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« Reply #42750 on: Today at 03:35:43 PM »
Ive said it before on here and I will say it again, I think its just time to scrap reserve football in Tyrone. 

I would have previously said that the county board didn't give a fcuk about reserve football / players but fair play to them on this occasion in that they had really put in some effort to come up with a viable and exciting solution / proposal to what was a dying competition.  I had no idea though that the clubs themselves are the real ones who do not give a toss about reserve football or essentially their reserve players.  That's what it has boiled down to here.  Elitism in the GAA once again takes hold.  I find it ironic that clubs crib and cry about elitism when it comes to club vs county matters but they have done the same with their own players on this occasion
   

At the end of the day, the reserve team is considered a burden, lets be honest, nobody really says it but it is.  A lot of clubs now have outside managers and the only priority is the senior team.  Bit like the premier league, the managers will be judged on the senior teams performance & results, not what the ressies are doing.  The managers themselves have enough on their plate without worrying about his 24 year old reserve corner back who can barely solo or his 16 stone corner forward who is gassed out after 3 runs, they just dont want the hassle of it and I think thats why so many clubs have opted against the new proposals.  Its new, it requires change and will require more effort which they aren't prepared to make.  People do not like change. 

Last night was a chance to perhaps save it and make it a competition where clubs and reserve players could find their level with the prospects of promotion / relegation.  It could have finally been a meaningful competition for the lesser / older and developing players within clubs.  Maybe give some of them more a sense of purpose playing in a separate competition. It could have shone a light in terms of social media coverage on a new competition and the lesser players within clubs might have got the chance to see their picture or name on a match report in some of the local papers or teamtalk.  As some other poster alluded to, Moy reserves in division 1 is a waste of everyone's time from the players to the management,the spectators to the referee.

Time to put a pin in this shambles of a competition, its done.
If its such a shambles of a competition why was there as many at the reserve game between Ardboe and Coalisland as youd see at manys a senior championship game last year? As has been pointed out you are a clown.

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« Reply #42751 on: Today at 03:37:53 PM »
Its not the first Letter that Gavin has penned.

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« Reply #42752 on: Today at 04:00:53 PM »
such a backwards county in terms of the proposal not going through last night. Some clubs will severely struggle now. What is the point in Moy reserves being in div 1? they barely fielded a game last season and are expected to hold their own in div 1 this year again, and Greencastle reserves in div 2 are capable of fielding and would be a lot more competitive in div 1. Likewise for derrytresk, being expected to be competitive at intermediate. IMO it was worth a trial for a year.
Biggest laugh of the night was Moy and Killyclogher being two of the clubs saying they would field all year in the reserves, we will see how that goes

I'd say the Moy conceded more games than they played last year. I don't see that changing.

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« Reply #42753 on: Today at 04:31:24 PM »
Dromore won the Division 1 reserve league by playing 7 SEVEN games.

That's Division 1.

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« Reply #42754 on: Today at 04:35:57 PM »
such a backwards county in terms of the proposal not going through last night. Some clubs will severely struggle now. What is the point in Moy reserves being in div 1? they barely fielded a game last season and are expected to hold their own in div 1 this year again, and Greencastle reserves in div 2 are capable of fielding and would be a lot more competitive in div 1. Likewise for derrytresk, being expected to be competitive at intermediate. IMO it was worth a trial for a year.
Biggest laugh of the night was Moy and Killyclogher being two of the clubs saying they would field all year in the reserves, we will see how that goes

I'd say the Moy conceded more games than they played last year. I don't see that changing.

We have won more reserve championships in the past 3 years than Moy reserves did play games last season. Let us go up to Div 1 so we can bring home the real bacon !

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« Reply #42755 on: Today at 04:36:15 PM »
I thought at one stage reserve games were allowed to be played at 13 a side. Was that done away with? I thought that was worth a shot - obviously must have been phased out or just not implemented full stop?

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« Reply #42756 on: Today at 04:42:42 PM »
Dromore won the Division 1 reserve league by playing 7 SEVEN games.

That's Division 1.

There you have it. A joke that Clubs went against this.

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« Reply #42757 on: Today at 04:56:18 PM »
I thought at one stage reserve games were allowed to be played at 13 a side. Was that done away with? I thought that was worth a shot - obviously must have been phased out or just not implemented full stop?

They are 13 a side in Junior. Clubs have to agree to go 15 a side.

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« Reply #42758 on: Today at 04:59:02 PM »
Dromore won the Division 1 reserve league by playing 7 SEVEN games.

That's Division 1.

When you look some of the so-called 'small' clubs that managed to field in most/all their reserve games, then perhaps it's worth considering the notion that it's not the system/format that needs changed, but the attitude of the clubs who don't bother their hole putting effort or emphasis on their reserve structures and haven't the foresight to consider how a strong reserve panel can be of benefit to the senior team when they are training as one unit under one management.

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« Reply #42759 on: Today at 05:01:36 PM »
I thought at one stage reserve games were allowed to be played at 13 a side. Was that done away with? I thought that was worth a shot - obviously must have been phased out or just not implemented full stop?

They are 13 a side in Junior. Clubs have to agree to go 15 a side.

Probably worth bringing it in now at all levels. Bound to improve game completion if nothing else.

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« Reply #42760 on: Today at 06:15:30 PM »
I thought at one stage reserve games were allowed to be played at 13 a side. Was that done away with? I thought that was worth a shot - obviously must have been phased out or just not implemented full stop?

They are 13 a side in Junior. Clubs have to agree to go 15 a side.

Always felt sorry for some of the reserves playing the 13 aside. Usually a few players who donít fancy the extra space especially in the lower leagues!  ;)

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« Reply #42761 on: Today at 06:19:55 PM »
Ive said it before on here and I will say it again, I think its just time to scrap reserve football in Tyrone. 

I would have previously said that the county board didn't give a fcuk about reserve football / players but fair play to them on this occasion in that they had really put in some effort to come up with a viable and exciting solution / proposal to what was a dying competition.  I had no idea though that the clubs themselves are the real ones who do not give a toss about reserve football or essentially their reserve players.  That's what it has boiled down to here.  Elitism in the GAA once again takes hold.  I find it ironic that clubs crib and cry about elitism when it comes to club vs county matters but they have done the same with their own players on this occasion
   

At the end of the day, the reserve team is considered a burden, lets be honest, nobody really says it but it is.  A lot of clubs now have outside managers and the only priority is the senior team.  Bit like the premier league, the managers will be judged on the senior teams performance & results, not what the ressies are doing.  The managers themselves have enough on their plate without worrying about his 24 year old reserve corner back who can barely solo or his 16 stone corner forward who is gassed out after 3 runs, they just dont want the hassle of it and I think thats why so many clubs have opted against the new proposals.  Its new, it requires change and will require more effort which they aren't prepared to make.  People do not like change. 

Last night was a chance to perhaps save it and make it a competition where clubs and reserve players could find their level with the prospects of promotion / relegation.  It could have finally been a meaningful competition for the lesser / older and developing players within clubs.  Maybe give some of them more a sense of purpose playing in a separate competition. It could have shone a light in terms of social media coverage on a new competition and the lesser players within clubs might have got the chance to see their picture or name on a match report in some of the local papers or teamtalk.  As some other poster alluded to, Moy reserves in division 1 is a waste of everyone's time from the players to the management,the spectators to the referee.

Time to put a pin in this shambles of a competition, its done.

Started off a clown, saved yourself last paragraph and then ended it being a clown again. You MUST be from 1 of the so called big clubs in Tyrone to have such ignorance about reserve football

Tell me what Ive said that is wrong? Nobody cares about reserve football really.  There was a chance to reform it last night but there wasn't the appetite for change.  How many ressies games didn't get played last year or were conceded?   The proof is in the pudding, the clubs don't really care so once that happens its time to pull the Pin.  I dont want to see it happen but there is no point in flogging a dead horse.

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« Reply #42762 on: Today at 06:49:44 PM »
Clubs which failed to field in at least one reserve league fixture in 2019...

13 Stewartstown, Urney

10 Moy

8 Derrylaughan, Edendork

7 Strabane

6 Drumquin

5 Derrytresk, Errigal Ciaran (Junior)

4 Beragh, Castlederg, Moortown, Trillick

3 Aghaloo, Brackaville, Clann na nGael, Glenelly, Killeeshil

2 Ardboe, Augher, Brocagh, Dungannon, Fintona, Killyman

1 Coalisland, Donaghmore, Errigal Ciaran (Senior), Greencastle, Killyclogher, Omagh


Also worth noting that some clubs could have made this list, or ranked even higher, but their opponents for the fixture blinked first!

Dregish are not included in this list.

IMO any club above that DNF in at least four fixtures (with some legroom for Beragh & Moortown considering how long the Division 2 league went on) would have to have some concerns about being able to sustain a reserve team in 2020 at least, given the rejection of the proposed Reserve football format.

If I can be arsed, I'll try and compile the number of DNF's from a longer time period later...
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« Reply #42763 on: Today at 08:14:39 PM »
If I can be arsed, I'll try and compile the number of DNF's from a longer time period later...

OK, I'm arsed.

The following is by the number of times in the last three seasons a club has forefitted/CONC/DNF/WO a Reserve league fixture, figures in brackets refer to games conceeded in 2019, 2018 then 2017). Nominally this should be 45 games in total per team (Dregish fielded no reserve team in this time period) but some fixtures may have ended up not being played and were simply scratched.

22 Urney (13/5/4)

21 Derrytresk (5/11/5)

19 Moy (10/7/2)

15 Castlederg (4/5/6), Stewartstown (13/2/0)

14 Aghaloo (3/6/5)

13 Brocagh (2/4/7)

12 Brackaville (3/5/4)

11 Glenelly (3/6/2), Strabane (7/3/1)

10 Augher (2/2/6), Beragh (4/0/6), Derrylaughan (8/2/0), Edendork (8/0/2)

9 Killeeshil (3/2/4), Killyclogher (1/4/4), Moortown (4/0/5)

8 Cookstown (0/1/8)

7 Drumquin (6/1/0), Trillick (4/3/0)

6 Fintona (2/0/4), Killyman (2/0/4), Newtownstewart (0/3/3)

5 Ardboe (2/3/0) Errigal Ciaran (Junior) (5/0/0), Gortin (0/0/5)

4 Clann na nGael (3/1/0), Eskra (0/3/1), Pomeroy (0/3/1)

3 Dungannon (2/1/0), Galbally (0/0/3), Loughmacrory (0/3/0), Rock (0/1/2)

2 Coalisland (1/1/0)

1 Carrickmore (0/1/0), Clonoe (0/1/0), Donaghmore (1/0/0), Dromore (0/1/0), Errigal Ciaran (Senior) (1/0/0), Greencastle (1/0/0), Kildress (0/1/0), Omagh (1/0/0)

A few clubs clearly had a bit of a struggle in one season but had few problems otherwise, but a few others also seem to have consistent issues.

And yes, I'll begrudgly give credit to T***yreagh whom have not conceeded a tie in the reserve leagues in the last three years, especially as they were on a hiding to nothing last year. Normal service now resumes...
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« Reply #42764 on: Today at 08:19:46 PM »
Are you feeling OK Fionn? :)