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« Reply #9990 on: June 25, 2019, 09:51:10 PM »
I have always been a harte supporter but should mickey not take a look at malachy leaving with high praise and dignity and do the right thing. Year after year its the same issues. Its getting boring and must be feeding into the players. Someone else might not work but i think its worth the risk given the talent in the county

I'm beginning to think the same that the time might be right for a break but I think people overrate the talent in the county. We have some very good players but would we have a player you'd rank in the top 10-15 players in the country? Would we have a player who you'd say is the best in his position in the country?

We are a good side and over the past few years we have consistently been one of the top 4 sides in the country so I think Harte has got the most out of the team but if things are going stale then it might be time for a change.


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« Reply #9991 on: June 25, 2019, 10:13:40 PM »
I have always been a harte supporter but should mickey not take a look at malachy leaving with high praise and dignity and do the right thing. Year after year its the same issues. Its getting boring and must be feeding into the players. Someone else might not work but i think its worth the risk given the talent in the county
hartes only gonna do the right thing for himself, and that means stay in power and milk the thing for all it's worth. M o rourke is absolute gent and a top class manager. Harte couldn't lace his boots. I'd be proud to have a gent like that manage Tyrone.

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« Reply #9992 on: June 25, 2019, 10:45:18 PM »
I have always been a harte supporter but should mickey not take a look at malachy leaving with high praise and dignity and do the right thing. Year after year its the same issues. Its getting boring and must be feeding into the players. Someone else might not work but i think its worth the risk given the talent in the county
hartes only gonna do the right thing for himself, and that means stay in power and milk the thing for all it's worth. M o rourke is absolute gent and a top class manager. Harte couldn't lace his boots. I'd be proud to have a gent like that manage Tyrone.

I think his record compared to Harte might suggest other wise. Even over the last 6/7 years with probably the strongest Monaghan team ever and one of if not the top forward in Ireland their record still isnít as good as Tyroneís. Both won two Ulsterís but Tyrone got to at least the semi final stage on 4 occasions compared to one for Monaghan. They also lost the 3 big knock out games in Croke park to Tyrone and in the first two where out smarted on the line.

Also i could only imagine the reaction by the likes of you if Tyrone lost championship games to the likes of Armagh, down, Fermanagh and Longford over a few years.

I donít want to be overly harsh on OíRourke who is a good manager and a players man but there is lot of nonsense being talked when comparing him to Harte.

As stated previously now is the time to get behind the team not question management who got us to an Ireland final last year despite a poor start to the championship then too. My biggest concern isnít management but the loss of Bradley and Hampsey from last year and a weakened squad.

If Hampsey is gone I think we may have to drop mattie back to centre half to give a physical presence there but weíre running out of forwards. Loughran another impact sub gone from last year.

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« Reply #9993 on: June 25, 2019, 10:53:10 PM »
I have always been a harte supporter but should mickey not take a look at malachy leaving with high praise and dignity and do the right thing. Year after year its the same issues. Its getting boring and must be feeding into the players. Someone else might not work but i think its worth the risk given the talent in the county
hartes only gonna do the right thing for himself, and that means stay in power and milk the thing for all it's worth. M o rourke is absolute gent and a top class manager. Harte couldn't lace his boots. I'd be proud to have a gent like that manage Tyrone.

I think his record compared to Harte might suggest other wise. Even over the last 6/7 years with probably the strongest Monaghan team ever and one of if not the top forward in Ireland their record still isnít as good as Tyroneís. Both won two Ulsterís but Tyrone got to at least the semi final stage on 4 occasions compared to one for Monaghan. They also lost the 3 big knock out games in Croke park to Tyrone and in the first two where out smarted on the line.

Also i could only imagine the reaction by the likes of you if Tyrone lost championship games to the likes of Armagh, down, Fermanagh and Longford over a few years.

I donít want to be overly harsh on OíRourke who is a good manager and a players man but there is lot of nonsense being talked when comparing him to Harte.

As stated previously now is the time to get behind the team not question management who got us to an Ireland final last year despite a poor start to the championship then too. My biggest concern isnít management but the loss of Bradley and Hampsey from last year and a weakened squad.

If Hampsey is gone I think we may have to drop mattie back to centre half to give a physical presence there but weíre running out of forwards. Loughran another impact sub gone from last year.

What's the story with Loughran? Injured or walked?


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« Reply #9994 on: Today at 08:34:40 AM »
I have always been a harte supporter but should mickey not take a look at malachy leaving with high praise and dignity and do the right thing. Year after year its the same issues. Its getting boring and must be feeding into the players. Someone else might not work but i think its worth the risk given the talent in the county
hartes only gonna do the right thing for himself, and that means stay in power and milk the thing for all it's worth. M o rourke is absolute gent and a top class manager. Harte couldn't lace his boots. I'd be proud to have a gent like that manage Tyrone.

I think his record compared to Harte might suggest other wise. Even over the last 6/7 years with probably the strongest Monaghan team ever and one of if not the top forward in Ireland their record still isnít as good as Tyroneís. Both won two Ulsterís but Tyrone got to at least the semi final stage on 4 occasions compared to one for Monaghan. They also lost the 3 big knock out games in Croke park to Tyrone and in the first two where out smarted on the line.

Also i could only imagine the reaction by the likes of you if Tyrone lost championship games to the likes of Armagh, down, Fermanagh and Longford over a few years.

I donít want to be overly harsh on OíRourke who is a good manager and a players man but there is lot of nonsense being talked when comparing him to Harte.

As stated previously now is the time to get behind the team not question management who got us to an Ireland final last year despite a poor start to the championship then too. My biggest concern isnít management but the loss of Bradley and Hampsey from last year and a weakened squad.

If Hampsey is gone I think we may have to drop mattie back to centre half to give a physical presence there but weíre running out of forwards. Loughran another impact sub gone from last year.

What's the story with Loughran? Injured or walked?

Injured for most of the year and still out. Popped up with a couple of important goals last year and was another option from the bench.

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« Reply #9995 on: Today at 08:52:32 AM »
I have always been a harte supporter but should mickey not take a look at malachy leaving with high praise and dignity and do the right thing. Year after year its the same issues. Its getting boring and must be feeding into the players. Someone else might not work but i think its worth the risk given the talent in the county
hartes only gonna do the right thing for himself, and that means stay in power and milk the thing for all it's worth. M o rourke is absolute gent and a top class manager. Harte couldn't lace his boots. I'd be proud to have a gent like that manage Tyrone.

I think his record compared to Harte might suggest other wise. Even over the last 6/7 years with probably the strongest Monaghan team ever and one of if not the top forward in Ireland their record still isnít as good as Tyroneís. Both won two Ulsterís but Tyrone got to at least the semi final stage on 4 occasions compared to one for Monaghan. They also lost the 3 big knock out games in Croke park to Tyrone and in the first two where out smarted on the line.

Also i could only imagine the reaction by the likes of you if Tyrone lost championship games to the likes of Armagh, down, Fermanagh and Longford over a few years.

I donít want to be overly harsh on OíRourke who is a good manager and a players man but there is lot of nonsense being talked when comparing him to Harte.

As stated previously now is the time to get behind the team not question management who got us to an Ireland final last year despite a poor start to the championship then too. My biggest concern isnít management but the loss of Bradley and Hampsey from last year and a weakened squad.

If Hampsey is gone I think we may have to drop mattie back to centre half to give a physical presence there but weíre running out of forwards. Loughran another impact sub gone from last year.

Id hardly think taking over a Div 3 team Monaghan team was the strongest team they ever had, He transformed them into the strongest teams they ever had..
Tyrone over the past 6/7 years have had a stronger team but Monaghan still managed to win 2 Ulsters..

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« Reply #9996 on: Today at 09:33:18 AM »
Mickey took over Tyrone when they were div 1 champions, big difference. Mickey has had a constant flow of all Ireland winning underage players to choose from yet o rourkes teams went toe to toe with us despite hardly an underage medal between them.

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« Reply #9997 on: Today at 10:06:47 AM »
Mickey took over Tyrone when they were div 1 champions, big difference. Mickey has had a constant flow of all Ireland winning underage players to choose from yet o rourkes teams went toe to toe with us despite hardly an underage medal between them.

Mickey took over when Tyrone where division 1 champions and led them to 3 All Irelands, given we had won none I don't think we could ask for much more. We've had good minor teams since but we didn't win an ulster u21 from 2006 to 2015 which is a much better indicator of the players coming through. We won an All Ireland in 2015 and many of them players have already played at senior level and reached and an All Ireland final.

We very rarely lose matches to inferior teams since Harte took over which hasn't been the case for Monaghan (no one can argue Monaghan haven't better players than Longford, Fermanagh etc). O'Rourke would be a good appointment after Harte but he still has a lot to do to prove he's a better manager than Harte.


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« Reply #9998 on: Today at 10:25:09 AM »
Harte is no longer getting the best out of the players available to him and there's a school of thought that he isn't developing the younger players either.

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« Reply #9999 on: Today at 10:30:39 AM »
Malachy O'Rourke has done a great job the past few years and is the one manager I would be keen to see take over the reigns.  Harte has had his time.  Agree on the youth development, is it a coincidence that the main players of the 04, 08 and 10 minor wins never got going with the senior team under Harte?  I don't think so.
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« Reply #10000 on: Today at 10:36:42 AM »
Tyrone got to an All Ireland final last year and finished 3rd in division 1 of the league this year. The two years before that we won ulster titles. What exactly level are these players at that he's not getting the most out of them? If you compared the Tyrone team to Dublin who won the All Ireland last year it would be hard to make a case for us having better players.

Anyway enough crap talk about managers in the middle of the championship. This is a difficult game on Saturday, similar to last year at this stage we haven't reached near are top level of performance at this stage of the championship. Kildare will be up for it at home and showed against Mayo last year that they have a big performance in them. We need to improve on the last few games or we will be out come Saturday night. Like the league the players have the ability to go from a slow start and raise the levels considerably but now is the time they need to start doing it.

Harte said in the paper today that Hampsey isn't far away so maybe the rumours of him being out for the year are incorrect. If we'd a full team available I'd be going for something like this:

Morgan
Brennan
McNamee
HP McGeary
Cassidy
Hampsey
McCann (obviously unavailable so it's a toss up between Sludden and Burns)
Cavanagh
R Donnelly
Meyler
K McGeary
Harte
McCurry
McShane
M Donnelly

Looking forward to the trip to Newbridge, the regular games against different opposition around the country can be very enjoyable (albeit costlier than a run in Ulster). A win here could bring the team on and give a bit of confidence of a run in the championship.

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« Reply #10001 on: Today at 10:41:18 AM »
Malachy O'Rourke has done a great job the past few years and is the one manager I would be keen to see take over the reigns.  Harte has had his time.  Agree on the youth development, is it a coincidence that the main players of the 04, 08 and 10 minor wins never got going with the senior team under Harte?  I don't think so.

Is it a coincidence that those teams all failed at u21 level where the players struggled in which Harte had nothing to do with in the 3 years after minor level? And it's not as if none of them have made the step up - the likes of Colm Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, Peter Harte, Sludden etc have gone on to win ulster titles and play in an all Ireland final last year. A number of the 2015 all Ireland winning players have also made the breakthrough.

I'm assuming them players making it was nothing to do with Harte but the players who didn't make it where down to him?

There's a huge gap from minor to senior and many many players from all counties don't make it.