than having to play the stronger junior clubs.

Errigal have generally always had a competitive 3rds team and have literally just knocked out the division 3b league winners from the championship. omagh and Donaghmores 3rds aren't very competitive but they have a 3rds team so many lads not good enough to make senior/reserves won't miss out on playing football.

Finally someone speaking sense. Essentially the CB have split junior in two to allow the lower teams a sense of competitiveness ( or the illusion of achievement/progression) and now we are complaining that the thirds teams are strengthening their squad. I fear too many participation trophies have been given out over the years to create this embarrassing level of entitlement from these junior teams in lower leagues.

As for omagh thirds, it didn't work out. They didn't set out to make a mockery of 3b ( it achieved that itself by its very existence) the first few years of a thirds team will always be tough to establish. They tried it and likely wont pursue it again, similar to Carrickmore a number of years ago. Omagh probably seen a 3b league as a reasonable level to try it out.

Final point on using "square footage" as some sort of justification for club strength. If you want to go down that route youd have to look at population size and all that nonsense. When you get into it youll notice no correlation between all that ( even outside of tyrone)

Square footage or population size can be a fair argument depending on the context. Obviously towns will have larger populations but also other distractions to gaa as well as mixed political/religous beliefs etc. Areas with large square footage may be rural or be seen as a unionist area that therefore wouldn't be strong in GAA.

But the example of Errigal parish having the advantage of a large population and square footage can be justified as not only is there a large nationalist majority but it's also a football stronghold with little presence of other sports like soccer, rugby, hurling etc. There are many parish's in Tyrone very similar to that but they all have more than 1 football club as well as many other clubs within a short radius to them.

Clonoe Parish has four football clubs and a hurling club which also serves Coalisland parish.Clonoe Parish has no town and its only in recent years housing developments have been built to the Rahilly pitch Killeen and Brocagh its a very rural parish.

Tighten the rules or create a separate novice grade for thirds where D3 teams can enter and cook the books to punch down in return, see how keen Donaghmore EC and Omagh are then

A separate novice grade has literally been made this season (3b) so weaker clubs and stronger clubs 3rds team can be competitive rather than having to play the stronger junior clubs.

Errigal have generally always had a competitive 3rds team and have literally just knocked out the division 3b league winners from the championship. omagh and Donaghmores 3rds aren't very competitive but they have a 3rds team so many lads not good enough to make senior/reserves won't miss out on playing football.

Finally someone speaking sense. Essentially the CB have split junior in two to allow the lower teams a sense of competitiveness ( or the illusion of achievement/progression) and now we are complaining that the thirds teams are strengthening their squad. I fear too many participation trophies have been given out over the years to create this embarrassing level of entitlement from these junior teams in lower leagues.

As for omagh thirds, it didn't work out. They didn't set out to make a mockery of 3b ( it achieved that itself by its very existence) the first few years of a thirds team will always be tough to establish. They tried it and likely wont pursue it again, similar to Carrickmore a number of years ago. Omagh probably seen a 3b league as a reasonable level to try it out.

Final point on using "square footage" as some sort of justification for club strength. If you want to go down that route youd have to look at population size and all that nonsense. When you get into it youll notice no correlation between all that ( even outside of tyrone)

Two thirds teams strengthened their teams significantly from the panel they would have had available during the league compared to the team which they fielded in the championship. I don't think any other non thirds Junior Team intermediate team or senior team can pull in 7/8 players or more from a higher grade into their championship squad? Tattyreagh were intermediate 3 years ago but have lost players like James Darcy and Johnny Harkin so find themselves in 3b they just have to live within the limits of their Junior league title.

To say small teams are entitled and that too many competitions created have created an entitlement is quite an outrageous statement. The gap between 3b and The top of 3a is massive Cookstown should never be a Junior club with their numbers. You obviously have no idea how hard it is for these small clubs to survive the likes of Killyman have landed in hard times but in h to he past with small numbers they had a very competent intermediate/Junior side.

If anyone is entitled it's the EC's of this world cry about lads needing football which is fair enough when that is genuinely the case then come championship it's not enough to be one of the top teams in Senior football they pull division one players down to to try and get some ego boost by beating clubs whose youth have mostly played Grade 3/4 football. The writing was on the wall for Omagh thirds very early on when they lined the likes of Ronan O'Neill out in a McGarrity Cup match against Augher in Healy Park.

[ManFromMoygashel]

Tighten the rules or create a separate novice grade for thirds where D3 teams can enter and cook the books to punch down in return, see how keen Donaghmore EC and Omagh are then

A separate novice grade has literally been made this season (3b) so weaker clubs and stronger clubs 3rds team can be competitive rather than having to play the stronger junior clubs.

Errigal have generally always had a competitive 3rds team and have literally just knocked out the division 3b league winners from the championship. omagh and Donaghmores 3rds aren't very competitive but they have a 3rds team so many lads not good enough to make senior/reserves won't miss out on playing football.

Finally someone speaking sense. Essentially the CB have split junior in two to allow the lower teams a sense of competitiveness ( or the illusion of achievement/progression) and now we are complaining that the thirds teams are strengthening their squad. I fear too many participation trophies have been given out over the years to create this embarrassing level of entitlement from these junior teams in lower leagues.

As for omagh thirds, it didn't work out. They didn't set out to make a mockery of 3b ( it achieved that itself by its very existence) the first few years of a thirds team will always be tough to establish. They tried it and likely wont pursue it again, similar to Carrickmore a number of years ago. Omagh probably seen a 3b league as a reasonable level to try it out.

Final point on using "square footage" as some sort of justification for club strength. If you want to go down that route youd have to look at population size and all that nonsense. When you get into it youll notice no correlation between all that ( even outside of tyrone)

Square footage or population size can be a fair argument depending on the context. Obviously towns will have larger populations but also other distractions to gaa as well as mixed political/religous beliefs etc. Areas with large square footage may be rural or be seen as a unionist area that therefore wouldn't be strong in GAA.

But the example of Errigal parish having the advantage of a large population and square footage can be justified as not only is there a large nationalist majority but it's also a football stronghold with little presence of other sports like soccer, rugby, hurling etc. There are many parish's in Tyrone very similar to that but they all have more than 1 football club as well as many other clubs within a short radius to them.

Clonoe Parish has four football clubs and a hurling club which also serves Coalisland parish.Clonoe Parish has no town and its only in recent years housing developments have been built to the Rahilly pitch Killeen and Brocagh its a very rural parish.

Tighten the rules or create a separate novice grade for thirds where D3 teams can enter and cook the books to punch down in return, see how keen Donaghmore EC and Omagh are then

A separate novice grade has literally been made this season (3b) so weaker clubs and stronger clubs 3rds team can be competitive rather than having to play the stronger junior clubs.

Errigal have generally always had a competitive 3rds team and have literally just knocked out the division 3b league winners from the championship. omagh and Donaghmores 3rds aren't very competitive but they have a 3rds team so many lads not good enough to make senior/reserves won't miss out on playing football.

Finally someone speaking sense. Essentially the CB have split junior in two to allow the lower teams a sense of competitiveness ( or the illusion of achievement/progression) and now we are complaining that the thirds teams are strengthening their squad. I fear too many participation trophies have been given out over the years to create this embarrassing level of entitlement from these junior teams in lower leagues.

As for omagh thirds, it didn't work out. They didn't set out to make a mockery of 3b ( it achieved that itself by its very existence) the first few years of a thirds team will always be tough to establish. They tried it and likely wont pursue it again, similar to Carrickmore a number of years ago. Omagh probably seen a 3b league as a reasonable level to try it out.

Final point on using "square footage" as some sort of justification for club strength. If you want to go down that route youd have to look at population size and all that nonsense. When you get into it youll notice no correlation between all that ( even outside of tyrone)

Two thirds teams strengthened their teams significantly from the panel they would have had available during the league compared to the team which they fielded in the championship. I don't think any other non thirds Junior Team intermediate team or senior team can pull in 7/8 players or more from a higher grade into their championship squad? Tattyreagh were intermediate 3 years ago but have lost players like James Darcy and Johnny Harkin so find themselves in 3b they just have to live within the limits of their Junior league title.

To say small teams are entitled and that too many competitions created have created an entitlement is quite an outrageous statement. The gap between 3b and The top of 3a is massive Cookstown should never be a Junior club with their numbers. You obviously have no idea how hard it is for these small clubs to survive the likes of Killyman have landed in hard times but in h to he past with small numbers they had a very competent intermediate/Junior side.

If anyone is entitled it's the EC's of this world cry about lads needing football which is fair enough when that is genuinely the case then come championship it's not enough to be one of the top teams in Senior football they pull division one players down to to try and get some ego boost by beating clubs whose youth have mostly played Grade 3/4 football. The writing was on the wall for Omagh thirds very early on when they lined the likes of Ronan O'Neill out in a McGarrity Cup match against Augher in Healy Park.

So Derrytresk should feel hard done by because the errigle thirds teams used non league players to beat them in the first round of the championship. Fair enough i can concede that they can be aggrieved.

By rights Derrytresk should have progressed to the next round of the championship to potentially play cookstown which you state isn't fair because they're too strong for the division..

You're absolutely right, I've no idea where my narrative of entitlement came from.

Are currently successful clubs like Gabally, edendork, Loughmacory, clonoe or Gortin to a leaser degree viewed as "big" clubs or "small" clubs?

The small club narrative only seems to apply to Junior teams who arent winning.

[Aaron Boone]

4 senior games today so it's going to be a busy day. Surprised they didn't hold one over for the Monday night and keep the momentum going - Galbally v Donaghmore the best choice there. 

[ManFromMoygashel]

4 senior games today so it's going to be a busy day. Surprised they didn't hold one over for the Monday night and keep the momentum going - Galbally v Donaghmore the best choice there. 

Two double headers, and able to drive to both and miss none of it. Great day out if you've a full Sunday free for it.

Galbally and Donaghmore would be the best of the four today. Leaning towards Galbally for that one.

The way Dromore finished the league I could see them dispatching of Edendork easily enough. They'll have their name thrown in with Errigle and Trillick after today.

Carrickmore and Omagh should do what needs to be done and no more.
 

[tyroneStatto]

Looked like Conor O'Neill had an arm in a sling yesterday in Carrickmore. Advantage to Galbally.