Tyrone Club Football and Hurling

[Easttyrone23]

Hurson with one of the worst refereeing performances of recent times!
Overruled his umpire on the 2 pointer and was completely wrong, Dungannon lost momentum after that

Would it be good refereeing if he didn't overrule the umpire even though he thought it was over? Umpires can be wrong as well for example at the same goalposts around this time last year omagh kicked a free clearly over the bar and the umpire give it as a wide then killyclogher went on to win by a point with a last second goal.

I'm not sure whether it was the right or wrong call but in fairness Hurson was standing right behind the kicker so would have had a good view.

[Easttyrone23]

Thought Hurson sore on Dungannon at times. Think there was a foul outside the arc near the end when 2 in it. Assume he was playing advantage (as looked like dungannon player was celebrating after the tackle) and dungannon where having a free pop at a goal. But overturned and no free.

Fairly sure the free was given there. The Dungannon man just used the tap and go and got bottled up. Not Hursons fault there

He did blow for a free although I think it might have just been inside the arc but it was awful decision making by the Dungannon player to tap and go rather than hit the free or if it was inside the arc play it short and work for a 2 pointer.

[Easttyrone23]

Tighten the rules or create a separate novice grade for thirds where D3 teams can enter and cook the books to punch down in return, see how keen Donaghmore EC and Omagh are then

A separate novice grade has literally been made this season (3b) so weaker clubs and stronger clubs 3rds team can be competitive rather than having to play the stronger junior clubs.

Errigal have generally always had a competitive 3rds team and have literally just knocked out the division 3b league winners from the championship. omagh and Donaghmores 3rds aren't very competitive but they have a 3rds team so many lads not good enough to make senior/reserves won't miss out on playing football.

[ManFromMoygashel]

Tighten the rules or create a separate novice grade for thirds where D3 teams can enter and cook the books to punch down in return, see how keen Donaghmore EC and Omagh are then

A separate novice grade has literally been made this season (3b) so weaker clubs and stronger clubs 3rds team can be competitive rather than having to play the stronger junior clubs.

Errigal have generally always had a competitive 3rds team and have literally just knocked out the division 3b league winners from the championship. omagh and Donaghmores 3rds aren't very competitive but they have a 3rds team so many lads not good enough to make senior/reserves won't miss out on playing football.

Finally someone speaking sense. Essentially the CB have split junior in two to allow the lower teams a sense of competitiveness ( or the illusion of achievement/progression) and now we are complaining that the thirds teams are strengthening their squad. I fear too many participation trophies have been given out over the years to create this embarrassing level of entitlement from these junior teams in lower leagues.

As for omagh thirds, it didn't work out. They didn't set out to make a mockery of 3b ( it achieved that itself by its very existence) the first few years of a thirds team will always be tough to establish. They tried it and likely wont pursue it again, similar to Carrickmore a number of years ago. Omagh probably seen a 3b league as a reasonable level to try it out.

Final point on using "square footage" as some sort of justification for club strength. If you want to go down that route youd have to look at population size and all that nonsense. When you get into it youll notice no correlation between all that ( even outside of tyrone)

[Easttyrone23]

Tighten the rules or create a separate novice grade for thirds where D3 teams can enter and cook the books to punch down in return, see how keen Donaghmore EC and Omagh are then

A separate novice grade has literally been made this season (3b) so weaker clubs and stronger clubs 3rds team can be competitive rather than having to play the stronger junior clubs.

Errigal have generally always had a competitive 3rds team and have literally just knocked out the division 3b league winners from the championship. omagh and Donaghmores 3rds aren't very competitive but they have a 3rds team so many lads not good enough to make senior/reserves won't miss out on playing football.

Finally someone speaking sense. Essentially the CB have split junior in two to allow the lower teams a sense of competitiveness ( or the illusion of achievement/progression) and now we are complaining that the thirds teams are strengthening their squad. I fear too many participation trophies have been given out over the years to create this embarrassing level of entitlement from these junior teams in lower leagues.

As for omagh thirds, it didn't work out. They didn't set out to make a mockery of 3b ( it achieved that itself by its very existence) the first few years of a thirds team will always be tough to establish. They tried it and likely wont pursue it again, similar to Carrickmore a number of years ago. Omagh probably seen a 3b league as a reasonable level to try it out.

Final point on using "square footage" as some sort of justification for club strength. If you want to go down that route youd have to look at population size and all that nonsense. When you get into it youll notice no correlation between all that ( even outside of tyrone)

Square footage or population size can be a fair argument depending on the context. Obviously towns will have larger populations but also other distractions to gaa as well as mixed political/religous beliefs etc. Areas with large square footage may be rural or be seen as a unionist area that therefore wouldn't be strong in GAA.

But the example of Errigal parish having the advantage of a large population and square footage can be justified as not only is there a large nationalist majority but it's also a football stronghold with little presence of other sports like soccer, rugby, hurling etc. There are many parish's in Tyrone very similar to that but they all have more than 1 football club as well as many other clubs within a short radius to them.

[Boghopper]

Tighten the rules or create a separate novice grade for thirds where D3 teams can enter and cook the books to punch down in return, see how keen Donaghmore EC and Omagh are then

A separate novice grade has literally been made this season (3b) so weaker clubs and stronger clubs 3rds team can be competitive rather than having to play the stronger junior clubs.

Errigal have generally always had a competitive 3rds team and have literally just knocked out the division 3b league winners from the championship. omagh and Donaghmores 3rds aren't very competitive but they have a 3rds team so many lads not good enough to make senior/reserves won't miss out on playing football.

Finally someone speaking sense. Essentially the CB have split junior in two to allow the lower teams a sense of competitiveness ( or the illusion of achievement/progression) and now we are complaining that the thirds teams are strengthening their squad. I fear too many participation trophies have been given out over the years to create this embarrassing level of entitlement from these junior teams in lower leagues.

As for omagh thirds, it didn't work out. They didn't set out to make a mockery of 3b ( it achieved that itself by its very existence) the first few years of a thirds team will always be tough to establish. They tried it and likely wont pursue it again, similar to Carrickmore a number of years ago. Omagh probably seen a 3b league as a reasonable level to try it out.

Final point on using "square footage" as some sort of justification for club strength. If you want to go down that route youd have to look at population size and all that nonsense. When you get into it youll notice no correlation between all that ( even outside of tyrone)

Square footage or population size can be a fair argument depending on the context. Obviously towns will have larger populations but also other distractions to gaa as well as mixed political/religous beliefs etc. Areas with large square footage may be rural or be seen as a unionist area that therefore wouldn't be strong in GAA.

But the example of Errigal parish having the advantage of a large population and square footage can be justified as not only is there a large nationalist majority but it's also a football stronghold with little presence of other sports like soccer, rugby, hurling etc. There are many parish's in Tyrone very similar to that but they all have more than 1 football club as well as many other clubs within a short radius to them.

Clonoe Parish has four football clubs and a hurling club which also serves Coalisland parish.Clonoe Parish has no town and its only in recent years housing developments have been built to the Rahilly pitch Killeen and Brocagh its a very rural parish.

Tighten the rules or create a separate novice grade for thirds where D3 teams can enter and cook the books to punch down in return, see how keen Donaghmore EC and Omagh are then

A separate novice grade has literally been made this season (3b) so weaker clubs and stronger clubs 3rds team can be competitive rather than having to play the stronger junior clubs.

Errigal have generally always had a competitive 3rds team and have literally just knocked out the division 3b league winners from the championship. omagh and Donaghmores 3rds aren't very competitive but they have a 3rds team so many lads not good enough to make senior/reserves won't miss out on playing football.

Finally someone speaking sense. Essentially the CB have split junior in two to allow the lower teams a sense of competitiveness ( or the illusion of achievement/progression) and now we are complaining that the thirds teams are strengthening their squad. I fear too many participation trophies have been given out over the years to create this embarrassing level of entitlement from these junior teams in lower leagues.

As for omagh thirds, it didn't work out. They didn't set out to make a mockery of 3b ( it achieved that itself by its very existence) the first few years of a thirds team will always be tough to establish. They tried it and likely wont pursue it again, similar to Carrickmore a number of years ago. Omagh probably seen a 3b league as a reasonable level to try it out.

Final point on using "square footage" as some sort of justification for club strength. If you want to go down that route youd have to look at population size and all that nonsense. When you get into it youll notice no correlation between all that ( even outside of tyrone)

Two thirds teams strengthened their teams significantly from the panel they would have had available during the league compared to the team which they fielded in the championship. I don't think any other non thirds Junior Team intermediate team or senior team can pull in 7/8 players or more from a higher grade into their championship squad? Tattyreagh were intermediate 3 years ago but have lost players like James Darcy and Johnny Harkin so find themselves in 3b they just have to live within the limits of their Junior league title.

To say small teams are entitled and that too many competitions created have created an entitlement is quite an outrageous statement. The gap between 3b and The top of 3a is massive Cookstown should never be a Junior club with their numbers. You obviously have no idea how hard it is for these small clubs to survive the likes of Killyman have landed in hard times but in h to he past with small numbers they had a very competent intermediate/Junior side.

If anyone is entitled it's the EC's of this world cry about lads needing football which is fair enough when that is genuinely the case then come championship it's not enough to be one of the top teams in Senior football they pull division one players down to to try and get some ego boost by beating clubs whose youth have mostly played Grade 3/4 football. The writing was on the wall for Omagh thirds very early on when they lined the likes of Ronan O'Neill out in a McGarrity Cup match against Augher in Healy Park.