Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[scout]

Can someone explain that performance to me please and thank you.

Look at the half forward line for a start. 3 games in a row it's been totally changed during the game. Certain players can't score, can't tackle, don't field the ball ànd can't run.

Exactly my views

[reddgnhand]

Can someone explain that performance to me please and thank you.

Look at the half forward line for a start. 3 games in a row it's been totally changed during the game. Certain players can't score, can't tackle, don't field the ball ànd can't run.

Exactly my views

Just seen your post spot on.Will MOR go with the same ineffective HF line 4 games in a row?

[NotedObserver]

Can someone explain that performance to me please and thank you.

Look at the half forward line for a start. 3 games in a row it's been totally changed during the game. Certain players can't score, can't tackle, don't field the ball ànd can't run.

Exactly my views

Just seen your post spot on.Will MOR go with the same ineffective HF line 4 games in a row?

In previous 3 games he's tried Daly, donaghy, Oguz, Harte, Seanie O'Donnell, m Donnelly, mark Bradley and Ruairi Canavan for smaller spell today

[reddgnhand]

Can someone explain that performance to me please and thank you.

Look at the half forward line for a start. 3 games in a row it's been totally changed during the game. Certain players can't score, can't tackle, don't field the ball ànd can't run.

Exactly my views

Just seen your post spot on.Will MOR go with the same ineffective HF line 4 games in a row?

In previous 3 games he's tried Daly, donaghy, Oguz, Harte, Seanie O'Donnell, m Donnelly, mark Bradley and Ruairi Canavan for smaller spell today

And none has worked.Did Devlin and Potter from last years u20's figure at any trials?

[NotedObserver]

Potter on the development panel anyway. Looks a talent but judging by the likes of Shea Ohare there is a bit of S&C/experience required to bring upto standard

[reddgnhand]

Potter on the development panel anyway. Looks a talent but judging by the likes of Shea Ohare there is a bit of S&C/experience required to bring upto standard

Seen O'Hare brought up a few times tonight.What game time has he had compared to some? The experienced players with years of s&c behind them were shocking.

[ONeill]

Is it fair to say that the new rules are not suited to Tyrone?

Seems to have weakened Morgan's strengths with kick-outs. When he had multiple options, short and long, he was able to bang it cleverly to someone down the middle. Now that it's a lottery whether he hits it long due to the number of bodies outfield, his accuracy is on the decline. In addition, we seem to be reliant on one man (BK) to field the ball.

[trileacman]

Can someone explain that performance to me please and thank you.

A shocking performance compounded by shocking management. Was at the game and much of the analysis is all wrong. Defence actually done very well given that the forwards were holding onto nothing and midfield was getting overrun. Ciaran Daly was actually excellent today, certainly stopped a point or two and a certain goal in the 50 min.

O'Rourke and Porters coaching of kick-outs are shambolic, it cost us big time against Armagh and once again today. We play zonal marking on Mayos kick outs and on our own guys just run around and then Morgan boots it long to an area where no Tyrone players are because they've all run short.

It was clear after 30 mins that canavan, mc curry and Bradley playing on top of each other wasn't working. MOR left them all on for 50mins and his only solution was to play Matty at FF and Bradley at wing forward. That's 2 players playing out of position with zero impact on the game. Tyrone actually bucked up and dragged themselves back to within a point in the 2nd half (mostly because Bradley was out of the way and Canavan and McCurry had room to play).

MOR then made 3 shocking subs to ruin Tyrone again. Ruari, Donaghey and O'Hare were all shocking when introduced. Again Ruairi played out of position at wing forward led to a penalty and free conceded and O'Hare gave away 3 really stupid frees and lost an easy kick out.

We've a big problem coming out of defence with nobody who can comfortably kick the ball forward. McKernan is having a stellar season but he's not comfortable kick passing. Neither can Daly, Con, McGeary, Donaghy or Seanie. MOR really needs to include some variety in the team and not rely solely on just a running game.

The lack of MF depth behind Con and Kennedy is a big problem too but I'd blame MOR for the complete failure to construct any kind of kickout plan or kick out press. McShane should have been made an option at MF, don't know why management froze him out. I had some sympathy for MOR at the start of season but he doesn't seem to learn any lessons from week to week, we see the same problems occur time and time again. There's only so many excuses you can make for him.

[trileacman]

Potter on the development panel anyway. Looks a talent but judging by the likes of Shea Ohare there is a bit of S&C/experience required to bring upto standard

Seen O'Hare brought up a few times tonight.What game time has he had compared to some? The experienced players with years of s&c behind them were shocking.

O'Hare started and came on in several league games. He really didn't show anything in those games.

[trileacman]

Is it fair to say that the new rules are not suited to Tyrone?

Seems to have weakened Morgan's strengths with kick-outs. When he had multiple options, short and long, he was able to bang it cleverly to someone down the middle. Now that it's a lottery whether he hits it long due to the number of bodies outfield, his accuracy is on the decline. In addition, we seem to be reliant on one man (BK) to field the ball.

I don't think that's true. Teams that were good under the old rules last year (Armagh, Donegal and Galway) are still the top teams. They've good squads and are well managed.

Tyrone lack a clear kick-out strategy. If I have to watch another Tyrone player point into empty space whilst the ball flies over his head to an unmarked player I'll cry. We got lucky Patton was injured last week, he'd have pulled our press apart.

[reddgnhand]

Can someone explain that performance to me please and thank you.

A shocking performance compounded by shocking management. Was at the game and much of the analysis is all wrong. Defence actually done very well given that the forwards were holding onto nothing and midfield was getting overrun. Ciaran Daly was actually excellent today, certainly stopped a point or two and a certain goal in the 50 min.

O'Rourke and Porters coaching of kick-outs are shambolic, it cost us big time against Armagh and once again today. We play zonal marking on Mayos kick outs and on our own guys just run around and then Morgan boots it long to an area where no Tyrone players are because they've all run short.

It was clear after 30 mins that canavan, mc curry and Bradley playing on top of each other wasn't working. MOR left them all on for 50mins and his only solution was to play Matty at FF and Bradley at wing forward. That's 2 players playing out of position with zero impact on the game. Tyrone actually bucked up and dragged themselves back to within a point in the 2nd half (mostly because Bradley was out of the way and Canavan and McCurry had room to play).

MOR then made 3 shocking subs to ruin Tyrone again. Ruari, Donaghey and O'Hare were all shocking when introduced. Again Ruairi played out of position at wing forward led to a penalty and free conceded and O'Hare gave away 3 really stupid frees and lost an easy kick out.

We've a big problem coming out of defence with nobody who can comfortably kick the ball forward. McKernan is having a stellar season but he's not comfortable kick passing. Neither can Daly, Con, McGeary, Donaghy or Seanie. MOR really needs to include some variety in the team and not rely solely on just a running game.

The lack of MF depth behind Con and Kennedy is a big problem too but I'd blame MOR for the complete failure to construct any kind of kickout plan or kick out press. McShane should have been made an option at MF, don't know why management froze him out. I had some sympathy for MOR at the start of season but he doesn't seem to learn any lessons from week to week, we see the same problems occur time and time again. There's only so many excuses you can make for him.

C Daly excellent? Are you for real? What did he score? Did he win any ball around the middle? Taken off again?

[reddgnhand]

Potter on the development panel anyway. Looks a talent but judging by the likes of Shea Ohare there is a bit of S&C/experience required to bring upto standard

Seen O'Hare brought up a few times tonight.What game time has he had compared to some? The experienced players with years of s&c behind them were shocking.

O'Hare started and came on in several league games. He really didn't show anything in those games.

Compared to others?

[reddgnhand]

Is it fair to say that the new rules are not suited to Tyrone?

Seems to have weakened Morgan's strengths with kick-outs. When he had multiple options, short and long, he was able to bang it cleverly to someone down the middle. Now that it's a lottery whether he hits it long due to the number of bodies outfield, his accuracy is on the decline. In addition, we seem to be reliant on one man (BK) to field the ball.

I don't think that's true. Teams that were good under the old rules last year (Armagh, Donegal and Galway) are still the top teams. They've good squads and are well managed.

Tyrone lack a clear kick-out strategy. If I have to watch another Tyrone player point into empty space whilst the ball flies over his head to an unmarked player I'll cry. We got lucky Patton was injured last week, he'd have pulled our press apart.

What was the stats for Donegals kick outs last week? Tyrone didn't dominate their kick outs? Patton may not have made any difference.

[tyrone08]

Is it fair to say that the new rules are not suited to Tyrone?

Seems to have weakened Morgan's strengths with kick-outs. When he had multiple options, short and long, he was able to bang it cleverly to someone down the middle. Now that it's a lottery whether he hits it long due to the number of bodies outfield, his accuracy is on the decline. In addition, we seem to be reliant on one man (BK) to field the ball.

I was excited this year as Malachy was one of the people involved in creating the new rules. We got an experienced manager who knew alot of the Tyrone players and who helped create the new rules. I assumed we would be far far better this year.

Our season seems to rely on Kennedy and McCurry playing out of their skin to get us a win.

Not sure how much better off we are than when dooher and co was in charge. Remember Roscommon ended our season last year in healy park.

Players seemed to indicate that dooher and co were to blame, maybe not as much as they would like to admit.

[ONeill]

Is it fair to say that the new rules are not suited to Tyrone?

Seems to have weakened Morgan's strengths with kick-outs. When he had multiple options, short and long, he was able to bang it cleverly to someone down the middle. Now that it's a lottery whether he hits it long due to the number of bodies outfield, his accuracy is on the decline. In addition, we seem to be reliant on one man (BK) to field the ball.

I don't think that's true. Teams that were good under the old rules last year (Armagh, Donegal and Galway) are still the top teams. They've good squads and are well managed.

Tyrone lack a clear kick-out strategy. If I have to watch another Tyrone player point into empty space whilst the ball flies over his head to an unmarked player I'll cry. We got lucky Patton was injured last week, he'd have pulled our press apart.

What kick-out strategy do you envision? What's the kick-out strategy of those other sides?