Be prepared for a back lash
Don't say you weren't warned ;)
Aidan McCarron is still on the panel, was speaking to him today. Says the panel has been cut now to 38.
Still OK Ziggy ;)
What a needless thread Strath Ban! Have you nothing else to do that open unwanted threads ??? :-\
I hate to say I told you so....
That you did Ziggy, an unforgiving bunch here ;)
Let this fade into obscurity if we don't want or need it, genuinely thought it may have filled a void, no big deal...
Agreed however the management has made 2 years of making the same misatakes and bluffing about integrating the youth. The first sign of madness is making the same misatkes and hoping for a different result. I doubt that Mickey is capable of trusting new players and giving them championship game time until they bed down - Its just in his nature. He has achieved so much with his own players hes blind to some very pertinent facts about their ability to deliver in Croke Park. Its totally understandable.
I hear from RTE.ie, Ryan Mellon and Colm McCullagh have quit inter-county football.Sure didn't I tell ye that 6 weeks ago :-\
I hear from RTE.ie, Ryan Mellon and Colm McCullagh have quit inter-county football.Sure didn't I tell ye that 6 weeks ago :-\
Lads, looking for directions to Castlederg GAA pitch. If word on the street is correct, the local school are playing up there tomorrow afternoon so want to know where I'm going!!
Lads, looking for directions to Castlederg GAA pitch. If word on the street is correct, the local school are playing up there tomorrow afternoon so want to know where I'm going!!
Lads where is Philip Jordan this year? He's on my fantasy football team and hasnt made an appearance yet!!! What's the story?Will be back for the last 2 nfl games recovering from serious hip trouble.
Are Harry og and C Grugan on the u21 panel this year?
He was winning the beeb tests this time last year but was one of the main reasons we lost ahainst Dublin in the quarters. His time has gone I doubt. :-\
And that bit of luck you need was missing all day[/b]
Penrose has two great goal chances and scores none.
His one of the post goes wide
They hit the post for a point. Ball comes down and lands in O'Gara's hands and he can't miss from 6 yards.
He was winning the beeb tests this time last year but was one of the main reasons we lost ahainst Dublin in the quarters. His time has gone I doubt. :-\
How many of the 17 wides did he shoot ?
That's the principle reason why Tyrone lost last year. The shooting boots were left behind.
Dont agree with that EC. Maybe his time to play the whole match may be passed but I believe he would still be very effective if he was introduced for the last 15 min of a game.
05 and 08 were both quarter finals.
05 and 08 were both quarter finals.
Wasn't 2010 the semi final?
05 and 08 were both quarter finals.
Wasn't 2010 the semi final?
since the mauling they got from kerry in 09, dublin have rebuilt and won an ai in 2 years. tyrone with the right approach can do it in 1 season.
Minors 2pm , Seniors 4pm , live tv coverage for senior game.
Haven't looked in here for ages so was interesting to read year til sunday's post after the Kerry game this year one more time.
Now that the leagues & championships are drawing to a close how do our county squad players look like they're shaping up for the upcoming new year?
How did young McCurry do for his club this year and have we any other new kids on the block to watch out for?
Will young Clarke become a regular in defence next year?
If you had to pick your team to start away to Down now who would you be going for, assuming all injuries are cleared up?
Will Ronan O'Neill & Kyle Coney be our new white hopes in 2013?
Hard to believe it will be 10 years since we first won it.
If I had to pick a team I'd be looking at this
Packie
McCrory
Clarke
McCaul
McCarron
Joey
Sean O'Neill
Sean Cavanagh
Cassidy/Justy
Colm Cava
M.Donnelly
Penrose
Ronan O'Neill
Stephen O'Neill - I wonder how many of ye would drop Stevie this year?
Kyle Coney
Yes I'm aware I've left out Block, Mugsy & McNabb
Am I missing any other big names or new hot shots like McCurry?
Wonder would it be worth trying Colm Cavanagh back into FF if Mickey would release Justy from FB to MF. I get the feeling though that if Justy is fit he'll always play him at FB.
You also left out Peter Harte
TYRONE boss Mickey Harte has axed a dozen of his Red Hand senior squad ahead of the 2013 campaign, including a number of household names.
A host of seasoned stars have been culled from the squad in what is the most dramatic shake-up the panel has seen since their 2008 All-Ireland win.
Gaelic Life understands that those considered to be surplus to requirements include Brian McGuigan and Owen Mulligan, while Errigal duo John Devine and Davy Harte have also been excluded from the 2013 plans.
The axe has also fallen on Dromore defensive pair Cathal McCarron and Sean O’Neill, midfielders Aidan Cassidy and Niall McKenna, defenders Damian McCaul and Stephen McNally, as well as attackers Peter Hughes and Ciaran Gervin.
The new-look Tyrone squad will gather for their first team meeting tomorrow night (Wednesday), and is expected to include Omagh St Enda’s pair Conan Grugan and Barry Tierney, Errigal’s Ciaran McGinley, Strabane and St Mary’s defender Danny McBride, Newtownstewart’s Kevin Gallagher, Clonoe attacker Conor McAliskey, and Kildress full-back Dean McNally.
http://www.gaeliclife.com/2012/11/27/exclusive-tyrone-boss-harte-wields-the-axe/QuoteTYRONE boss Mickey Harte has axed a dozen of his Red Hand senior squad ahead of the 2013 campaign, including a number of household names.
A host of seasoned stars have been culled from the squad in what is the most dramatic shake-up the panel has seen since their 2008 All-Ireland win.
Gaelic Life understands that those considered to be surplus to requirements include Brian McGuigan and Owen Mulligan, while Errigal duo John Devine and Davy Harte have also been excluded from the 2013 plans.
The axe has also fallen on Dromore defensive pair Cathal McCarron and Sean O’Neill, midfielders Aidan Cassidy and Niall McKenna, defenders Damian McCaul and Stephen McNally, as well as attackers Peter Hughes and Ciaran Gervin.
The new-look Tyrone squad will gather for their first team meeting tomorrow night (Wednesday), and is expected to include Omagh St Enda’s pair Conan Grugan and Barry Tierney, Errigal’s Ciaran McGinley, Strabane and St Mary’s defender Danny McBride, Newtownstewart’s Kevin Gallagher, Clonoe attacker Conor McAliskey, and Kildress full-back Dean McNally.
By my reckoning that's no Dromore players left, one Coalisland and one Clonoe...
Massive clearout. Massive. A case of management losing the plot, omitting boys of 22/23 years of age?
Suppose something has to be done. The last 2 years havent been good enough, hammering defeats to Dublin and again against an aged Kerry team last year. Strange someone like Sean O'Neill ousted considered he played a lot last year. McKenna and Cassidy also came on ina few championship games. All very strange.
Anyone have any ideas of any new comers to the panel????
Anyone have any ideas of any new comers to the panel????
any sign of club football????????? or do they care????????????
Worrying result given the team that was out. From the minor winning team the only one's I noticed that didn't start were McGarrity, Deeney (came on), Canavan (came on) and Tierney. McCurry also didn't seem to play any part. Hasn't played for the seniors since January so can only assume he's carrying a knock. Bradley came of the bench. Looked a serious talent for the minors last year but looked so small and light its hard to know if he'll be ready for this level. Would certainly be worried entering the u21 championship now in a few weeks. The only positive was the game time got by Grugan and Ronan O'Neill.
Took a hammering all right but it was Dublin who beat themWorrying result given the team that was out. From the minor winning team the only one's I noticed that didn't start were McGarrity, Deeney (came on), Canavan (came on) and Tierney. McCurry also didn't seem to play any part. Hasn't played for the seniors since January so can only assume he's carrying a knock. Bradley came of the bench. Looked a serious talent for the minors last year but looked so small and light its hard to know if he'll be ready for this level. Would certainly be worried entering the u21 championship now in a few weeks. The only positive was the game time got by Grugan and Ronan O'Neill.
from memory that minor team took an awful thumping in the minor league final in 2010, think it was meath?
Hopefully its a good omen. Strong side on paper at least
What's the story with the Moy Park deal lads? It's great to see them invest some cash in Tyrone GAA, however... What do Moy Park get out of it? What's the difference in a title sponsor (hunky dory) and a "brand sponsor"??
Wasn't there a motion on congress passed for a second shirt sponsor?
I don't think Grugan is the required standard to be honest. McCann is probably a better prospect simply because he is more of a grafter. I think Tyrone could do a lot worse than look at Dawyne Quinn and Ruairi Loughran on Sundays evidence. PJ Lavery has been a free man this past 2 championship games so the jury is out on him.
Some interesting points Fuzzman.
From what I believe trails for 2014 will take place in November.
Have we had any official retirements?
I can only see Packie and maybe Stevie O'Neill walking away. Joe McMahon has committed for 2014.
I would expect Conor Gormley to have an extended break and return at the halfway point of the National League.
2014 may well be last chance saloon for the likes of Justin McMahon (struggled since 2008) and Aidan Cassidy.
God knows what's going to happen with McCarron.
I would expect an overturn in the bench fodder or Kevin Gallagher, Johnny Lafferty, etc where they have got past that age where they can be considered for the future. The likes of Tieran McCann will stay on because of this. Hopefully an extended run for Grugan and maybe even see if Warnock can step up.
New faces added to the panel could be: Shay McGuigan, Stefan Tierney, Richie Donnelly,PJ Lavery and Rory Brennan. I wouldn't be adverse to throwing Frank Burns into the mix either.
Team for first National League Match:
1. Morgan
2. Clarke
3. Joe McMahon
4. Aidan McCrory
5. Ryan McKenna
6. Justin McMahon
7. Peter Harte
8. Grugan
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. Ciaran McGinley
11. Kyle Coney- Sink or Swim
12. Matty Donnelly
13. McCurry/Ronan O'Neill
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. McAliskey
The trials will be very interesting this year. Wonder will Ray Mulgrew, Tommy McGuigan or Colly Doris get another chance at it? The same applies to Niall McKenna although obviously he's a fair bit younger.
In terms of the younger talent coming through id agree with most of the names mentioned previously and add Tommy Canavan & Niall Sludden (if over injury)
Daniel McNulty would offer the full forward line something totally different from RON, skeet & McCurry & should definitely be considered.
Would Harry Og Conlan be in consideration at all? Havnt seen nor heard much of him since this past 12months but looked promising as a youngster.
Conan Grugan looked the part in 2012 club championship, but injuries etc seem to have taken him back a step. Looking from the outside, being part of the county panel seemed to be a hindrance in terms of getting games & getting back up to previous level.
Dean McNally from Kildress is one I thought had the potential to be a real sticky man marker & initially made the cut last year. Worth another look imho.
Kyle Coney is the great enigma. Could be a contender for player of the year in 2014, or might not kick a ball.
Either way Mickey has a lot to ponder & some big calls to make this side of Christmas.
Some interesting points Fuzzman.
From what I believe trails for 2014 will take place in November.
Have we had any official retirements?
I can only see Packie and maybe Stevie O'Neill walking away. Joe McMahon has committed for 2014.
I would expect Conor Gormley to have an extended break and return at the halfway point of the National League.
2014 may well be last chance saloon for the likes of Justin McMahon (struggled since 2008) and Aidan Cassidy.
God knows what's going to happen with McCarron.
I would expect an overturn in the bench fodder or Kevin Gallagher, Johnny Lafferty, etc where they have got past that age where they can be considered for the future. The likes of Tieran McCann will stay on because of this. Hopefully an extended run for Grugan and maybe even see if Warnock can step up.
New faces added to the panel could be: Shay McGuigan, Stefan Tierney, Richie Donnelly,PJ Lavery and Rory Brennan. I wouldn't be adverse to throwing Frank Burns into the mix either.
Team for first National League Match:
1. Morgan
2. Clarke
3. Joe McMahon
4. Aidan McCrory
5. Ryan McKenna
6. Justin McMahon
7. Peter Harte
8. Grugan
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. Ciaran McGinley
11. Kyle Coney- Sink or Swim
12. Matty Donnelly
13. McCurry/Ronan O'Neill
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. McAliskey
we'd struggle to win a McKenna cup with that side.
Mark Donnelly for his work-rate and team contribution would start all day long in that forward line id say ahead of Coney at 11.
Conor Gormley is still so far ahead of all them defenders named there it doesnt bare even thinking about the trouble them 6 defenders would endure if he wasn't part of Tyrones defence in 2014 hes a certain starter if he makes himself available.
I don't think Grugan is the required standard to be honest. McCann is probably a better prospect simply because he is more of a grafter. I think Tyrone could do a lot worse than look at Dawyne Quinn and Ruairi Loughran on Sundays evidence. PJ Lavery has been a free man this past 2 championship games so the jury is out on him.
Is club football in Tyrone very defensive these days like how the county play or is it more attack minded?
I would love to see us revert back to a more attack minded team who don't always play with a sweeper. I am bored to tears watching us slowly playing the ball up from the back and rarely kick passing any long balls into our FF line as it has no support behind it as everyone is back defending.
I don't think Grugan is the required standard to be honest. McCann is probably a better prospect simply because he is more of a grafter. I think Tyrone could do a lot worse than look at Dawyne Quinn and Ruairi Loughran on Sundays evidence. PJ Lavery has been a free man this past 2 championship games so the jury is out on him.
Define Grafter and confirm who you are referring to?
2014 NFL fixtures
Saturday, February 1st (7pm): Derry v Tyrone
Sunday, February 9th (2pm): Tyrone v Mayo
Sunday, March 2nd (2pm): Kildare v Tyrone
Sunday, March 9th (2pm): Kerry v Tyrone
Sunday, March 16th (2pm): Tyrone v Westmeath
Sunday, March 30th (2pm): Cork v Tyrone
Sunday, April 6th (3pm): Tyrone v Dublin
Any more word of the trials. Last I heard they were to place some time this month.
Anyone know what's happening with u21 management?
You/s are taking the piss-right?I would like to see senior management take it for a year or 2.
You/s are taking the piss-right?I would like to see senior management take it for a year or 2.
Sort of like an extended or development senior squad with the aim being development of senior players rather than winning of the U-21's being the goal?You/s are taking the piss-right?I would like to see senior management take it for a year or 2.
Think Horse would be a good shout for the Under 21 management.
Any word of why Mark Harte has pulled out. Was it a case of he went in, seen that squad and said f**k that.
Sean Teague/Chris Lawn anyone?
Think Horse would be a good shout for the Under 21 management.
Any word of why Mark Harte has pulled out. Was it a case of he went in, seen that squad and said f**k that.
Sean Teague/Chris Lawn anyone?
Thats a bit harsh. Whilst its not as strong on paper as the previous few years were we underachieved, there is still the bones of a really good squad there. And less expectation - which surely is a good thing for the new management team
Off the top of my head - D McNulty, J McGahan, M Bradley, F Burns, D McCurry, M Cassidy, M McReynolds, J Munroe, K McGeary..
Sean Hackett admittedly a loss
Agree that the panel isn't as strong on previous years, but id say the new management will have as good a pick as any other in Ulster. An Ulster U21 championship would be seen as a huge victory now in Tyrone.
County Under 21 Manager named tonight. Any word on who it is?
County Under 21 Manager named tonight. Any word on who it is?
give you a clue he might have your user name
County Under 21 Manager named tonight. Any word on who it is?give you a clue he might have your user name
Then again he might not..
County Under 21 Manager named tonight. Any word on who it is?give you a clue he might have your user name
Then again he might not..
It seems like he was onto something
ferG41 lOGan
Good luck to Fergal and his team but anyone who thinks that he or anyone else for that mater is he golden ticket and will guarantee success is deluded. The fact that he comes from the development squad background is one reason why I would have steered clear. Very few late developers ever make it into the minor or U21 squads because they have missed the cut at U15 or U17 level. These players will always get preference because the manager has worked with them before. I know there will be trials etc etc but do you know how hard it is for someone who missed the cut at minor to go to an U21 trail and fit in with these "elite players" that the development squads create. In my opinion it doesn't create these elite players in a lot of cases, but elite egos which leaves a lot of them unmanageable, or probably more to the point, uncoachable at this age as they know everything.
Why not let Dooher at it himself as the main man and take Fergal with him?
Good luck to Fergal and his team but anyone who thinks that he or anyone else for that mater is he golden ticket and will guarantee success is deluded. The fact that he comes from the development squad background is one reason why I would have steered clear. Very few late developers ever make it into the minor or U21 squads because they have missed the cut at U15 or U17 level. These players will always get preference because the manager has worked with them before. I know there will be trials etc etc but do you know how hard it is for someone who missed the cut at minor to go to an U21 trail and fit in with these "elite players" that the development squads create. In my opinion it doesn't create these elite players in a lot of cases, but elite egos which leaves a lot of them unmanageable, or probably more to the point, uncoachable at this age as they know everything.
Why not let Dooher at it himself as the main man and take Fergal with him?
There's a few Clonoe men missing off that list ??
There's a few Clonoe men missing off that list ??
who like
There's a few Clonoe men missing off that list ??
who like
Collie Doris for one ?
Copied from Gaelic Life (gaeliclife.com)
NEW Tyrone u-21 boss Fergal Logan will this weekend get the chance to run his eye over possible recruits. Nominated by their clubs, two sessions will be held at Garvaghey this Sunday. Players must arrive at 9am for session one and 11.30am for session two.
Players to attend Kevin O Gorman Aghaloo, Darragh Kavanagh Augher, Cathal Owen Beragh, Martin Gervin Brackaville, Cahill Logue, Caolan Harvey, Stefain Gallen Castlederg, Jarleth Mc Ilvenna, Cathair Quinn, Padraig Hampsey Coalisland, Own Coyle, Matthew Hughes, John McIvor, Ruairi Mullan, James Mc Gahan, Eoin O Connor, Barry Potter, Ciaran Owens Cookstown, Mark Robinson, Stephen Mc Grath, James Kennedy, Connor Mc Cabe Derrylaughan, Tomas Mc Carron, Colm O Neill, Ruairi Sludden, Colm McRory, Jack Poyntz Dromore, Eoin Mc Gread, Brendan Drumm Drumragh, Aidan McCluskey, Cormac Mc Cann, Peter Mc Kenna, Deasun Quinn, Philip Donnelly, Shea Hamill Donaghmore, Dermot Burns, Colm Corrigan, Barry Mc Kernan, Barry Cassidy, Matthew Walsh Dungannon, Conor Mallon, Donal Manely, Darren Mc Curry, Mark Mc Reynolds Edendork, Gerard Devine, Christopher Mc Clean Gortin, Sean Fox Killyclogher, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Declan Conroy, Ryan Coleman, Christopher O Neill Moy.
Session 2 Players to attend: Aaron Eilliott, Dan Mc Nulty, Daryl Magee, Conor Hughes, Declan McClure Clonoe, Aaron Daly, Sean Muldoon, Colm Byrne, Enda Mc Elroy, Declan Goodfellow, Philip Barker Eglish, Michael Mc Cann, Mark Kavanagh, Sean Mc Kenna Errigal Ciaran, Christopher Morris, Fergal Mc Garrity, Sean Murphy, Neil Hagan Galbally, Peter Mc Kenna, Cahir Mc Cullagh Greencastle, Matthew Heagney, Eoin Brannigan, Colm Loughran, Stephen Mc Gurk, Conor Mc Aleer Kildress, Meegan Meegan, Gabhan Sludden, Mark Bradley, Barra Collins, Tiernan Cox, Conall Mc Cann, Meenagh Meenagh Killyclogher, Enda Mc Gahan Killyman, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Ciaran Mc Laughlin, Conor Meyler, Cormac O Neill, Niall Mc Ginn Omagh, Stephen Kelly, Cathal Mc Shane, Ryan Mc Shane Owen Roes, Mark Mc Aleer, Aidan Mc Garrity, Diarmaid Carroll Rock, James Campbell, Niall Dillon, Cathal Devlin, Ryan Devlin, Nathan O Neill Stewartstown, Jamie Mc Aleer, Plunkett Langan Urney.
Meegan Meegan and Meenagh Meenagh? Some strange names about Killyclogher!
Copied from Gaelic Life (gaeliclife.com)
NEW Tyrone u-21 boss Fergal Logan will this weekend get the chance to run his eye over possible recruits. Nominated by their clubs, two sessions will be held at Garvaghey this Sunday. Players must arrive at 9am for session one and 11.30am for session two.
Players to attend Kevin O Gorman Aghaloo, Darragh Kavanagh Augher, Cathal Owen Beragh, Martin Gervin Brackaville, Cahill Logue, Caolan Harvey, Stefain Gallen Castlederg, Jarleth Mc Ilvenna, Cathair Quinn, Padraig Hampsey Coalisland, Own Coyle, Matthew Hughes, John McIvor, Ruairi Mullan, James Mc Gahan, Eoin O Connor, Barry Potter, Ciaran Owens Cookstown, Mark Robinson, Stephen Mc Grath, James Kennedy, Connor Mc Cabe Derrylaughan, Tomas Mc Carron, Colm O Neill, Ruairi Sludden, Colm McRory, Jack Poyntz Dromore, Eoin Mc Gread, Brendan Drumm Drumragh, Aidan McCluskey, Cormac Mc Cann, Peter Mc Kenna, Deasun Quinn, Philip Donnelly, Shea Hamill Donaghmore, Dermot Burns, Colm Corrigan, Barry Mc Kernan, Barry Cassidy, Matthew Walsh Dungannon, Conor Mallon, Donal Manely, Darren Mc Curry, Mark Mc Reynolds Edendork, Gerard Devine, Christopher Mc Clean Gortin, Sean Fox Killyclogher, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Declan Conroy, Ryan Coleman, Christopher O Neill Moy.
Session 2 Players to attend: Aaron Eilliott, Dan Mc Nulty, Daryl Magee, Conor Hughes, Declan McClure Clonoe, Aaron Daly, Sean Muldoon, Colm Byrne, Enda Mc Elroy, Declan Goodfellow, Philip Barker Eglish, Michael Mc Cann, Mark Kavanagh, Sean Mc Kenna Errigal Ciaran, Christopher Morris, Fergal Mc Garrity, Sean Murphy, Neil Hagan Galbally, Peter Mc Kenna, Cahir Mc Cullagh Greencastle, Matthew Heagney, Eoin Brannigan, Colm Loughran, Stephen Mc Gurk, Conor Mc Aleer Kildress, Meegan Meegan, Gabhan Sludden, Mark Bradley, Barra Collins, Tiernan Cox, Conall Mc Cann, Meenagh Meenagh Killyclogher, Enda Mc Gahan Killyman, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Ciaran Mc Laughlin, Conor Meyler, Cormac O Neill, Niall Mc Ginn Omagh, Stephen Kelly, Cathal Mc Shane, Ryan Mc Shane Owen Roes, Mark Mc Aleer, Aidan Mc Garrity, Diarmaid Carroll Rock, James Campbell, Niall Dillon, Cathal Devlin, Ryan Devlin, Nathan O Neill Stewartstown, Jamie Mc Aleer, Plunkett Langan Urney.
Was thinking about getting the owl fella a Tyrone Season Ticket 2014 for Christmas. Are these going to be available for Christmas? Hardly.
Sean Cavanagh takes over as captain of Tyrone (From BBC website 26th November)
Five-times All Star winner Sean Cavanagh will be Tyrone's skipper for the 2014 campaign, Red Hands boss Mickey Harte revealed on Monday night.
The Moy man takes over from Stephen O'Neill, who was captain for two years.
Cavanagh returned to his best this year, after twice recovering from career-threatening shoulder injuries, to earn his latest All Star award.
The appointment is in line with Harte's policy of handing the role to players with vast experience.
With the exception of the late Cormac McAnallen, who was made captain in 2004, the captaincy has been awarded to players who have passed the age of 30.
Cavanagh becomes the fifth skipper to serve during Harte's tenure, which is about to enter its 12th season.
The position has also been filled by Peter Canavan, Brian Dooher and O'Neill.
The role of vice-captain, which was held this year by Joe McMahon, has not yet been filled.
Trials for the panel are currently being held, and a Tyrone squad for the Dr McKenna Cup is expected to be named before the end of the month.
Pascal McConnell's decision to retire means there are only three survivors from the Red Hands' maiden All-Ireland success in 2003 - Cavanagh, Conor Gormley and O'Neill.
Does anyone else fear that this is an indication that we've seen the last of Stevie O'Neill in a Tyrone jersey?
Sean Cavanagh takes over as captain of Tyrone (From BBC website 26th November)
Five-times All Star winner Sean Cavanagh will be Tyrone's skipper for the 2014 campaign, Red Hands boss Mickey Harte revealed on Monday night.
The Moy man takes over from Stephen O'Neill, who was captain for two years.
Cavanagh returned to his best this year, after twice recovering from career-threatening shoulder injuries, to earn his latest All Star award.
The appointment is in line with Harte's policy of handing the role to players with vast experience.
With the exception of the late Cormac McAnallen, who was made captain in 2004, the captaincy has been awarded to players who have passed the age of 30.
Cavanagh becomes the fifth skipper to serve during Harte's tenure, which is about to enter its 12th season.
The position has also been filled by Peter Canavan, Brian Dooher and O'Neill.
The role of vice-captain, which was held this year by Joe McMahon, has not yet been filled.
Trials for the panel are currently being held, and a Tyrone squad for the Dr McKenna Cup is expected to be named before the end of the month.
Pascal McConnell's decision to retire means there are only three survivors from the Red Hands' maiden All-Ireland success in 2003 - Cavanagh, Conor Gormley and O'Neill.
Does anyone else fear that this is an indication that we've seen the last of Stevie O'Neill in a Tyrone jersey?
Was Carlin not part of the squad also?
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)
Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)
Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!
Our big problem is our forward line, if you take those players you have mentioned out their replacements won't have a huge task to replace their scores - think between SON, McAliskey, Penrose, Coney and Mark Donnelly they scored 16 points from play which is a poor return considering the number of games played last summer. Think Penrose only scored a point from play.
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)
Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!
Our big problem is our forward line, if you take those players you have mentioned out their replacements won't have a huge task to replace their scores - think between SON, McAliskey, Penrose, Coney and Mark Donnelly they scored 16 points from play which is a poor return considering the number of games played last summer. Think Penrose only scored a point from play.
Its not our forwards are the problem, its our defensive system, plus a more serious problem of poor attacking wing half backs, think of Davy and Jordan, raiding counter attack runs creating and taking scores, something we are missing. In summary quality attacking wing half backs and a less defensive formation
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)
Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!
Our big problem is our forward line, if you take those players you have mentioned out their replacements won't have a huge task to replace their scores - think between SON, McAliskey, Penrose, Coney and Mark Donnelly they scored 16 points from play which is a poor return considering the number of games played last summer. Think Penrose only scored a point from play.
Its not our forwards are the problem, its our defensive system, plus a more serious problem of poor attacking wing half backs, think of Davy and Jordan, raiding counter attack runs creating and taking scores, something we are missing. In summary quality attacking wing half backs and a less defensive formation
Opportunities there hopefully in the early months for potential newcomers, likes of Daniel McNulty, Richie Donnelly, Conan Grugan <mugsy reckons Grugan should have been on the starting 15 last season due to his performances in the inhouse games he attended last April & May> Tommy Canavan, Shay McGuigan...
If some fringe players like Lafferty & McNiece havnt made an impact by now its hard to see it happening at all at this level.
We probably don't have much longer to wait before the new panel is announced. Hope they don't botch it the way they did last year.
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)
Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!
Our big problem is our forward line, if you take those players you have mentioned out their replacements won't have a huge task to replace their scores - think between SON, McAliskey, Penrose, Coney and Mark Donnelly they scored 16 points from play which is a poor return considering the number of games played last summer. Think Penrose only scored a point from play.
Its not our forwards are the problem, its our defensive system, plus a more serious problem of poor attacking wing half backs, think of Davy and Jordan, raiding counter attack runs creating and taking scores, something we are missing. In summary quality attacking wing half backs and a less defensive formation
Our defense could do with improvement (require a man marker or two) but as a unit they did well last year when you look at the scores conceded. The big problem we have is definitely in our forward line where we seem to have no marquee forwards and no goal threat at all. How many goals did Tyrone score last year from play?Opportunities there hopefully in the early months for potential newcomers, likes of Daniel McNulty, Richie Donnelly, Conan Grugan <mugsy reckons Grugan should have been on the starting 15 last season due to his performances in the inhouse games he attended last April & May> Tommy Canavan, Shay McGuigan...
If some fringe players like Lafferty & McNiece havnt made an impact by now its hard to see it happening at all at this level.
We probably don't have much longer to wait before the new panel is announced. Hope they don't botch it the way they did last year.
Of all the players mentioned the player that for me is the deadliest is Lafferty. I'm sure a lot of people on here have seen him play for his club this year or last and if you have then you will see a player that is untouchable when on form. The problem he is having is that getting a few run out's here and there are doing nothing for his confidence at county level. He is passing the ball a lot when he gets it which is the oppositie of what he normally does with his club. Obviously there has to be a balancing act as players are usually expected to do more for their clubs while also being expected not to eat the ball all the time at county, but if the balance can be found with Lafferty and if he gets 3 or 4 full games then we have a gem on our hands.
Must say that PJ Lavery was easily the best attacking wing half I saw in Tyrone club football the year, he destroyed Ciaran Mc Ginley in the championship
PJ Lavery surely is an absolute must for the Tyrone squad. The best attacking wing back in the county by a mile.
Are there any standout man markers about, I can't think of any. We need a defence we can rely on to give the rest of the team the confidence to attack.
Give the like of McBride, McKenna and Lafferty a run at it and the chance to establish themselves. Give the likes of Ronan ONeill and Mulgrew another chance and bring in only 2-3 new players.
Opening it out to too many players gives no one a chance.
From a reliable source...players at senior inhouse match trial.
Peter hughes and cormac arkinson eskra
Michael cassidy and shea mcguigan ardboe
Thomas canavan errigal
Kevin campbell derrytresk
Danny mcnulty pj lavery colly dorris clonoe
Rory brennan trillick
Ferghal mcgarrity galbally
Emmy mckenna eglish
Conal mccann killyclogher
Padraig mcnulty and patrick quinn Dungannon
Goals_Will_Come - there is no point in offering trials til a 33year old.
Don't know full list but
Dan Mc Nulty
Shane O Hagan
Emmet Mc Kenna
Hugh Gallagher
Shay Mc Guigan
Peter Hughes
all added plus a few others
I have always said that whenever Shane Hagan plays well ;Clonoe play well.When i seen him in action against Omagh in Dunmoyle i preached that Clonoe would win.I told everyone bar Micky Harte.Shane Hagan gets my vote!
Full McKenna Cup panel here; http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2013/12/tyrone-mckenna-cup-panel-2014/
Good to see Niall McKenna getting another crack at it. Same vintage as Mattie Donnelly and he can take inspiration from the way Mattie kicked on this season. McKenna is certainly capable of being a good option for Tyrone.
Will be interesting to see how the SON experiment goes. His career post 2008 has been very frustrating indeed. Some wonderful performances but more often than not they were in league games. By the time the serious stuff came around each summer he was almost always injured. The Tyrone of 2008 knew they weren't going to have SON (and that Mugsy was off form) which meant Mickey had to look for different options. Hence the move of Cavanagh to full forward and a run of games for other guys who needed to step up to the plate. Colm McCullagh and Tommy McGuigan in particular did just that.
We have never had the same since as the team always prepared for the championship in expectation of SON being the main man, then ended up without him. Hasn't been a proper plan B. My own opinion - and I know most won't agree - is that it might actually have been no bad thing had SON retired. Magnificent player and servant, but the situation of the past few seasons has been of no use to him or Tyrone and I reckon it's probably held back a few other players who would otherwise got more of a run. This solution of leaving him for the league then introducing him for the summer might just work though, give others a chance in the league to really stake a claim and then have a hopefully fully fit SON for the big games in the summer. Here's hoping.
I think the Micky Harte back in 2003 would have been more likely to take in young players if they were good enough. I think he was more of a risk taker back then but like most managers who have been in the job for a long time, he has become a lot more serious and it's harder to impress him now I think.
Unless you totally buy into his ethos of defensive play then I reckon it will be harder for you to make the team.
Look how much leeway he used to give players like Mugsy back in the early days. He said you have to give space to people being individuals but maybe I'm wrong but I don't thing that leeway would be given now. Players like Penrose for example have had to completely change their style of play to become a much more hard working tracking back forward. Mark Donnelly as well used to play at FF in his first season but sure you hardly ever see him get a shot in these days.
I know loads of you don't like the soccer comparison but I'm an Everton fan and the difference in the mood in the Everton camp ever since dull predicatble Moyes moved on and Martinez has come in, is unbelievable. Players like Seamus Coleman from Killybegs have vastly improved as he's no longer scared to make mistakes. He's enjoyed playing football again and has scored 5 goals already this season.
I think Jim Gavin brought that type of lift back into Dublin last year. He brought in a good few young lads with pace and they had the Dub fans on the edge of their seats watching their games.
I know we had a lot of injuries AGAIN last year but I hope to see a lot more of Coney, Ronan O'Neill, McAliskey and a few new faces this year.
I'd say a lot of young lads think why should I train with Tyrone all year and not have any chance of a game and then also not play any club football.
Yeah and I'm sure we'll hear a raft of "how dare you question Mickey" and who else would you bring in, which is true. The fact that he got us to the AI semi last year and a Div 1 league final probably adds to the argument that he has us playing well to a system that suits the players so why change it?
The main thing I wish for in 2014 is to return to NOT playing a sweeper as it changes the whole dynamic of the game. It leads to short kick outs and slow build up from the back. Nobody wants to risk a long kick pass as possession is king.
Yeah and I'm sure we'll hear a raft of "how dare you question Mickey" and who else would you bring in, which is true. The fact that he got us to the AI semi last year and a Div 1 league final probably adds to the argument that he has us playing well to a system that suits the players so why change it?
The main thing I wish for in 2014 is to return to NOT playing a sweeper as it changes the whole dynamic of the game. It leads to short kick outs and slow build up from the back. Nobody wants to risk a long kick pass as possession is king.
But the thing about last year is that you new we were never going to win the league or championship. It was more of a 'hope we don't get hammered' mentality in a lot of the big games. Mickey Harte is the best Tyrone manager of all time, but there doesn't seem to be much of a plan B and most of the Country has known our plan A inside out for 5 years now. The nature of the game calls for changes both at player and management level. I don't buy into this argument either about 'who will replace him'? Mickey Harte wasn't a saviour when taking over the Tyrone job, while Jim McGuiness, Pat Gilroy, James Horan or Jim Gavin weren't managers with great reputations before they took over the reigns at Senior inter-couty level. There are potentially great managers out there.
anybody thinks that kyle coney would make the slightest difference to tyrone is deluded
Meant to say, for those that cant attend the matches for whatever reason - Tyrones first NFL game against Derry in Celtic park is televised live. Saturday fortnight.
http://www.premiersports.tv/gaa/gaa/
I can't see Coney making an impact this year even if he does get over his injury. In my opinion Patrick McNiece seems to be fit and able this year and I can see him making a championship 15 this year.
As for the return of the Cavanaghs, It is great to get Sean back to the panel but i would love to see more of Nial Mckenna in midfield and also try to get Conan Grugan a starting spot.
Also heard a rumor that Penrose could be taking his retirement but as I said this is only a rumor.
Colm is a nice fellow and thought of very highly among supporters for he is liketh a young bounding gazelle, and last year probably was the best club midfielder in Tyrone ahead of his brother Sean . Its a glass half full half empty debate though. In his biggest and best game last year again Mayo he played that hospital ball to Petie Harte and Harte ended up in hospital. He then clattered Gormley and took him out with sheer awkwardness to leave the way open for the penalty... Goal!!! The nickname "Colm the clatter" is unfair, as it was pure exuberance and maybe the two main reasons why Tyrone lost. We have been here now and its time to learn. Even on a good day such clattering can really be important factors in Tyrone losing games. He deserves his panel place more than anyone though. I think one year on If Tyrone had better footballers on the field they would have won last years all Ireland. Now we have so lets stick with it and not break it up just yet. This years team is flying lets not change it too much to accommodate last years players, and if we are honest some of them boys last year were not good enough to start an all ireland final. There is no need to change just yet as hey stop the pony we are winning. If you disagree with all these big winning margins can you suggest what an appropriate winning margin might be before you would be happy to stick with the team that are winning. Give the young boys the chance.
Colm is a nice fellow and thought of very highly among supporters for he is liketh a young bounding gazelle, and last year probably was the best club midfielder in Tyrone ahead of his brother Sean . Its a glass half full half empty debate though. In his biggest and best game last year again Mayo he played that hospital ball to Petie Harte and Harte ended up in hospital. He then clattered Gormley and took him out with sheer awkwardness to leave the way open for the penalty... Goal!!! The nickname "Colm the clatter" is unfair, as it was pure exuberance and maybe the two main reasons why Tyrone lost. We have been here now and its time to learn. Even on a good day such clattering can really be important factors in Tyrone losing games. He deserves his panel place more than anyone though. I think one year on If Tyrone had better footballers on the field they would have won last years all Ireland. Now we have so lets stick with it and not break it up just yet. This years team is flying lets not change it too much to accommodate last years players, and if we are honest some of them boys last year were not good enough to start an all ireland final. There is no need to change just yet as hey stop the pony we are winning. If you disagree with all these big winning margins can you suggest what an appropriate winning margin might be before you would be happy to stick with the team that are winning. Give the young boys the chance.
rrhf bit of a mixed message, for his club last year your right in saying he was probably the best performing midfielder in the club championship. Moy dominated midfield in all their games, obviously Ryan Mellon played his part and isn't a bad partner to back a man up. As for Tyrone, Colm is well worth his place, in fact there is nobody in the county even to put up a challenge. McKenna has certain qualities but doesn't have the physical presence. I've seen Colm play against McKenna in the past and it wasn't even a contest, Colm dominated him. Cassidy has been in and out but lacks mobility. Micky Harte has deployed Colm as a defensive midfielder and his role seems to be to put himself about and break up the momentum of the opposition. In my opinion Colm Cavanagh is the best fielder in the county ahead of Sean. Hope to see him back for the league as he continues to mature as an inter-county footballer.
The best fielder in the county bar none is Colm Doris. He has given some exhibitions of fielding over the years.
Do we really have anyone that could compete with MDMA in MF. I personally think we don't.
That's the benchmark.
The best fielder in the county bar none is Colm Doris. He has given some exhibitions of fielding over the years.
Put Colm Dorris in a hop ball with Colm Cavanagh I know who I would have my money on. Colm Dorris is a quality player but plays half forward and is targeted by Clonoe with most of their kickouts. So he would be fielding against a half back most of the time.
Can anyone give me an update on the squad.
Which of the more experienced lads will be back for the league?
Who do you see as our corner backs this year?
Any of the Clonoe posters on here know whats happening with Daniel McNulty? Surprised how little game time he has seen so far, so I can only presume he is injured. Super prospect.
Any word of how the Tyrone Under 21s are getting on? I believe that they are playing friendlies recently but haven't heard any reports.
Ok who are the managers of the senior clubs for the year?
Ardboe Seamus Doyle/Barry Dillon
Moy Niall O'Neill/Brian Taggart
Donaghmore Sean Mc Cabe
Errigal Ronan Mc Guckian
Clonoe Damian Cassidy
Carrickmore Brian Gromley
Moortown Chris Lawn
Cookstown John Mc Keever
Coalisland ? Brian McGuckin and Richard Thornton
Dromore ? Audi Kelly and Paul Rouse
Omagh ? Larry Strain
Augher ? Colm McCaughey
Eglish ?
Strabane ? Palor McNulty
Eskra ? Paul Feeney and Archie Beattie
Killyclogher ? Kieran Howe
I heard Cricko isn't with Moortown this year - it's Paddy McGuckin I think. Others added in italics going on different speculation / bullshit
Thoughts on this article?from what i have seen of Garvaghy, probably a lot of truth in it.
I’VE READ and heard so many times over the past year or so about people singing the praises of Tyrone’s training and GAA complex at Garvaghey. And rightly so in some respects, as it took great vision and leadership to make such a bold leap, a bit like the development of Croke Park in many ways.
But the fact is that there’s an awful lot of work to be done up there if they are to make it a really top notch set-up.
Yes, it’s a great facility, but the first big mistake they made was with the location. When you’re standing at Garvaghey and looking around you at eye level, there’s a reason why the only thing you see are wind turbines. Even on the hottest day of summer I still think there’d be a wind up there, testing conditions, and that makes it hugely difficult to try and get good preparations in when accurate passing is such a key aspect of your game.
Yes, there are trees planted and the likes which should in the long term help to shelter the place a bit from the elements, but that’s 30 years down the line and global warming might have taken care of the problem by then anyway!
What it is sorely missing is an indoor arena. You look at what is in Lavey, or the Meadowvale in Magherafelt and at the Mid-Ulster Sports Arena in Cookstown. It’s an indoor pitch where you are sheltered from the elements, where Mickey Harte or any other coach could take his players for a session, or for stretching, or anything else they wanted to do without sending the players out into the sort of arctic conditions we’ve seen in recent weeks.
You look at the building, which looks great from above, but realistically who is going to see it from above and the shape of the Celtic ‘T’? Unless you’re in your private helicopter or plane, or you’re a bird, then it’s not really going to make that much of a difference to you. What it has meant is that for the sake of a fancy architectural design, we have a building which doesn’t have a single square room or straightforward corner, everything a mix-up of odd shapes.
There should be a big hall where teams can operate, do circuits or gym work or whatever they have to do, but it was sacrificed for an auditorium. When I was there, it seemed like the gym equipment had all just been piled into the one room. There is no specific gym lay-out, instead the equipment all crammed into a room which was originally intended for storage.
It’s a great place for seminars, for county board meetings, and the administrative offices and board room look really well. But at the end of the day this is supposed to be a place for training and developing footballers to help them be the best that they can be. Is it focused on admin or on the players?
At the minute, I would actually say that it trails behind Derry’s new Owenbeg complex from a player’s point of view. It’s a start, a solid start, but there is so much more that could be done and needs to be done. The next challenge to the Tyrone fraternity is to make that happen.
I think it’s all part of a bigger picture for Tyrone GAA. It frustrates me every time I hear or read about the good work which Tyrone people are doing elsewhere, with other counties benefiting from their experience and their expertise.
Take Peter Donnelly for example. He’s getting huge credit for the work he is doing with Cavan, a real driving force behind their emergence as a real footballing powerhouse again. He’s going around schools, working with their development squads, and working with the senior team to help get the very best out of them. He’s even going to meet up with players at their universities for one-to-one sessions to work on particular aspects of their game.
But he’s doing it with Cavan, not with Tyrone. We should be bending over backwards to get men like that involved in our county set-ups. There is certainly the opportunity for him to be working with Tyrone.
We can see Cavan and other counties like Dublin who are constantly moving forward, but are we in Tyrone standing still? It’s areas like these where investment should be made, and it frustrates me when I see money being forked out on stupid things. I’ve seen that Donnelly has gone as far as visiting the training facilities of some of the top sports clubs in Europe, drawing on their expertise. Who are we sending to Bayern Munich training to see what we can learn from it? There is so much there that could be done, and we’re not doing it. It’s time for some outside the box thinking.
After watching the Sigerson tonight, Ronan O'Neill looks a great option at number 11, had a brilliant game, linking scores and getting scores
After watching the Sigerson tonight, Ronan O'Neill looks a great option at number 11, had a brilliant game, linking scores and getting scores
Class act and great to see him back to his very, very best. Superb talent.
After watching the Sigerson tonight, Ronan O'Neill looks a great option at number 11, had a brilliant game, linking scores and getting scores
I have been saying this for a while now, his kick passing last night was first class.After watching the Sigerson tonight, Ronan O'Neill looks a great option at number 11, had a brilliant game, linking scores and getting scores
Thought he was the best player on the pitch last night. 11 could be his best position definitely would like to see him get a few games there for Tyrone at some stage in the league.
I see that once again the teamtalk website has no report to make about our u21 team getting to the Ulster final, same last week, no comment either. Unfortunately we have become accustomed to this treatment from teamtalk, don't really know what the reason for this is, but it is something that has been noticed around the club for a while now. As far as I know they got a verbal volley after the semi final win over Errigal last season in the senior championship for the same reason. Surely if they can find time for the Ulster league (ie pre season friendlies), or some u16 girls league etc, they could at least make reference to the fact that we are in the Ulster final on their main page.
I thought I was reading the club thread there for a while
No news on teamtalkmag either about the cut squad
I'd say it's a hard job and I'd say Shay Mcguigan is probably hoping the family name will give him a bit of scope. Niall McKenna will probably be sweating it out again
I wonder how ruthless Mickey will be with his older heads
Could Stevie or Justy have played his last game? Hardly think so.
hammered antrim in the final!
Not much coverage of the U21's so far this year. Strabane Chronicle have an article on yesterdays win.
http://strabanechronicle.com/2014/02/tyrone-win-fourth-shamrock-cup/
Seen it all now. Was up at Garvaghey earlier. Mickey has had the two pitches closest to where the seniors train closed for tonight during senior training. The minors have had to share a pitch with a club team as a result!That's a joke if that's true. Paparazzi in the hills??
Crazy!
Kerry train behind closed doors almost all of the time now.
Tyrone are entitled to do the same if they so wish. Before Garvaghey, a lot of Tyrone's training sessions were restricted.
Kerry train behind closed doors almost all of the time now.
Tyrone are entitled to do the same if they so wish. Before Garvaghey, a lot of Tyrone's training sessions were restricted.
I'd see through it maybe coming up to a championship game.
But to do it to 2 other county teams? Who then had to turn around and share pitches with 2 club teams?! While two pitches sat idle. To me it's pretty ridiculous. What harm were two teams who were going to be be training anyway going to do?
Surely that was the point of Garvaghey in the first place.
I'm delighted to hear this! Frankly, ladies football is an abomination anyway and they should be thankful that they're allowed near Garvaghey for anything other that tay making and sandwich distribution. Let's be honest, if it wasn't for the improved catering and toilet cleaning rota at most of our clubs we wouldn't have them about the place. On a less controversial note, i'm glad that there is an air of seriousness and disappointment after last weeks performance. Let's hope there's a backlash tomorrow.
I like the look of the side Fergal Logan has named tonight. Nice balance of size & pace, particularly in that full forward line - Big Dan McNulty flanked by two sharpshooting speedsters.
Good to see Conor McKenna, still a minor this year involved from the start. He looked sensational in the MacRory cup with St Pats Armagh a couple of weeks ago
Very tall order tonight playing away against a Cavan side going for 4 in a row at this level, and with the benefit of a good win under their belt v Derry last week
But on paper at least Fergal Logan has certainly assembled a strong looking side. I felt earlier in the year our strengths lay in the forwards & wasn't so sure about the quality & quantity of our defensive options, and it seems Logan has converted a few half forwards to the defensive positions. It will be interesting I suppose to see how they fair out defensively but they will be comfortable on the ball.
Mark Mc Reynolds,
Brendan Burns,
Rory Brennan,
Ciaran Mc Laughlin,
Michael Mc Cann,
Johnathan Munroe,
Kieran Mc Geary,
Conall Mc Cann,
Declan Mc Clure,
Conor Mc Kenna,
Michael Cassidy,
Frank Burns,
Darren Mc Curry,
Dan Mc Nulty
Mark Bradley
Scrap the u21s pure waste of time, training since October? Managed 6points whole game. Brutal. Be safer gathering a few lads upon the day of the
game.
Peter Donnelly in charge of that cavan team, serious slip up there not having him in some role within the county at some level.
Serious questions need to be asked at u-21...training since October for six meagre points. Something badly wrong.
Six players on the Tyrone U21 selection will play intermediate football within Tyrone in 2014 , hard to see muct talent emerging from division 2in Tyrone.
I seen enough in breffini on Wednesday night to agree with you..........cunty chairman warming and trying to motivate subs till he was put in the dugout! ENOUGH SAID
Was there not also an issue with some commentator being sacked as well that MH supported?
It relates back to a row over a sketch that the John Murray show on RTE radio1 did regarding Michaela Harte. If memory serves me right the song 'pretty little girl from Omagh' was involved. Harte sought an apology and none was forthcoming so he withdrew from commenting to all RTE media outlets. I'm sure the players fully supported him in this stance rather than him laying the law down himself regarding RTE's access to the players.
It relates back to a row over a sketch that the John Murray show on RTE radio1 did regarding Michaela Harte. If memory serves me right the song 'pretty little girl from Omagh' was involved. Harte sought an apology and none was forthcoming so he withdrew from commenting to all RTE media outlets. I'm sure the players fully supported him in this stance rather than him laying the law down himself regarding RTE's access to the players.
Still don't get why he would be upset about that? Was it something derogatory in the sketch towards Michaela? Was it after her untimely passing ?
It relates back to a row over a sketch that the John Murray show on RTE radio1 did regarding Michaela Harte. If memory serves me right the song 'pretty little girl from Omagh' was involved. Harte sought an apology and none was forthcoming so he withdrew from commenting to all RTE media outlets. I'm sure the players fully supported him in this stance rather than him laying the law down himself regarding RTE's access to the players.
Still don't get why he would be upset about that? Was it something derogatory in the sketch towards Michaela? Was it after her untimely passing ?
Harte, Cody and a few other managers voiced support for Carthy in his spite with RTE. Murray did a pretty derogatory sketch on Harte after Michaela's murder and finished on the "Pretty, little girl from Omagh". Harte was offended, asked for an apology and didn't get it so refused interviews. As far as I know the Tyrone lads are free to talk to RTE but alot of the older crew stuck by Harte and boycotted RTE, it has since kinda inadvertently become the default position so that you'd be a ballsy f**ker to be the 1 man on the squad to rail against the status quo. Harte isn't enforcing the ban but at the same time he wouldn't just be embracing a resolution either.
I see no problem, it's a disagreement and all involved have made free choices as regards it. If neither seem fit to compromise their positions then there will be no resolution.
Harte, Cody and a few other managers voiced support for Carthy in his spite with RTE. Murray did a pretty derogatory sketch on Harte after Michaela's murder and finished on the "Pretty, little girl from Omagh". Harte was offended, asked for an apology and didn't get it so refused interviews. As far as I know the Tyrone lads are free to talk to RTE but alot of the older crew stuck by Harte and boycotted RTE, it has since kinda inadvertently become the default position so that you'd be a ballsy f**ker to be the 1 man on the squad to rail against the status quo. Harte isn't enforcing the ban but at the same time he wouldn't just be embracing a resolution either.
I see no problem, it's a disagreement and all involved have made free choices as regards it. If neither seem fit to compromise their positions then there will be no resolution.
Spot on. That's it in a nutshell.
After Joe Brollys OTT attack on Sean Cavanagh last July however, I felt that we needed someone to speak to RTE. Joe had 'free digs' if you like to mouth off all he likes knowing there will be no reply & hence not held to account.
Maybe going forward its time for Tyrone to appoint an individual to offer an after match interview. Ciaran McLaughlin would be a good choice IMHO. Very close to whats happening in the squad & with the management team, but in essence not actually a part of it.
Harte, Cody and a few other managers voiced support for Carthy in his spite with RTE. Murray did a pretty derogatory sketch on Harte after Michaela's murder and finished on the "Pretty, little girl from Omagh". Harte was offended, asked for an apology and didn't get it so refused interviews. As far as I know the Tyrone lads are free to talk to RTE but alot of the older crew stuck by Harte and boycotted RTE, it has since kinda inadvertently become the default position so that you'd be a ballsy f**ker to be the 1 man on the squad to rail against the status quo. Harte isn't enforcing the ban but at the same time he wouldn't just be embracing a resolution either.
I see no problem, it's a disagreement and all involved have made free choices as regards it. If neither seem fit to compromise their positions then there will be no resolution.
Spot on. That's it in a nutshell.
After Joe Brollys OTT attack on Sean Cavanagh last July however, I felt that we needed someone to speak to RTE. Joe had 'free digs' if you like to mouth off all he likes knowing there will be no reply & hence not held to account.
Maybe going forward its time for Tyrone to appoint an individual to offer an after match interview. Ciaran McLaughlin would be a good choice IMHO. Very close to whats happening in the squad & with the management team, but in essence not actually a part of it.
A reply is exactly what Brolly was fishing for. F%*K him and RTE. Do the talking on the pitch.
Do you think RTE really give a toss whether Sean Cavanagh speaks to Newstalk or to RTE after a match ?
RTE have the whip hand at the minute and their ratings don't go down or up whether or not Sean Cavanagh or Tyrone speak to them or not. RTE are smart enough to realise that people will watch the match and then wait for Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke to provide the real entertainment as they and others see it. ITV have realised that Roy Keane will get people to tune in to their station.
There's no need for proper analysis - the more controversy the better. Brolly is the undisputed king of winding merchants and controversy/ entertainment.
Do you think RTE really give a toss whether Sean Cavanagh speaks to Newstalk or to RTE after a match ?
RTE have the whip hand at the minute and their ratings don't go down or up whether or not Sean Cavanagh or Tyrone speak to them or not. RTE are smart enough to realise that people will watch the match and then wait for Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke to provide the real entertainment as they and others see it. ITV have realised that Roy Keane will get people to tune in to their station.
There's no need for proper analysis - the more controversy the better. Brolly is the undisputed king of winding merchants and controversy/ entertainment.
Absolutely! Do you really think the RTE bosses wouldnt have wanted to show Sean's reaction live on air? Great TV for those after entertainment. Your further points just give further reasons why RTE would have "loved it" - perhaps expecting a Kevin Keegan moment! ;)
Tyrone stance has decency on its side
EAMONN SWEENEY – UPDATED 05 MAY 2013 04:06 AM
I'm glad to see that Tyrone footballers will be boycotting RTE coverage for the third championship summer in a row. Not because I've anything against the RTE sports department but because it's good to see people sticking by their principles.
We're talking about respect. Back in August 2011, only a few months after Tyrone manager Mickey Harte's daughter had been murdered in Mauritius, RTE's John Murray Show broadcast a sketch which lampooned Harte as a kind of idiot for going to see the Dalai Lama and included the song, 'Pretty Little Girl From Omagh In The County Of Tyrone'.
It was horrible stuff. But the worst thing about it was the ignoble motivation behind the skit. Harte was, at the time, one of a number of inter-county managers who had criticised RTE management for not promoting GAA correspondent Brian Carthy.
So the sketch smacked of sycophants having a go at Harte in order to ingratiate themselves with their bosses.
Or, worse again, of Mickey Harte being taught a lesson about what happened to people who dared cross the national broadcaster. Gotcha Mickey.
It took RTE three days before they decided to furnish an apology, an apology which you'd have to say didn't exactly reek of wholeheartedness
Actually, it's unbelievable stuff. A group of people decided to take the piss out of a Tyrone man whose daughter had been murdered by playing a song about a girl from Tyrone.
Think about it. Murray continues to purvey his brand of wacky fun on RTE Radio. Meanwhile, Mickey Harte and his family have had to get on with their lives.
So it's strange to see the Tyrone boycott being portrayed as something surprising or even unreasonable. In reality, the team and the county can do nothing else. Respect for Mickey Harte and the memory of Michaela McAreavey leaves them no choice.
The RTE boycott, far from being an infringement of press freedom, is actually a tribute to the integrity and spirit of the Tyrone footballers which says a lot about the kind of people they are.
There are more important things in life than a few post-match interviews.
Be interesting if Tyrone were to win an All Ireland and the primary television station couldn't get an interview off anyone. What would happen with the televised banquet.
Be interesting if Tyrone were to win an All Ireland and the primary television station couldn't get an interview off anyone. What would happen with the televised banquet.
RTE would be shitting themselves and tripping over each other trying to apologise.
Be interesting if Tyrone were to win an All Ireland and the primary television station couldn't get an interview off anyone. What would happen with the televised banquet.
RTE would be shitting themselves and tripping over each other trying to apologise.
Be a while before you have to worry about that!
So Tyrone played 5 games in McKenna Cup, 7 in league and the county panel have had 4/5 months of uninterupted time together but could anyone even come close to naming the team that will start against Down? I was trying to have a go but got stuck after Morgan!!!!!!!
So Tyrone played 5 games in McKenna Cup, 7 in league and the county panel have had 4/5 months of uninterupted time together but could anyone even come close to naming the team that will start against Down? I was trying to have a go but got stuck after Morgan!!!!!!!
Unfortunately that is true. The problem is that we have too many players on the same level, particularly in defence. Take the corner back slots, there isn't much difference between McRory, Tierney, Quinn, McKenna. Harte has given them all a chance to nail the jersey & none of them have. Their simply isn't enough stardust in the squad.
My 15 would be
1 N Morgan
2 R McNamee
3 C Clarke
4 AN other - any of the 4 mentioned above
5 D McBride
6 C Gormley
7 P Harte
8 Colm Cavanagh
9 One of the McMahon bros if fit
10 Martin Penrose
11 Ronan O'Neill
12 Mathew Donnelly
13 Kyle Coney
14 Sean Cavanagh
15 Darren McCurry
All senior and reserve players to wear gumshields in league and champ starting this weekend?cumpolsary? As if the refs haven't enough to worry about
McCrory marked Poland out of the game on Sunday. Would Dwayne Quinn from Clonoe be an option for the corner back spot?
I never seen young Burns pick up a man last year at all, he played as a sweeper in front of the full back line, you could hardly describe him as a man marker. Would McCrory from Errigal not be a man marker?
What's the story with Ronan ONeill? Not in Mickey's plans?
What's the story with Ronan ONeill? Not in Mickey's plans?
I see on the other Down V Tyrone thread posters talking about how MH should have players that are the man markers in their clubs in the county set up? Who are we talking about here? Does any of Errigal's returned players have the potential to do this?
Who would Clonoe's man marker be?
Seen some Kildress lad mentioned but to be honest I've never really seen him- didn't he get a run out in McKenna cup last year?
Frank Burns looked to have great potential in last years AI minor final.
Why did mc aliskey not take the last free..Thought he showed his worth today.
PJ Lavery - never gets a kick all through the National League.. not a single game.
then we throw him into the last ten mins of our most important game of the season. I am not knocking him as I think he is a good player, but surely he should have got a few league games to find his feet.
Others who played through the league like Shea McGuigan get no game time at all.
You really have to scratch your head at some of the things going on regarding Tyrone at minute.
Sean Cavanagh had plenty to say in 03, 05 and 08 in the media and I don't remember it doing much harm to Tyrone. People in Tyrone are the hardest to listen to defeat and use it as an excuse to give out abuse all round to people who have did a lot for the county over the years.
I think the next time you see Tyrone management/players talking to RTE will be when there is different management in place.
Dear Redhand Santa, this is my wish list for the Tyrone management team. Please feel free to tell me if you think they are doing any of these to an acceptable level:
1. Develop a system of play that suits the current squad
2. Improve the young talent in the squad that should be as good or better than any in the country given their record at underage level
3. Oversee a strength & conditioning program that will enable these players to meet the demands of the modern game4. Motivate the team on match days to be at least as committed as the opposition in going for 50/50 ball
5. Unite the county behind the team
6. Manage media commitments of players to ensure that over exposure does not hinder performance
7. Enhance the reputation of the county
8. Have a succession plan in place for whenever it is time for the next management to take over
I know that there are great people in the present set up, management and players, but for one reason or another they are no longer doing their job well, or at least the parts outlined above...........
I think the next time you see Tyrone management/players talking to RTE will be when there is different management in place.
I think the next time you see Tyrone management/players talking to RTE will be when there is different management in place.
Hopefully that'll not be too far away EC.
Dear Redhand Santa, this is my wish list for the Tyrone management team. Please feel free to tell me if you think they are doing any of these to an acceptable level:
1. Develop a system of play that suits the current squad
2. Improve the young talent in the squad that should be as good or better than any in the country given their record at underage level
3. Oversee a strength & conditioning program that will enable these players to meet the demands of the modern game
4. Motivate the team on match days to be at least as committed as the opposition in going for 50/50 ball
5. Unite the county behind the team
6. Manage media commitments of players to ensure that over exposure does not hinder performance
7. Enhance the reputation of the county
8. Have a succession plan in place for whenever it is time for the next management to take over
I know that there are great people in the present set up, management and players, but for one reason or another they are no longer doing their job well, or at least the parts outlined above...........
Sean Cavanagh had plenty to say in 03, 05 and 08 in the media and I don't remember it doing much harm to Tyrone. People in Tyrone are the hardest to listen to defeat and use it as an excuse to give out abuse all round to people who have did a lot for the county over the years.I agree but there is a take on it that is different. Some people now think brolly is a puppet for someone higher up in rte.. how dare mic key harte stand up to the national broadcaster. There is a concerted effort on to destabilise Tyrone football a bias by Rte and it's henchmen round the table. I think it's time to support mic key not row in with Rte and the joes of this world.
I can see where people are coming from about improving the media relationship but the more I listen to the bias against Tyrone the less inclined I would be to talk to RTE. There agenda is sickening and wouldn't be speaking to them.
I don't think its having a huge influence on our chances. Before the fall out from 03 to 08 they gave Tyrone nothing but abuse anyway. Remember puke football and Spillane's constant rants about them. The abuse given to Dooher in 03 etc. It didn't do us any harm then because we had a team capable of winning.
I can see where people are coming from about improving the media relationship but the more I listen to the bias against Tyrone the less inclined I would be to talk to RTE. There agenda is sickening and wouldn't be speaking to them.
I don't think its having a huge influence on our chances. Before the fall out from 03 to 08 they gave Tyrone nothing but abuse anyway. Remember puke football and Spillane's constant rants about them. The abuse given to Dooher in 03 etc. It didn't do us any harm then because we had a team capable of winning.
I can see where people are coming from about improving the media relationship but the more I listen to the bias against Tyrone the less inclined I would be to talk to RTE. There agenda is sickening and wouldn't be speaking to them.
I don't think its having a huge influence on our chances. Before the fall out from 03 to 08 they gave Tyrone nothing but abuse anyway. Remember puke football and Spillane's constant rants about them. The abuse given to Dooher in 03 etc. It didn't do us any harm then because we had a team capable of winning.
Ignoring the problem with RTE won't make it go away. If Mickey won't talk to RTE for personel reasons thats all fine and well and understandable but this should not be allowed to have such a negative effect on the image of Tyrone. Tony Donnelly and the players should be encouraged to represent the County on the National broadcaster. The fact that the county board have not dealt with this issue shows a weakness.
I can see where people are coming from about improving the media relationship but the more I listen to the bias against Tyrone the less inclined I would be to talk to RTE. There agenda is sickening and wouldn't be speaking to them.
I don't think its having a huge influence on our chances. Before the fall out from 03 to 08 they gave Tyrone nothing but abuse anyway. Remember puke football and Spillane's constant rants about them. The abuse given to Dooher in 03 etc. It didn't do us any harm then because we had a team capable of winning.
Ignoring the problem with RTE won't make it go away. If Mickey won't talk to RTE for personel reasons thats all fine and well and understandable but this should not be allowed to have such a negative effect on the image of Tyrone. Tony Donnelly and the players should be encouraged to represent the County on the National broadcaster. The fact that the county board have not dealt with this issue shows a weakness.
Would that not undermine the Manager?
Sean Cavanagh had plenty to say in 03, 05 and 08 in the media and I don't remember it doing much harm to Tyrone. People in Tyrone are the hardest to listen to defeat and use it as an excuse to give out abuse all round to people who have did a lot for the county over the years.I agree but there is a take on it that is different. Some people now think brolly is a puppet for someone higher up in rte.. how dare mic key harte stand up to the national broadcaster. There is a concerted effort on to destabilise Tyrone football a bias by Rte and it's henchmen round the table. I think it's time to support mic key not row in with Rte and the joes of this world.
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.
Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.
Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.
why do you care so much about the sponsors? Tyrone were boycotting rte before the sponsor came on board so I am sure they knew what they were letting themselves in for.
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.
Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.
why do you care so much about the sponsors? Tyrone were boycotting rte before the sponsor came on board so I am sure they knew what they were letting themselves in for.
Sponsorship is an important part of the revenue which is used to support gaelic games within the county. A protracted issue such as this damages the brand image of Tyrone and value of sponsorship which the county can generate in the future. It is also a perfect example of poor and shortsighted decision making of the current management set up in Tyrone.
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.
Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.
why do you care so much about the sponsors? Tyrone were boycotting rte before the sponsor came on board so I am sure they knew what they were letting themselves in for.
Sponsorship is an important part of the revenue which is used to support gaelic games within the county. A protracted issue such as this damages the brand image of Tyrone and value of sponsorship which the county can generate in the future. It is also a perfect example of poor and shortsighted decision making of the current management set up in Tyrone.
Sounds like you have been watching a lot of dragons den repeats on Dave recently!lol This is a football forum not a business forum. Where Hunky Dorys put their advertising and sponsorship money is their business. They knew there was an RTE boycott before they made the decison to sponsor Tyrone GAA and if they arent happy they can pull out at the end of the contract. Not doing RTE inerviews had nothing to do with Tyrone getting beat by Monaghan. It was a mix of team selection, tactics and individual player performance, thats were every game is won and lost.
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.
Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.
why do you care so much about the sponsors? Tyrone were boycotting rte before the sponsor came on board so I am sure they knew what they were letting themselves in for.
Sponsorship is an important part of the revenue which is used to support gaelic games within the county. A protracted issue such as this damages the brand image of Tyrone and value of sponsorship which the county can generate in the future. It is also a perfect example of poor and shortsighted decision making of the current management set up in Tyrone.
Sounds like you have been watching a lot of dragons den repeats on Dave recently!lol This is a football forum not a business forum. Where Hunky Dorys put their advertising and sponsorship money is their business. They knew there was an RTE boycott before they made the decison to sponsor Tyrone GAA and if they arent happy they can pull out at the end of the contract. Not doing RTE inerviews had nothing to do with Tyrone getting beat by Monaghan. It was a mix of team selection, tactics and individual player performance, thats were every game is won and lost.
My mistake there's me thinking its a forum to discuss all issues which effect gaelic games. I am well aware that the RTE issue had no impact on Tyrones performance. It will however impact on Tyrone teams in the future. Burying the head in the sand won't fix it either. I am following Tyrone for over 30 years now through thick and thin and i honestly think that 11 years under one manager so fixed in his ways is now having a major negative effect on Tyrone both on the field and off.
Something needs to be done, with hard decisions made from the top down!
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quote]Something needs to be done, with hard decisions made from the top down!
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.I think the whole problem can be laid at the door of the county board.It is run by a mixture of juntas liars and headtheballs!We need an urgent raid out of this pile of shite as it ain't bringing much luck to our county teams in spite of crazy amounts of money invested.
Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.
Seniors, U-21s and minors out of Ulster at quarter final stage.we will win nothing until the dung within the county board is cleaned out!too many evil deeds carried out by insurgents within our county set up!
How do we fix it HTR? Who's the victim of evil deeds?we fix it by raiding it clane out!just take a look at some of the ones involved in the various committees they would nt know the feel of a ball other than their own or a female ball in terms of the bitches.I am really serious about this.We are a complete laughing stock!
It looks like Harte will be in the hot seat for another year. I really can't see him clearing out his backroom a la Jim Mc Guinness. It all appears to have gone stale within the county set up. We need new ideas, a red out of the fringe panelists and a new approach to strength and conditioning.
Who are we suggesting gets the chop? Tony Donnelly? Fergal McCann? Horse? Michael Harte?
Forget about Dooher seen him at Breffini this year!He was a top class footballer but his management ability is in line with working with cattle! Ryan Porter is a must for Tyrone!
Also someone like Canavan or Dooher as Assistant Manager might be a good idea. If Mickey is a bit aloof from the younger players, there is a void to be filled there.
Also someone like Canavan or Dooher as Assistant Manager might be a good idea. If Mickey is a bit aloof from the younger players, there is a void to be filled there.
Wasn't this the problem with trainer Patrick Tally back in 2003-2004? Players where going to him rather than the manager which resulted in the termination of his involvement with the Tyrone senior set up?
That could be just rumours though.
Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.
He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him. Don't know how much further you can go than the top.
Free. Wi fi in the Great Northern Bundoran! I am thinking of writing a book on The demise of Tyrone football at all levels!If Ciaran McLaughlin would only stop being a dictator and employ and/or use the services of men who have achieved in the past!
Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.
He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him. Don't know how much further you can go than the top.
It looks like Harte will be in the hot seat for another year. I really can't see him clearing out his backroom a la Jim Mc Guinness. It all appears to have gone stale within the county set up. We need new ideas, a red out of the fringe panelists and a new approach to strength and conditioning.I have seen several people mention this, you would nearly think Tyrone aren't doing any S&C work :-\
Over the past number of years they have been working with the guys in SINI on this side of things, so i imagine they are doing all the right things and getting the best advice.
I certainly dont think that is were the problem lies, i dont think the current Tyrone team look any less fit or physically strong than the majority of teams out there at the minute.
Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.
He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him. Don't know how much further you can go than the top.
Willys sessions are poor. Really are. Im not doubting his knowledge but his sessions with tyrone mostly focus on 'prehab' work. not sure that is a direct instruction from mickey or mccann but the programme seems pretty easy. Only fellas in tyrone that are properly bulked up are the ones who have went away and done it themselves m. donnelly, c.cavanagh etc. certainly wasn't from doing willie moore programme.
The other big problem is that a weight wasn't lifted in tyrone senior squad this year until Jan.....which is pretty rubbish really by management. should have 2-3 months of heavy gym work finished at that stage. think its just an extra sign of things going stale this year
Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.
He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him. Don't know how much further you can go than the top.
Xmas lights, you have just shown your hand, the fact, and I refer to fact, is that Tyrone S&C is behind the Doneagals, Dublins, Armagh and Cavan (it isn't Peter Donnelly, it's a company from Dublin who bring that expertise to Cavan) and it really shows in our inability to break the tackles, bar the few players we know r going to their own private trainers. Mc Elkennon is top bracket, advising county teams and doing personal private training with numerous county players from Ulster and Lenister. What a waste not using his outstanding knowledge in this area for Tyrone
Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.
He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him. Don't know how much further you can go than the top.
Xmas lights, you have just shown your hand, the fact, and I refer to fact, is that Tyrone S&C is behind the Doneagals, Dublins, Armagh and Cavan (it isn't Peter Donnelly, it's a company from Dublin who bring that expertise to Cavan) and it really shows in our inability to break the tackles, bar the few players we know r going to their own private trainers. Mc Elkennon is top bracket, advising county teams and doing personal private training with numerous county players from Ulster and Lenister. What a waste not using his outstanding knowledge in this area for Tyrone
I think its safe to say that Mickey Harte & Martin McElkennon wont be working together again!
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.But what happened?
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.But what happened?
Nothing actually happened between them, just people going their own ways.McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.
Harte and Paddy Tally also worked together at St Ciarans Ballygawley. Maybe it's this school that's that problem. A cesspool of corruption???
maybe its Harte, the Glencull row and RTE row demonstrate a deep thick man.
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.But what happened?
Nothing actually happened between them, just people going their own ways.McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.
Harte and Paddy Tally also worked together at St Ciarans Ballygawley. Maybe it's this school that's that problem. A cesspool of corruption???
maybe its Harte, the Glencull row and RTE row demonstrate a deep thick man.
McElkennon and Tally are both men with their own ideas and would both like to have a big input. Harte is his own man and likes to be surrounded with yes men.
Harte has begun the task of rebuilding within Tyrone. The simple truth is there is no other candidate in Tyrone who can match his experience and knowledge. The man is a 'full time' Tyrone Manager, I don't know any other man who could give this 24/7 time to the job. IMO the Armagh defeat highlighted many issues that I believe he will learn from and deal with. I have my own gripes about selection and personnel but I'm not involved every night at training every night so I will trust a man who knows more than most. I also believe the squad he has is a very poor one in comparison to the AI winning teams. Only Matty Donnelly, Colm Cavanagh and Peter Harte appear to have physically developed themselves to play at this level. Too many if the rest of the squad are bluffing in terms of S&C with no chance in their physique over the last number of years. To play county football at this time at a serious level requires huge sacrifice dedication and discipline qualities our AI trams had in abundance along with their undoubted quality and talent. A lot of our young 'talent' (and some not so young) are a spoilt arrogant twitter premiership generation who feel everyone owes them something with their ridiculous attitude, co stand desire to be in the paper, stupid headphones, want to be wags and the lazy excuses for failure that are ready as quick at the flights to the USA. Change is good Harte is making it but the next squad of players need to stand up for themselves, and quickly.. I had retired from the thread but had to return to echo my congratulations to Dell for his complete honesty. Wisest words spoke all year!
Word on the street that Peter Donnelly is set to join hartes backroom team as S&C coach
;) ;)
Harte has begun the task of rebuilding within Tyrone. The simple truth is there is no other candidate in Tyrone who can match his experience and knowledge. The man is a 'full time' Tyrone Manager, I don't know any other man who could give this 24/7 time to the job. IMO the Armagh defeat highlighted many issues that I believe he will learn from and deal with. I have my own gripes about selection and personnel but I'm not involved every night at training every night so I will trust a man who knows more than most. I also believe the squad he has is a very poor one in comparison to the AI winning teams. Only Matty Donnelly, Colm Cavanagh and Peter Harte appear to have physically developed themselves to play at this level. Too many if the rest of the squad are bluffing in terms of S&C with no chance in their physique over the last number of years. To play county football at this time at a serious level requires huge sacrifice dedication and discipline qualities our AI trams had in abundance along with their undoubted quality and talent. A lot of our young 'talent' (and some not so young) are a spoilt arrogant twitter premiership generation who feel everyone owes them something with their ridiculous attitude, co stand desire to be in the paper, stupid headphones, want to be wags and the lazy excuses for failure that are ready as quick at the flights to the USA. Change is good Harte is making it but the next squad of players need to stand up for themselves, and quickly.
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!
What title do they hold?sorry Benny I am awfully silly! I meant to write title challengers . this should not take away from what Geezer has achieved in a short spell !
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!
What title do they hold?sorry Benny I am awfully silly! I meant to write title challengers . this should not take away from what Geezer has achieved in a short spell !
Would you agree with my assumption that if Geezer was manager of Tyrone ; at least half a dozen of the current panel would be made stay at home.There is nothing as bad as having to look at Trones under achievers posing at games over the summer. if I were them I' d be either in the gym or hiding. Tyrone need to catch themselves on and realise that it takes guts to win games;skill is only one of the ingredients.Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!
What title do they hold?sorry Benny I am awfully silly! I meant to write title challengers . this should not take away from what Geezer has achieved in a short spell !
He certainly added a level of aggression to Armagh that we were sadly missing this year.
Would you agree with my assumption that if Geezer was manager of Tyrone ; at least half a dozen of the current panel would be made stay at home.There is nothing as bad as having to look at Trones under achievers posing at games over the summer. if I were them I' d be either in the gym or hiding. Tyrone need to catch themselves on and realise that it takes guts to win games;skill is only one of the ingredients.Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!
What title do they hold?sorry Benny I am awfully silly! I meant to write title challengers . this should not take away from what Geezer has achieved in a short spell !
He certainly added a level of aggression to Armagh that we were sadly missing this year.
Would you agree with my assumption that if Geezer was manager of Tyrone ; at least half a dozen of the current panel would be made stay at home.There is nothing as bad as having to look at Trones under achievers posing at games over the summer. if I were them I' d be either in the gym or hiding. Tyrone need to catch themselves on and realise that it takes guts to win games;skill is only one of the ingredients.Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!tyrone county board love wasting money with all the igots throwing money at club tyrone. Some of the Tyrone backroom staff are more than well fed!
What title do they hold?sorry Benny I am awfully silly! I meant to write title challengers . this should not take away from what Geezer has achieved in a short spell !
He certainly added a level of aggression to Armagh that we were sadly missing this year.
If he was manager of Tyrone he'd probably ship players in from Cavan and bankrupt the county board. But at least we'd show a bit of guts and get to an AI quarter final which seems to be his glass ceiling as manager.
The 2015 Tyrone minor footballers will be under the guidance of a new-look management team. The managerial duo of Mickey Donnelly and Kieran McHugh have landed the services of triple All-Ireland winners Brian McGuigan and Ryan McMenamin to their coaching team, in what is seen as a massive boost to Tyrone’s prospects. The pair excelled at opposite ends of the pitch for Mickey Harte’s senior side during the most successful spell in the county’s history, McMenamin one of the finest defensive players Tyrone has ever produced, while McGuigan was their architect and playmaker in attack. Now, they will pass on that wealth of knowledge and experience to the next generation of Tyrone stars. Both have already immersed themselves in coaching roles at club level, with McMenamin lauded for the work he has been doing with Dromore’s underage sides, while McGuigan was part of the Ardboe management team which guided the O’Donovan Rossa side to the Tyrone minor final a fortnight ago. It is understood that Donnelly and McHugh will step down from their roles at the end of the 2015 campaign, regardless of the outcome, and that would create a scenario which would allow a seamless transition for McGuigan and McMenamin to take over the lead roles heading into 2016 and beyond - See more at: http://ulsterherald.com/2014/09/02/mcguigan-and-mcmenamin-join-tyrone-minor-management-team/#sthash.Tu9M688R.dpuf
Your naivety is laughable NDA. You reckon the county board has a strategy? They aren't even aware that these men were being asked. Papering over the cracks.
Your naivety is laughable NDA. You reckon the county board has a strategy? They aren't even aware that these men were being asked. Papering over the cracks.You seem to know a lot. Maybe too much? My guess is your a dissenting voice in county board circles that was kept out of the loop then.
A similar management strategy was tried 2 years ago with the u21s!! Didn't Philip Jordan and Brian Dooher help Raymond Munroe. That didn't work out to well but perhaps Donnelly may be more open minded than what Munroe is rumoured to be.Similar thing tried with u21s yes but my guy feeling is this is a better strategy. Ricey and Brian have more coaching experience and reports suggest they will be taking charge in 2016.
A similar management strategy was tried 2 years ago with the u21s!! Didn't Philip Jordan and Brian Dooher help Raymond Munroe. That didn't work out to well but perhaps Donnelly may be more open minded than what Munroe is rumoured to be.Similar thing tried with u21s yes but my guy feeling is this is a better strategy. Ricey and Brian have more coaching experience and reports suggest they will be taking charge in 2016.
The 2015 Tyrone minor management post remains open this morning following a decision taken at the county committee meeting last night. It had been thought that Mickey Donnelly and Kieran McHugh would be ratified as managers for the new season but they failed to garner enough votes from the county’s leading decision making body. Donnelly and McHugh were in charge of the Tyrone minor footballers since the beginning of the 2011 season.
Nominations for the management posts now rest with the clubs. Those nominations and selection of the new management team are expected to be concluded in the coming weeks
Was it not the case that Donnelly was reinstated a couple of weeks ago "unopposed", from what i hear it was rushed through and there was actually another party which were interested, this party then made a complaint to the county committee.
So who has the job??
Was told today that two lough shore men might drop parish rivalries and go for the minor job. Micky Donnelly will walk into a big club job next year.
So who has the job??
You interested in it? You have a decent CV and good knowledge of footballing affairs around the county.
So who has the job??
You interested in it? You have a decent CV and good knowledge of footballing affairs around the county.
when u hit 50+ umpiring is my limit i am afraid..
So who has the job??
You interested in it? You have a decent CV and good knowledge of footballing affairs around the county.
when u hit 50+ umpiring is my limit i am afraid..
You're far from 50 big lad maybe you and your derrylaughan mate I heard are going for the job.
There is a suggestion that Moortown have an equally as strong a minor side next year, I doubt Paul Devlin would walk away from his team just yet.
I know Mickey Donnelly had managed Mayobridge before taking on the minors, can't say for cetain that he won a Down championship with them but I am fairly certain he did.
Would Paul Devlin (Moortown) not be looking a go at it considering his success this year with Moortown minors?
What are the usual credentials for a minor manager? What where Mickey Donnellys for example?
Paul Dook yes had great year with murtin minirs but hes no Ollie Mallaghan who along with Benny Hurl raised the bar in minor football
Mickey Donnelly wasnt even at the minor final this year and him expected to take the tyrone minors next year with probably between murtin and ardboe you could have picked at least 6-8 for the team.this year never mind looking for next year
How many grade 1 games did he go since he took charge??
I see the rumour mill has already begun on the next team sponsor,heard talk of Moy Park but this is a new one.You've created a new facebook page & gaaboard account just to tell us this?
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Red-Hand-Fan/787751621266690
Raised the bar??? They didn't win an Ulster title ffs. Omagh, Fianna and Errigal have all done that in the last 10 years. Good wee team but that comment was way off. There would be worse ideas than bringing Raymond Munroe back. Suits U18 management and has a proven track record.
It would appear that Micky Donnelly is still the county Minor Manager despite not havng the support of the County Committee.Was there a meeting last night?
Still the manager for now, another meeting to be called, needs a 2/3 majority to overturn that and open the position up for nominations.
It is alleged that he was also managing a club team in Fermanagh, I'm told this isn't permitted.
Tyrone national league fixtures 2015,
Round1 Monaghan Home Sat Jan31st
Round2 Mayo away Sunday Feb 8th
Round 3, Sat Feb 28th Derry home
Round 4, Sat 7th March Dublin away
Round 5, Cork homeSunday 15thMarch
Round 6,Donegal away sat 28thMarch
Round 7, Kerry home Sunday 5th April.
Rumours that fergus is back and intends filling a hole in the tyrone defence
Might be a job that's a poison chalice. The Under 17s were hammered in the Jim McGuigan final this year by Donegal who they meet in the opening round of the championship. Now that'll count for nothing in May but if Tyrone are beat there'll be some crying one way or another by the other party.
We're no worse off than Donegal who are making Declan Bonner reapply
Correction.
We are just as bad as Donegal. Our minor management also had to reapply following last year's All Ireland final.
Red Hands seek Croker clarification after Donnelly loses minor vote!!
Hoganstand have got hold of this story that Tyrone County Board don't have a clue what's going on up on the hill. They have asked Croke Park for clarification to find out if Mick Donnelly is still our Minor Manager. This is a farce. I'm surprised Micky hasn't walked away from this knowing he doesn't have the support of the county clubs.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=226064
Any word of Tyrone retirements or shall we also say forced retirements for 2015.
Any idea of who will be coming in? Bar Fergus
Red Hands seek Croker clarification after Donnelly loses minor vote!!
Hoganstand have got hold of this story that Tyrone County Board don't have a clue what's going on up on the hill. They have asked Croke Park for clarification to find out if Mick Donnelly is still our Minor Manager. This is a farce. I'm surprised Micky hasn't walked away from this knowing he doesn't have the support of the county clubs.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=226064
I am very surprised at this also that he hasn't walked by now but possibly he is going to play the 'smart' game and seek revenge.
He could be lying in the grass waiting on this whole saga to unfold, clarifications etc which could all take a few more weeks and then when all is said and done he will inform the county board that he is no longer interested and leave them high and dry with wasted time and money and no manager - then trying to get a manager to get all sorted out regarding trials will be a nightmare. apparently Derry have already completed their trials and are ready to go ....
Any word of Tyrone retirements or shall we also say forced retirements for 2015.
Any idea of who will be coming in? Bar Fergus
Can we stop this Fergus shit. He is going to need as much support as possible, especially from Tyrone people, players and supporters.
Any word of Tyrone retirements or shall we also say forced retirements for 2015.
Any idea of who will be coming in? Bar Fergus
Can we stop this Fergus shit. He is going to need as much support as possible, especially from Tyrone people, players and supporters.
I support him coming back - everyone has their issues but I actually thought he had changed his name!
Mc Carron was at the fitness tests in Cookstown. What worries me is that we cant even hold our fitness testing in the multi million pound 'Centre of Excellence' :-\ :-\
Looking fwd and putting all the above aside I feel the introduction of Peter Donnelly to the Tyrone setup will bring great change. A born leader, winner, captain and now - excellent trainer he can only help Tyrone. I Believe we still have the talent, that there is no doubt but we must add steel, grit and will to win. All of which Donnelly will bring to the table. He will not accept excuses from the current bunch which I believe there to be plenty...Conditioning is crucial in the modern game and Donnelly will provide a fresh approach to that. I fancy us to give it a real rattle this year.
Is there a Carmen clear out? Our two fellas went through the fitness test but no word of Michael Cassidy. Surely he must be in line for a call up shortly?
I heard the general consensus amongst the players where that they didn't want to turn their backs to Cathal McCarron - well I suppose would you??
Was there not talk of Mattie Donnelly walking away or never playing in the same team as Mc Carron ever again???????
I have it on good authority that Mickey Donnelly is to be ratified as minor manager for another year. Croke Park must have ruled in his favour.
Assuming this will be brought before the county committee on Tuesday night.
Anyone know of names Harte has approached to join the squad? Niall Sludden has to be a certainty to get on the panel this year. If he does I've not a doubt in my mind he'll be in the starting team come summer. Class act.+1
Just think Bradley may have the same problem as McCurry has to an extent - his size. He will be very small for Senior intercounty footbal but an excellent inside forward he is, no doubt in that. I'd give any defender who looks half decent a trial because other than Aidy McCrory our full back line was woeful last year. I think thats 99% of the reason McCarrons back in the fold. Drastic times/drastic measures and all that. Also would leave Ruari Sludden to focus on U21s. Don't think he's ready for intercounty senior yet and a good year with U21s would be more beneficial to him probably than being on the fringe of our senior panel. Same goes for most of our U21s, let the lads focus on their own grade and those who show up best get drafted into the panel? Seems to me a reasonable idea.ruari sludden was kicked of the u21 panel last year,maybe he has changed this year but I don't think he has the right mentality for county football.remember you have to nearly train 4/5 nights a week.niall sludden should get a look at for sure
danny Gorman and mark Bradley should def be worth a look at from killyclogher.very impressive on sunday
Anyone know of names Harte has approached to join the squad? Niall Sludden has to be a certainty to get on the panel this year. If he does I've not a doubt in my mind he'll be in the starting team come summer. Class act.
After the last couple of years anyone fresh is worth a shot.Anyone know of names Harte has approached to join the squad? Niall Sludden has to be a certainty to get on the panel this year. If he does I've not a doubt in my mind he'll be in the starting team come summer. Class act.
Ruairi Loughran Carrickmore
Michael Cassidy Ardboe
Frank Burns Pomeroy
Hugh Pat McGeary Pomeroy
Conall Mc Cann Killyclogher
Jason Mc Anulla Omagh
Shane O'Hagan Clonoe
Any of these lads worth a shot?
if thats the quality of new players ticket sales would be poor imo
danny Gorman and mark Bradley should def be worth a look at from killyclogher.very impressive on sunday
What year was Gorman Co minor captain before he broke his leg?
Always thought about how Cavlan was treated differently, but as you say he was at the end of his career and no longer required. What exactly did McCarron do in the video? Did he interact with anyone else or was it a solo?you dont want to know :-[
Always thought about how Cavlan was treated differently, but as you say he was at the end of his career and no longer required. What exactly did McCarron do in the video? Did he interact with anyone else or was it a solo?you dont want to know :-[
Never watched or had any intention of watching the video, I wonder how someone from here ever stumbled across it in the first place? How do you bring that to your mates attention?
Never watched or had any intention of watching the video, I wonder how someone from here ever stumbled across it in the first place? How do you bring that to your mates attention?
I heard that it was actually discovered in Oz by an ex pat but then again it would be interesting to trace it back to the first man that laid eyes on it! lol
Always thought about how Cavlan was treated differently, but as you say he was at the end of his career and no longer required. What exactly did McCarron do in the video? Did he interact with anyone else or was it a solo?you dont want to know :-[
Lets just say he had his cake and he ate it......... :-\
Always thought about how Cavlan was treated differently, but as you say he was at the end of his career and no longer required. What exactly did McCarron do in the video? Did he interact with anyone else or was it a solo?you dont want to know :-[
Lets just say he had his cake and he ate it......... :-\
Any cream on the cake?
From what i heard he is going to Dungannon, not sure how true that is. Im sure hes big enough to take it :-X
Would Trillick take him?
2013 Tyrone reached the AI semi final, had no luck at all in the game, injuries, dodgy penalty etc. the minors reached the final, beaten narrowly. Hardly dross surely. Most counties would give their an arm, a leg and plenty more to be in that position.
2013 Tyrone reached the AI semi final, had no luck at all in the game, injuries, dodgy penalty etc. the minors reached the final, beaten narrowly. Hardly dross surely. Most counties would give their an arm, a leg and plenty more to be in that position.
was interesting to hear Harte say on TG4 last week when interviewed that he was going to be more "hands on" this year and that his mgmt team is staying as currently is i.e. him, horse and Donnelly (donnelly having a role at all levels of course). Will that be enough to inspire the players? By all accounts his hands off approach with most players hasnt worked up to now, but then again was this not the way he operated even in the glory years when his interaction was really only with some of the key players. I have heard from a few sources that if next year is to be his last, he will pull out "all" stops to ensure tyrone get precedence over club football, more so than before.
On the McCarron thing, its going to divide the county, it is already..yes the mantra is - we should forgive and forget, but the apparent destruction this man has left behind leaves a big element of mistrust which cant be good for the camp.
was interesting to hear Harte say on TG4 last week when interviewed that he was going to be more "hands on" this year and that his mgmt team is staying as currently is i.e. him, horse and Donnelly (donnelly having a role at all levels of course). Will that be enough to inspire the players? By all accounts his hands off approach with most players hasnt worked up to now, but then again was this not the way he operated even in the glory years when his interaction was really only with some of the key players. I have heard from a few sources that if next year is to be his last, he will pull out "all" stops to ensure tyrone get precedence over club football, more so than before.
On the McCarron thing, its going to divide the county, it is already..yes the mantra is - we should forgive and forget, but the apparent destruction this man has left behind leaves a big element of mistrust which cant be good for the camp.
I believe this is to be the case also - club football will be destroyed in Tyrone in 2015 - MH will issue ultimate pressure on players to focus on county only and will use other counties are prime examples of how it leads to success - Donegal, Kerry, Dublin, even Armagh. I think this year we will see limited access to our county players especially with a prelim game v Donegal in early May. If we use the normal 2 week rule then that means end of April / early May and with Easter in April next year we could see a scenario whereby only 2 or 3 A.C.L games played before Tyrone play Donegal.
was interesting to hear Harte say on TG4 last week when interviewed that he was going to be more "hands on" this year and that his mgmt team is staying as currently is i.e. him, horse and Donnelly (donnelly having a role at all levels of course). Will that be enough to inspire the players? By all accounts his hands off approach with most players hasnt worked up to now, but then again was this not the way he operated even in the glory years when his interaction was really only with some of the key players. I have heard from a few sources that if next year is to be his last, he will pull out "all" stops to ensure tyrone get precedence over club football, more so than before.
On the McCarron thing, its going to divide the county, it is already..yes the mantra is - we should forgive and forget, but the apparent destruction this man has left behind leaves a big element of mistrust which cant be good for the camp.
I believe this is to be the case also - club football will be destroyed in Tyrone in 2015 - MH will issue ultimate pressure on players to focus on county only and will use other counties are prime examples of how it leads to success - Donegal, Kerry, Dublin, even Armagh. I think this year we will see limited access to our county players especially with a prelim game v Donegal in early May. If we use the normal 2 week rule then that means end of April / early May and with Easter in April next year we could see a scenario whereby only 2 or 3 A.C.L games played before Tyrone play Donegal.
You are making a good case for him.
Any word of of trials taking place or who is at them? Could do with finding a few defenders, a midfield option or 2 and and a couple of half forwards forward for starters. Would be good to see mcmahons staying fit and making a big push next year. Justy looks in better shape than has for years. Will also be good to see Clarke back. In terms of players for trials I assume some of the following will be involved:
Mccarron
Swift (if staying home)
Gorman
Mark Bradley (looks to have bulked out a we bit but still very small, could even be worth a go at 11 anyway)
Meyler
Hugh Gallagher
Mcnulty
Walsh
Niall sludden
Burns (how's he progressing?)
Many others out there worth a go? Tierney from the Omagh games looks a real option at half back.
I think its more to do with the players rather than Harte that things have regressed. At the end of the day how many chances has a lot of these fringe players to get to they put down two good performances together. Suffocate their development?? The players aren't making it easy for him, no consistency whatsoever! Yes he probably makes it worse by changing the team regularly but boys like Kyle Coney and the forwards in general continue to dissapoint time after time and show no signs of developing any kind of consistency. They simply can't put two good games back to back. The group of the 00's was special, couldn't name 3 of the players under 28 who have the character of the men in them teams.
O'Neill and Penrose call it a day
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30050584 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30050584)
2 great servants for Tyrone. O'Neill especially was a joy to watch when injury free, scored some fantastic points down the years.
Watching Stevie take 10 points of Francie was the highlight for me although he scored some great goals over the years.did my keever ever learn to tackle
Always annoyed me how Refs would tend to make exceptions for great players like Stevie rather than just giving the free.
However I suppose that did come back to serve us well n 2005 when we got that last free
Was this the moment or was it a different one
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Some of the points he kicked in Croker from crazy angles was a joy to behold
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Anyone got his total score tally?
It's as valid a perspective as any of the harte basher s but is laughable as it's now as sure as Xmas that you will post this. I for one hope that he has a successful final year in charge of Tyrone football. What a great run we all had..
Rational debate is in order indeed without this usual line of how can you question a man who won 3 AI's and several underage ones.
We all change and the game changes. Look at Arsene Wenger for Arsenal. They have been left behind for years now as they stuck with a man that wont change his ways. Ferguson knew when it was time to leave I think.
Still no word on a new sponsor?
is bradley better than oneill mccurry or mcaliskey i doubt it. very small for county ball and hes very one sided but has pace worth a look in mckenna and then hang him upside down on the stairs worked for peter shilton when he was growing. harte will include him as he is a image in his own making harte no fan of big forwards hang up from his own shortness competing with the likes of mcguigan and kerlin back in the 70s. if ure over 5 10 you wont make it up front and especially in the corner.
is bradley better than oneill mccurry or mcaliskey i doubt it. very small for county ball and hes very one sided but has pace worth a look in mckenna and then hang him upside down on the stairs worked for peter shilton when he was growing. harte will include him as he is a image in his own making harte no fan of big forwards hang up from his own shortness competing with the likes of mcguigan and kerlin back in the 70s. if ure over 5 10 you wont make it up front and especially in the corner.
is bradley better than oneill mccurry or mcaliskey i doubt it. very small for county ball and hes very one sided but has pace worth a look in mckenna and then hang him upside down on the stairs worked for peter shilton when he was growing. harte will include him as he is a image in his own making harte no fan of big forwards hang up from his own shortness competing with the likes of mcguigan and kerlin back in the 70s. if ure over 5 10 you wont make it up front and especially in the corner.
::) Aye, O'Neill, Mulligan, Cavlan, Coney are proof of that alright.
http://tyronegaa.ie/2014/12/tyrone-gaa-bank-of-ireland-announce-partnership/ (ftp://tyronegaa.ie/2014/12/tyrone-gaa-bank-of-ireland-announce-partnership/)
Does this mean BOI are Tyrone's new sponsors?
Will new jerseys have Bank Of Ireland on them?
There isn't much details in terms of the o'fiaich cup. Like no mention of who else is playing in it. I assume armagh and Louth.
You'd have to guess the team will be made up more or less of players on trial. Maybe few fringe players from last year but no established ones. Would like to see new players in areas of pitch we're struggling most. Like corner back, holding centre half back, midfield and half forward.
Will the new shirt sponsor be announced tonight?
McAleer and Rushe the new sponsor.
My Irish is not great. Could somebody translate please?
Cathaoirleach – Roisin Jordan – (Eglish) Chairperson
Leas Cathaoirleach – Michael Kerr – (Eire Og An Charraig Mhor) Vice Chairperson
Rúnaí – Dominic McCaughey – (Trillick) Secretary
Leas Rúnaí – Donal Magee – (Killyclogher) Assistant Secretary
Cisteoir – Raymond McKeown – (Moy) Treasurer
Leas Cisteoir – Eileen Connolly – (Newtownstewart) Assistant Treasurer
Ard-Chomhairle – Liam Nelis – (Edendork)
Comhairle Uladh – Ciaran McLaughlin (Strabane) & Adrian O’Kane (Drumragh) Ulster Council
Oifigeach Chairdreamh Poibli – Eunan Lindsay (Glenelly) Public Relations Officer
Oifigeach Cultúr – Cliodhna Kerr (An Charraig Mhor) Cultural Officer
Oifigeach Forbartha – Sarahjane Kelly (Owen Roes)
Oifigeach Oiliúna & Forbartha – Brendan Hurl (Ardboe) Coaching Officer
Oifigeach Iomána – Brendan Harkin (Killyclogher)
Oifigeach Leanaí – Adrian Nugent (Rock) Child Protection
ChairMAN – Roisin Jordan – (Eglish)
Vice Chairman – Michael Kerr – (Eire Og An Charraig Mhor)
Secretary – Dominic McCaughey – (Trillick)
Vice Secetary– Donal Magee – (Killyclogher)
Treasurer – Raymond McKeown – (Moy)
Vice Treasurer – Eileen Connolly – (Newtownstewart)
Executive – Liam Nelis – (Edendork)
Ulster Council Rep – Ciaran McLaughlin (Strabane) & Adrian O’Kane (Drumragh)
PRO – Eunan Lindsay (Glenelly)
Cultural Officer– Cliodhna Kerr (An Charraig Mhor)
Development Officer – Sarahjane Kelly (Owen Roes)
Training & Development – Brendan Hurl (Ardboe)
Hurling Officer – Brendan Harkin (Killyclogher)
Childrens Officer– Adrian Nugent (Rock)
How long has McCaughey been Sectretary?
need a few strings to your bow to get the secretarys job.
What's the story with Conan Grugan & Ciaran McGinley for 2015 season. Reportedly both have pulled out for personal reasons making them unavailable - can anyone shed any light on this please. Both lads will be missed in an very important year ahead - it is a big make or break year for Tyrone !!!
What's the story with Conan Grugan & Ciaran McGinley for 2015 season. Reportedly both have pulled out for personal reasons making them unavailable - can anyone shed any light on this please. Both lads will be missed in an very important year ahead - it is a big make or break year for Tyrone !!!
McGinley working in England as far as I'm aware. No word why Grugan has walked away. Thought it was a big year for this year in terms of development - felt if he was ever going to that now was the time to make the break through. Has appeared to me to lack a we bit of hunger when I've saw him play which I felt was holding him back but he has plenty of talent and still relatively young.
Grugan no big loss in my opinion.
Good game this Sunday to get the season up and running.
not a make or break year for tyrone but a make or break year for harte. mcguiness is gone can he get past donegal if not time to go end of.
let's take it game by game.
Do they announce the line ups for the McKenna Cup in advance or is it on the day?
Still no word on why Grugan pulled out? This could have been a huge year for him.
Think the future for Sean is FF. Won his POY from there in 08 and with his pace dropping a little he would extend his playing time by another few years.
Would have preferred a more experimental panel / line up. Beating Armagh at this stage of the year is neither here nor there. Nice if it happens, no biggie if not. Finding new players us far more important.
Is Dan mcNulty injured?
He could bulk up on the panel but wouldn't be guaranteed as much game time as he will get with Omagh so that could be a factor if his focus is on development.Still no word on why Grugan pulled out? This could have been a huge year for him.
I have been told that has taken the year out to improve his own conditioning and bulk up.
Although im sure he could of done this while on the panel.
Do they announce the line ups for the McKenna Cup in advance or is it on the day?
I think they normally do name the team in advance for McKenna Cup - maybe just with new years they havent done so for this match. Are you waiting patiently to hear if Cathal McShane will be starting?
Would like to have seen more of the new faces get as much game time as possible during the McKenna Cup as well as others who need to establish themselves. What is the point in playing the Cavanagh's, Harte etc when we already know what they can do?
Would like to have seen more of the new faces get as much game time as possible during the McKenna Cup as well as others who need to establish themselves. What is the point in playing the Cavanagh's, Harte etc when we already know what they can do?
The point is to try and win the goddam game!!!!!
Would like to have seen more of the new faces get as much game time as possible during the McKenna Cup as well as others who need to establish themselves. What is the point in playing the Cavanagh's, Harte etc when we already know what they can do?
Any of ye at the match want to give us a run down on who played well and who didn't
How did Padraig McNulty do at MF?
Was it the usual slow build up or any long balls kicked into Sean. I hope Sean stays at FF for the season cos whilst he is great at running with the ball he is creates havoc in there and knows how to win a free. McCurry and any other CF will benefit with a ball winner at FF I think
How did the defence fair?
What age is young McShane and what's his best position? what's he good at?
Anybody hear any reports from the Tyrone camp about 4 high profile players being dropped from the NFL panel?Contribute to the discussion and tell us what you've heard, otherwise your input is pointless
I have heard, 3rd party, that 4 players have been dropped. Obviously I don't want to name names just yet in case it is not true.
Joe Mc Mahon
Mark Donnelly
Kyle Coney
Dermot Carlin
Plunkett Kane
All gone from Tyrone squad for National League.
Think Joe is doing a PGCE atm which could be taking up a lot of his time currently, added to his age it is perhaps not surprising. Dermy has struggled with injuries so I guess thats the reasoning behind his omission. Both these men I would have on the panel for their experience and attitude. Donnelly and Kane I think fall into the category of good players but aren't going to start and they're probably not going to kick on further so maybe its better to have younger guys on the fringe of the squad who are hungrier to develop and push on at this point in their careers. The biggest one here is Coney, but he just has dissapointed time and again. Maybe the year out will be good for him and give him a push to kick on as it seems to have improved Niall McKenna as a player. Some of the lads who were excellent underage players maybe need to feel the shock that its not a given that they're going to be in the Senior set up and if you're not playing well you're not going to be carried.
My team for NFL opener would be.(Think Harte and Tierney may both be out - Concussion and Ankle but not 100% on that.) 1)Morgan 2)McCrory 3)McNamee 4)McCarron 5)McNabb 6)Donnelly 7)TMcCann 8)C.Cav 9)McNulty 10)PJLavery 11)McCurry 12)McShane 13)McAliskey 14)SeanCav 15) McKenna/RON (McKenna deserves it on last week but RON is a special talent but don't know where to play him that he will do damage at intercounty).
Think an Ulster title would be a great achievement this year. Think we're quite a bit away from AI contention, but I'd love to be surprised over the summer.
Difficult to predict the team for this weekend. Did Harte come off with a concussion on Saturday? Probably rules him out of this weekend. I'd go for
1. Morgan
2. McCrory
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. McNabb
6. Donnelly
7. McCann
8. Cavanagh (Colm)
9. McNulty
10. Lavery
11. O'Neill
12. Hughes
13. McCurry
14. Cavanagh (S.)
15. McKenna (N.)
Dermy Carlin looks a cert to go. Joe needs a bit of extra training to get in shape, wouldn't discount him just yet. Maybe its the kick up the ass Kyle Coney needs to give him a year out. As for Mark Donnelly I think theres worse.
Dermy Carlin looks a cert to go. Joe needs a bit of extra training to get in shape, wouldn't discount him just yet. Maybe its the kick up the ass Kyle Coney needs to give him a year out. As for Mark Donnelly I think theres worse.
Kyle Coney's senior career has been so stop and start that I think a year out would be the end rather than a kick up the ass. Have to say I am disappointed that he has been cut from the panel, such a talented minor and has on occasion shown glimpses at senior level. I would have loved to have seem him get a proper run of games in the forward line to see what he could do. Fair enough if he failed to kick on then let him go. Injuries have been an issue but I think the lack of that series of starts has also hindered him.
Raymie Mulgrew had a similar experience and we are now in danger of failing to find a place in the senior team for the outstanding individual talent of the 2008 minor team just as we did with Mulgrew from the 2004 team. I'm not suggesting at all that management is entirely to blame and of course great minors don't always become great seniors but Tyrone can ill afford to miss out on talents like these.
I would like to think Joe will be back before the season is out. Not too bothered about the others, good players and in the case of Carlin and Donnelly very good servants but I think we're better off giving the chance to younger players.
Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.
Dermy Carlin looks a cert to go. Joe needs a bit of extra training to get in shape, wouldn't discount him just yet. Maybe its the kick up the ass Kyle Coney needs to give him a year out. As for Mark Donnelly I think theres worse.
Kyle Coney's senior career has been so stop and start that I think a year out would be the end rather than a kick up the ass. Have to say I am disappointed that he has been cut from the panel, such a talented minor and has on occasion shown glimpses at senior level. I would have loved to have seem him get a proper run of games in the forward line to see what he could do. Fair enough if he failed to kick on then let him go. Injuries have been an issue but I think the lack of that series of starts has also hindered him.
Raymie Mulgrew had a similar experience and we are now in danger of failing to find a place in the senior team for the outstanding individual talent of the 2008 minor team just as we did with Mulgrew from the 2004 team. I'm not suggesting at all that management is entirely to blame and of course great minors don't always become great seniors but Tyrone can ill afford to miss out on talents like these.
I would like to think Joe will be back before the season is out. Not too bothered about the others, good players and in the case of Carlin and Donnelly very good servants but I think we're better off giving the chance to younger players.
Very good point - I feel sorry for Coney and a few others who never seem to get a run of games that are afforded to other players. The likes of Coney, McAliskey, Niall McKenna, Rony O'Neill should be told you have 3 or 4 games whereby you will start, not be taken off unless injured and let us see what you can do - after that then we can make a fair judgement. It is difficult enough to hold a place on the Tyrone team without the fear that you will be first man off or you are looking towards MH all game to see if anyone is coming on...
Give these lads a fair crack at the whip and then they can have no complaints...
Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.
Agreed, also he's not banished from IC football either. Look at McKenna, thrust into IC too early, didn't preform and was tactfully let go on good terms and welcomed back into the fold when he got up to pace again. I'd rather Coney goes out with Ardboe for a while, clears the injuries, defines his role on the pitch and comes back. For all we know he could be well relieved of being rid the commitment of IC football for a while. I can't imagine it's a whole lot of fun hanging around the edges of an high profile but unsuccessful panel for a few years considering how draining it must be on your time. When you look at the time and physical commitment Mattie and McCurry put into becoming first team players it's no wonder not every man is lining up to do it. It's not just enough to be talented anymore, you have to be a professional athlete without getting paid, that's the level Mayo and particularly Dublin have taken it too.
Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.
Agreed, also he's not banished from IC football either. Look at McKenna, thrust into IC too early, didn't preform and was tactfully let go on good terms and welcomed back into the fold when he got up to pace again. I'd rather Coney goes out with Ardboe for a while, clears the injuries, defines his role on the pitch and comes back. For all we know he could be well relieved of being rid the commitment of IC football for a while. I can't imagine it's a whole lot of fun hanging around the edges of an high profile but unsuccessful panel for a few years considering how draining it must be on your time. When you look at the time and physical commitment Mattie and McCurry put into becoming first team players it's no wonder not every man is lining up to do it. It's not just enough to be talented anymore, you have to be a professional athlete without getting paid, that's the level Mayo and particularly Dublin have taken it too.
Much as I like Niall McKenna and was impressed by him on Saturday night, I think its still a bit early to be lauding, as a success, his comeback to the county scene after one good performance in the McKenna Cup. Is this the blue print for the future? Do other counties use this strategy with their best young players? Playing in the stop, start nature of club football in Tyrone will not necessarily help improve Kyle Coney's game. As Redhand Santa suggested, Kyle can "look great when given a bit of space but has always struggled in games with tighter defences". How is he going to improve in this regard playing club football? Personally, I think he is worth persevering with but, it looks like Mickey doesn't. Assuming it was Mickey's decision to drop him from the panel, then that's his prerogative as he sees much more of him than me, so that's fair enough I suppose.
Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.
Agreed, also he's not banished from IC football either. Look at McKenna, thrust into IC too early, didn't preform and was tactfully let go on good terms and welcomed back into the fold when he got up to pace again. I'd rather Coney goes out with Ardboe for a while, clears the injuries, defines his role on the pitch and comes back. For all we know he could be well relieved of being rid the commitment of IC football for a while. I can't imagine it's a whole lot of fun hanging around the edges of an high profile but unsuccessful panel for a few years considering how draining it must be on your time. When you look at the time and physical commitment Mattie and McCurry put into becoming first team players it's no wonder not every man is lining up to do it. It's not just enough to be talented anymore, you have to be a professional athlete without getting paid, that's the level Mayo and particularly Dublin have taken it too.
Much as I like Niall McKenna and was impressed by him on Saturday night, I think its still a bit early to be lauding, as a success, his comeback to the county scene after one good performance in the McKenna Cup. Is this the blue print for the future? Do other counties use this strategy with their best young players? Playing in the stop, start nature of club football in Tyrone will not necessarily help improve Kyle Coney's game. As Redhand Santa suggested, Kyle can "look great when given a bit of space but has always struggled in games with tighter defences". How is he going to improve in this regard playing club football? Personally, I think he is worth persevering with but, it looks like Mickey doesn't. Assuming it was Mickey's decision to drop him from the panel, then that's his prerogative as he sees much more of him than me, so that's fair enough I suppose.
Time will tell, but I think its time we were all a bit praiseworthy of the management this year. Some of the younger players and those who were playing beneath themselves to date have made strides so Im happy. Lets not doubt progress but encourage it ye miserable hoors. Long way to go and of course Coney leaving is disappointing. Am I wrong or have Carmen no representation this year now? Coalisland? Errigal just 2. The face of Tyrone football is changing...Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.
Agreed, also he's not banished from IC football either. Look at McKenna, thrust into IC too early, didn't preform and was tactfully let go on good terms and welcomed back into the fold when he got up to pace again. I'd rather Coney goes out with Ardboe for a while, clears the injuries, defines his role on the pitch and comes back. For all we know he could be well relieved of being rid the commitment of IC football for a while. I can't imagine it's a whole lot of fun hanging around the edges of an high profile but unsuccessful panel for a few years considering how draining it must be on your time. When you look at the time and physical commitment Mattie and McCurry put into becoming first team players it's no wonder not every man is lining up to do it. It's not just enough to be talented anymore, you have to be a professional athlete without getting paid, that's the level Mayo and particularly Dublin have taken it too.
Much as I like Niall McKenna and was impressed by him on Saturday night, I think its still a bit early to be lauding, as a success, his comeback to the county scene after one good performance in the McKenna Cup. Is this the blue print for the future? Do other counties use this strategy with their best young players? Playing in the stop, start nature of club football in Tyrone will not necessarily help improve Kyle Coney's game. As Redhand Santa suggested, Kyle can "look great when given a bit of space but has always struggled in games with tighter defences". How is he going to improve in this regard playing club football? Personally, I think he is worth persevering with but, it looks like Mickey doesn't. Assuming it was Mickey's decision to drop him from the panel, then that's his prerogative as he sees much more of him than me, so that's fair enough I suppose.
He's quite a similar player to suckie bell in Derry. Very good in their comfort zone of club football but haven't proved they have the mental strength to make the step up to county football. They both have a chance yet to make it but i have my doubts on both.
Exactly. When players who aren't big favourites of the manager get the odd start they are looking over their shoulder for every minute they are on the pitch, and to remain on the pitch or get a start the next day they have to come up with a spectacular performance when in reality the odds on that performance happening are greatly reduced due to their lack of a consistent run and the obvious confidence that would be built with that. There are some players in the panel who seem to get start after start irrelevant of performance, pretty unfair that others don't get the same chance. Coney has struggled against tight defences and doesn't seem to have much ball running ability/pace, but in saying that there aren't any inter county forwards who thrive against the modern day tight defence.
Dermy Carlin looks a cert to go. Joe needs a bit of extra training to get in shape, wouldn't discount him just yet. Maybe its the kick up the ass Kyle Coney needs to give him a year out. As for Mark Donnelly I think theres worse.
Kyle Coney's senior career has been so stop and start that I think a year out would be the end rather than a kick up the ass. Have to say I am disappointed that he has been cut from the panel, such a talented minor and has on occasion shown glimpses at senior level. I would have loved to have seem him get a proper run of games in the forward line to see what he could do. Fair enough if he failed to kick on then let him go. Injuries have been an issue but I think the lack of that series of starts has also hindered him.
Raymie Mulgrew had a similar experience and we are now in danger of failing to find a place in the senior team for the outstanding individual talent of the 2008 minor team just as we did with Mulgrew from the 2004 team. I'm not suggesting at all that management is entirely to blame and of course great minors don't always become great seniors but Tyrone can ill afford to miss out on talents like these.
I would like to think Joe will be back before the season is out. Not too bothered about the others, good players and in the case of Carlin and Donnelly very good servants but I think we're better off giving the chance to younger players.
Very good point - I feel sorry for Coney and a few others who never seem to get a run of games that are afforded to other players. The likes of Coney, McAliskey, Niall McKenna, Rony O'Neill should be told you have 3 or 4 games whereby you will start, not be taken off unless injured and let us see what you can do - after that then we can make a fair judgement. It is difficult enough to hold a place on the Tyrone team without the fear that you will be first man off or you are looking towards MH all game to see if anyone is coming on...
Give these lads a fair crack at the whip and then they can have no complaints...
Exactly. When players who aren't big favourites of the manager get the odd start they are looking over their shoulder for every minute they are on the pitch, and to remain on the pitch or get a start the next day they have to come up with a spectacular performance when in reality the odds on that performance happening are greatly reduced due to their lack of a consistent run and the obvious confidence that would be built with that. There are some players in the panel who seem to get start after start irrelevant of performance, pretty unfair that others don't get the same chance. Coney has struggled against tight defences and doesn't seem to have much ball running ability/pace, but in saying that there aren't any inter county forwards who thrive against the modern day tight defence.
Awful awful stuff tonight. Played some decent stuff in first 15 or 20 minutes but after that they couldn't have played in any worse. I have no problem with us getting beat by a better team when we at least make a go if it. This tyrone team just seems to have too many players that don't have the balls for the battle. It's been the same at u21 level with good minors not stepping up at all. Harte would be an easy target but the players have to take a large portion of the blame too.one game into the league and we are ripping into harte and players already. Let's give it a few games folks.
If this was a one off performance and you thought Harte wasn't bothered with little emphasis on the league it would be ok but it's happened to many times in recent games and we do care about the league. Kerry last year, Armagh last year etc, to many shocking performances with boys disappearing once it's put up to them.
I thought we were going to put last years poor performances and after the hurt from it that lot of the younger boys would look hard at themselves and push on this year. Was no encouraging signs. McKenna cup looks like another false dawn with the team quitting once intensity levels raised.
I really hope this is the last time we perform like that last year but very worried it's not. We couldn't win a ball in the middle and win no breaks. We seem to work on smart kickouts with no emphasis on the basics of winning hard dirty ball around the middle.
Awful awful stuff tonight. Played some decent stuff in first 15 or 20 minutes but after that they couldn't have played in any worse. I have no problem with us getting beat by a better team when we at least make a go if it. This tyrone team just seems to have too many players that don't have the balls for the battle. It's been the same at u21 level with good minors not stepping up at all. Harte would be an easy target but the players have to take a large portion of the blame too.one game into the league and we are ripping into harte and players already. Let's give it a few games folks.
If this was a one off performance and you thought Harte wasn't bothered with little emphasis on the league it would be ok but it's happened to many times in recent games and we do care about the league. Kerry last year, Armagh last year etc, to many shocking performances with boys disappearing once it's put up to them.
I thought we were going to put last years poor performances and after the hurt from it that lot of the younger boys would look hard at themselves and push on this year. Was no encouraging signs. McKenna cup looks like another false dawn with the team quitting once intensity levels raised.
I really hope this is the last time we perform like that last year but very worried it's not. We couldn't win a ball in the middle and win no breaks. We seem to work on smart kickouts with no emphasis on the basics of winning hard dirty ball around the middle.
Personally, i agree aswell in that this has been going on for a few years atleast 2 or 3, and that a change in management is needed at the end of this season.
Also have to agree with an earlier comment regarding how good of a coach Ryan Porter is, and from a few elder dromore men i know they couldnt speak any higher of the man. Harte was stupid not to approach porter and make him part of his team years ago considering the knowledge he has of tyrone football along with his great coaching skills.
Could anyone see malachy o'rouke and ryan porter being tyrone manager and trainer in next few years? even enxt year?
Is Porter originally from Dromore?
Well summed up http://www.newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/77315/2/Tyrone_in_the_dark
Porter is from Omagh
Is Porter originally from Dromore?
no doubt about it id say your a typical omagh man.go to the county games but club football not a clue.
Is Porter originally from Dromore?
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.
Its Harte that should be told to get lost.
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.Rothschild Television Eireann should be boycotted by all Irish people. Its the BBC in a skirt. Taking a side the shameful treatment of Michaela. I remember R.T.E. had the "voice over" Sinn Fein well before the six County media.
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.Rothschild Television Eireann should be boycotted by all Irish people. Its the BBC in a skirt. Taking a side the shameful treatment of Michaela. I remember R.T.E. had the "voice over" Sinn Fein well before the six County media.
Can we keep this inhouse lads.
Can we keep this inhouse lads.
Let's sack him and burn him at the stake for being forcefully passionate about an issue that's intertwined with the death of his daughter. Sad ba$tard$ yous are. Sure Micky's a stubborn man but my god can you not put yourself in his shoes on this issue. Maybe you would not act the same way but I know some would here considering the grudges you hold against county board officials, etc. Mrs Jordans more than fit enough to battle her corner on this, would you say it if it was McLaughlin he said it to? I doubt it. Just because she's a female doesn't change a thing.
Anyone know what was said exactly?
Would it not have been agreed before hand?
Mickey not for budging on the RTE issue and it seems the players are backing his stance.
if he starts talking to his own players that would be a start. should show some respect for the chairwoman. she's a dam sight better than what went before as we know. he wont say sorry and he wont admit that hes wrong about dragging the players into it. our fella coney would still be about if he talked to him. its all going to end in tears and hes gona drag everyone down with him.
if he starts talking to his own players that would be a start. should show some respect for the chairwoman. she's a dam sight better than what went before as we know. he wont say sorry and he wont admit that hes wrong about dragging the players into it. our fella coney would still be about if he talked to him. its all going to end in tears and hes gona drag everyone down with him.
Bo man no surprise you only appears when theres a chance to put the foot into mickey. We all prob want a change but it wont happen to end of the season at least. You couldn't wait to get the dig into Ciaran McLaughlin either. Just because he didn't bow down to ardboe doesn't make him any less of a man. As for coney (who I think as massive potential and will be grt player for tyrone hopefully) he made the desicision himself to go in and get changed and leave early after that game. When a player does that theres only gona be one outcome.
It is sad that this is the way Mickey Harte is going to bow out of his managerial career with Tyrone whether at the end of the year or during it.
I have heard many stories about Mickey from when he was a player, to when he was with Glencull to when he was minor and then senior manager
Of course lots of pieces of the stories you have to wonder how true they are but there always seems to be a common thread of Mickey's way or nothing.
I think what RTE did to Mickey about Michaela was very very low and I don't know did they ever issue an apology or not so I was on Mickey's side when he made a stand with them. Especially how people like Brolly, Spillane and others often portray Tyrone over the last 10 years you can see why we would have issues with RTE here and there. The media however has a huge influence over the people's perceptions and for Tyrone squad not allowing to speak out and put their opinions forward with RTE I think is a huge disadvantage
For Mickey to DICTATE this to his players and now to his chairperson I think is a step too far.
It reminds me too much of the Roy Keane style of FEAR management that do what you want lads but remember I am the boss.
Whatever way Mickey leaves this year it will be with a lot of annoyed and disappointed people in his wake.
The lack of respect he has shown to our new chairperson very much goes against the whole image of what lots of people think he is really like.
All this is just my opinion folks and is not a FACT so don't shoot me for having an opinion. I hope Sat night doesn't see fans shouting at Mickey and giving him a hard time if we lose.
RTE did not do anything regarding Michaela.. they were slagging Mickey for trying to dictate to them which commentator to use ie: Brian Carthy. Was ill thought out at the time and they have apologised but now we are in realms of vindictiveness from Tyrone...
Idea of 'loyalty' kind of goes out the window when you consider players retire and then go on RTE.. indicates was pressure to not speak.
RTE did not do anything regarding Michaela.. they were slagging Mickey for trying to dictate to them which commentator to use ie: Brian Carthy. Was ill thought out at the time and they have apologised but now we are in realms of vindictiveness from Tyrone...
I actually only heard the RTE piece this morning for the first time - was very tongue in cheek and maybe the insensitivity comes more from exceptionally bad timing. But I totally get why MH is offended....its only natural given what he had to go through at the time
Mickey, brian cody, justin mcnulty and a bunch of other managers had sent a 4 page letter to RTE questioning why they had not replaced Micheal O 'M with Brain Carthy - and in fairness to RTE, its nobody else business how they do what they do and they will hardly ever take direction from a bunch of football managers...media in general were also questioning Mickey being a PR outlet for anti-abortion and Sean Quinn, which would not have sat well with the Dublin middle classes...
And now its just a mess that Tyrone have no access to the national broadcaster - how did that ever happen?
could we not have an actor saying the words
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.Rothschild Television Eireann should be boycotted by all Irish people. Its the BBC in a skirt. Taking a side the shameful treatment of Michaela. I remember R.T.E. had the "voice over" Sinn Fein well before the six County media.
County board suffering financially at the hands of harte. The man who speaks to everyone else except players and rte.
It's a tough one. Everyone understands Mickey's stance. But just as everyone in RTE didn't sanction that piece, not everyone should shun them.fcuk them.
According to reliable sources, Roisin Jordan and Mickey Harte ended up having an aggressive argument with each other at the County Management meeting on Tuesday. Apparently others had to literally stand between them.
The CB needs to put it's foot down and get rid of MH is he doesn't play ball. They should be in control not him.
Idea of 'loyalty' kind of goes out the window when you consider players retire and then go on RTE.. indicates was pressure to not speak.
Never has a post game been so crucial or interesting for a county.
If no one talks after Dublin game is MH position in doubt given that Sponsorship could be withdrawn?
Has to be McAleer & Rushe surely?Never has a post game been so crucial or interesting for a county.
If no one talks after Dublin game is MH position in doubt given that Sponsorship could be withdrawn?
Which sponsor?
Never has a post game been so crucial or interesting for a county.
If no one talks after Dublin game is MH position in doubt given that Sponsorship could be withdrawn?
Which sponsor?
EDIT: Just seen this. http://gaeliclife.com/2015/03/tyrones-rte-stand-off-set-to-continue/
Would seem strange that McAleer & Rushe were not aware of Mickeys stance when signing up. Or were they told something else in private?
Given their business I had assumed they were primarily sponsoring the team to support the County rather than for the the advertising.
With sponsors like KerryGold, Arnotts, Supermacs, Rocwell, Hunky Dorys it is about getting the brand recognition. I would have bought a bag of Hunky Dorys and a bottle of Rocwell ahead of a bag of Tayto and a bottle of Tipperary Sping water.
No one watching TSG thinks "I must get them boys to build me a hotel"
Mickey says the players are free to speak to RTE. Sean Cavanagh, as captain & a fella slandered by RTE himself in the Brolly debacle, should throw them a few words on Saturday night & it'll be forgotten about soon after. Sure I could tell ye Seans interview here & now anyway - he's been giving the same clichéd answers since 2001.
Sean is too important a player for MH to drop, and sure anyway Mickey is in his last few months of the job. He will be gone by the end of July.
Mickey says the players are free to speak to RTE. Sean Cavanagh, as captain & a fella slandered by RTE himself in the Brolly debacle, should throw them a few words on Saturday night & it'll be forgotten about soon after. Sure I could tell ye Seans interview here & now anyway - he's been giving the same clichéd answers since 2001.
Sean is too important a player for MH to drop, and sure anyway Mickey is in his last few months of the job. He will be gone by the end of July.
What has changed with RTE that now merits Mickey Harte or the Tyrone County Board to change their stance. From memory the Tyrone PRO has repeatedly berated RTE for their handling of all coverage of Tyrone County and Club football. What have RTE done in the last 6 months to bring about a change of policy from MH or Tyrone GAA? RTE are bullies and expect everyone to bow down to their demands. What respect does an organisation that peddles nothing but bile about our wonderful game deserve. Do any of you actually listen to what RTE say about Gaelic Football (and 6 county football in particular)? Its nothing but biased, uninformed, sensationalist hyperbole. What they say about amateur players, managers and officials while sitting in their Ivory studios (and getting well paid) is a disgrace. The GAA should take a leaf out of MHs book and stand up to RTE. Money is the real issue here. The speculation about a pissed off sponsor is being used to have another go at MH. That is shameful. Do real Gales really believe that his relationship with RTE should sully the reputation of one of the greatest GAA men Tyrone has ever produced???
RTE over Mickey Harte.....are you for real!!!????
What has changed with RTE that now merits Mickey Harte or the Tyrone County Board to change their stance. From memory the Tyrone PRO has repeatedly berated RTE for their handling of all coverage of Tyrone County and Club football. What have RTE done in the last 6 months to bring about a change of policy from MH or Tyrone GAA? RTE are bullies and expect everyone to bow down to their demands. What respect does an organisation that peddles nothing but bile about our wonderful game deserve. Do any of you actually listen to what RTE say about Gaelic Football (and 6 county football in particular)? Its nothing but biased, uninformed, sensationalist hyperbole. What they say about amateur players, managers and officials while sitting in their Ivory studios (and getting well paid) is a disgrace. The GAA should take a leaf out of MHs book and stand up to RTE. Money is the real issue here. The speculation about a pissed off sponsor is being used to have another go at MH. That is shameful. Do real Gales really believe that his relationship with RTE should sully the reputation of one of the greatest GAA men Tyrone has ever produced???
RTE over Mickey Harte.....are you for real!!!????
Never has a post game been so crucial or interesting for a county.
If no one talks after Dublin game is MH position in doubt given that Sponsorship could be withdrawn?
Which sponsor?
EDIT: Just seen this. http://gaeliclife.com/2015/03/tyrones-rte-stand-off-set-to-continue/
Would seem strange that McAleer & Rushe were not aware of Mickeys stance when signing up. Or were they told something else in private?
Given their business I had assumed they were primarily sponsoring the team to support the County rather than for the the advertising.
With sponsors like KerryGold, Arnotts, Supermacs, Rocwell, Hunky Dorys it is about getting the brand recognition. I would have bought a bag of Hunky Dorys and a bottle of Rocwell ahead of a bag of Tayto and a bottle of Tipperary Sping water.
No one watching TSG thinks "I must get them boys to build me a hotel"
A fairly significant package from McAleer and Rushe and a serious intent to continue support over the next few years - all agreed in october last year with the caveat that TYRONE COMMUNICATED with ALL media...THAT meant "anyone or someone" speaking to RTE - not Harte - and it was agreed by the county board that all would be ok....also quoted in the irish news about 6 weeks ago as the same
When I heard the news on this and I got it in quite good detail from a good source I was totally shocked and thought that is the straw that broke the back and maybe the whole thing was even expected to happen and Ms Jordan was brought on board with maybe even this in mind that it would come to her having to intervene. Only my own viewpoint
I heard another story about how Harte treated an ex player recently and was totally shocked that that too.
So I expected the board this week to be totally disgusted with Harte and there is no way for him to continue now but alas there are still a few who think this is only about him not talking to RTE. Its goes a lot deeper than that and a lot further back than that.
Mickey has always been used to getting things his own way and even when he makes a mistake he's not the type to say sorry or I was wrong there IMHO.
He has stood on a lot of toes over the years and I think NaomhBridAbú sums it up very well in his bullet points. HUGE lack of respect for other people's opinions.
Fair play to Roisin Jordan for standing up to him and I'd love to have been a fly on the wall at that CB meeting this week.
Harte got criticised last year for playing so many players so he can't really win. Peter Hughes started a good few McKenna cup games and first day of leagues so has got games. Emmet McKenna started loads last year including a few championship games. Opportunities limited this year but has never taken his chances .
Oneill is a good keeper but probably not as good a a Morgan. Plenty of keepers up and down country have to accept being the number 2. Hopefully he does push on and challenge Morgan over next few years.
Harte got criticised last year for playing so many players so he can't really win. Peter Hughes started a good few McKenna cup games and first day of leagues so has got games. Emmet McKenna started loads last year including a few championship games. Opportunities limited this year but has never taken his chances .
Oneill is a good keeper but probably not as good a a Morgan. Plenty of keepers up and down country have to accept being the number 2. Hopefully he does push on and challenge Morgan over next few years.
It's debatable that Morgan is even the "Best" keeper in Edendork!!!
O'Neill a far better shot stopper, stays between the posts where he is supposed to, accurate kick outs and from what I hear, performing better at training. I myself am surprised he is still hangin around, considering MH has always rotated his keepers until this years League
Anyone got any idea of the starting under 21 team for Wednesday night. Apparently the county board have thrown a lot of support into the campaign
There are some exceptions but a lot of the time rte only show highlights of games that have been on Setanta or tg4 at the weekend and don't bother with the league. So I don't think them not sending cameras was anything to do with Harte but more there indifference to the gaa from October to May.
Positives and negatives from yesterday. Thought we put in a really good first half and worked hard and as a team throughout. We did run totally out of steam with 15 to go. The game plan on that omagh pitch obviously had a big impact. It is only match and no one would want to team to peak yet so hopefully there will be a bit more in the tank come championship.
The two areas that require most work are scoring and breaking ball. We're missing to many frees and dropping to many short from open play. We really need cavanagh Donnelly and Harte go start getting more on the score board. Mcaliskey was excellent in the first half yesterday but doesn't have the engine for the current game plan. He either needs to be excused of tracking back so far out the pitch or used as an impact sub with 30 to go.
Breaking ball from kickouts has to be a priority and has been an issue for at least 3 years. We aren't getting in positions to win breaking ball. Teams push up on our kickouts and we end up kicking to an isolated player with 3 or 4 opposition around them. We need to get back to basics and get more men around the ball.
Overall plenty to work on but I do think we're going to right road and our a lot further ahead with a settled team and plan.
There are some exceptions but a lot of the time rte only show highlights of games that have been on Setanta or tg4 at the weekend and don't bother with the league. So I don't think them not sending cameras was anything to do with Harte but more there indifference to the gaa from October to May.
Positives and negatives from yesterday. Thought we put in a really good first half and worked hard and as a team throughout. We did run totally out of steam with 15 to go. The game plan on that omagh pitch obviously had a big impact. It is only match and no one would want to team to peak yet so hopefully there will be a bit more in the tank come championship.
The two areas that require most work are scoring and breaking ball. We're missing to many frees and dropping to many short from open play. We really need cavanagh Donnelly and Harte go start getting more on the score board. Mcaliskey was excellent in the first half yesterday but doesn't have the engine for the current game plan. He either needs to be excused of tracking back so far out the pitch or used as an impact sub with 30 to go.
Breaking ball from kickouts has to be a priority and has been an issue for at least 3 years. We aren't getting in positions to win breaking ball. Teams push up on our kickouts and we end up kicking to an isolated player with 3 or 4 opposition around them. We need to get back to basics and get more men around the ball.
Overall plenty to work on but I do think we're going to right road and our a lot further ahead with a settled team and plan.
How did morgan play. Few reckon mickey oneill should get a go. Were the frees missed long way out. Didn't get but to match cork indeed lead for most of the game would indicate we not far of the top table. next 3 games I suppose will tell us more. Looking forward to wed night. Fermanagh normally not upto much but this is the same group that won the mcrory a few years ago. They could be dangerous but id like to think wed be tuned into that. il have a stab at the team.Only a guess.
1 fox- killyclogher
2 r mullen - Carmen?
3 r brennan-trillick
4 r Kelly-trillick
5 k mcgeary-pomeroy
6 m Cassidy-ardboe
7 p McKenna-donghamore
8 c mcshane -roes
9 maculey Quinn-stewardstown
10 f bruns-pomeroy
11 m Kavanagh-errigal
12 r mcglone-agahloo
13 l brennan-trillick
14 r sludden-dromore
15 m Bradley-kllyclogher
I wont b watching Pete closely, nothing to watch. Great great player who isnt going to cut it in management. Took Errigal to nothing, mc guckian comes in and wins a championship, takes fermanagh, totally crap, look what Mc Grath is now doing. Won a championship with Cavan gaels is like winning a championship with st galls in Antrim i.e. Anyone could do it
Looks like Mc Grath is taking Fermanagh into division two, never those All Ireland's he has won at Sen and minor county football.
Total Bullshit. Nearly every Fermanagh player will credit PTG for taking them on miles even if it didn't result in silverware. Set the foundations for next man in PMG who is also a serious operator. But for Man Marker to say PTG won't cut it at management level is laughable. Is he going to put his credentials out there? LOL.
All im sayin fermgael is if tyrone player couldnt play his best football for canavan there would be somrthing wrong with him. Hes a walking legend down here. Good luck in the year ahead. Tipping yous to get to the ulster final
Yeah agree hes a not a top manager and mightn be. Time will tell. Any team he has went to has improved from him being there thats for sure.Fermgael you better not boo him tomorrow night, he only took about 120g of yous over 2yrs >:(
Made the journey to Ballybofey yesterday, bleak situation Mickey finds himself in with only a few short weeks to revisiting Donegal on the same sod again. Hard to envisage the tables getting turned with a Tyrone win in May. On the face of things it seemed we lacked any type of strategy, at best it was haphazzard. There seemed no plan on how to break down the 15 man Donegal blockade, certainly nothing new about Donegals game plan in last 4 years. Our counter attack lacked pace, precision and cutting edge, it was laboured, predictable and Donegal could easily choke our attack to death. 70-80% of Donegal scores came from over-turned ball on a Tyrone attack. We seemed extremely weak in the tackle and certainly there appeared no spear head for our forward attack. The forward fist pass process to the full forwards wasnt possible against the Donegal defensive blockade. It would have taken a sonar device on the ball to make its way into them. I wonder if Tyrone would have opted for some height within their Full Forward line and test an 'isolated' Donegal full back line, by whipping quick and fast high diagonal ball into the scoring zone on the counter attack, it might have yielded something, at a minimum the high ball would have cut out at least 12 defenders if nothing else. Mickey and his back room staff find themselves again in dark waters, I sincerely hope he can turn this one around as it will be extremely hard to stomach another defeat to Donegal in Ballybofey in a few weeks time.
yeah it wasn't good, reminded me of the monaghan game. we recovered after that so the Kerry game should be a great battle. I wouldn't totally write the team of yet. if Kerry beat us by 10/11 points next week then I would be worried. they were very well organised and are near experts at this defenisive game. they continually fouled/stopped tyrone out the field in second half when we had the wind, and stopped the man taking a quick free until they got organised, whether it was by holding onto the mans hand after the whistle was blew or simply tapping the ball away a few yards, it all helps.id say they are the most cynical team ive seen.mcquillan never caught onto any of this but in fairness u need help from linesmen and umpires which never happened. even a man taking a free for a score they were roaring at him as he was takin the free which def isn't allowed. to put matty in fullforward in the second half just didn't work. ronan oneill should have stayed on, maybe he was injured. im sure he would have kicked a few in the second half. justy was the only player that came out of it with any credit. McCarron tried hard as did McNamee. at least the lads know nothing but a 9/10 performance from them all in 8 weeks time will get us over the line.
Will we do away with the blanket for the champ match. I think we should. Go man to man and push up on them up the field. It will take a furious workrate by the forwards and if we can get ahead of them early on they will have to come out and attack. Your only playing into donegals hands by playing a defensive game in ballybofey
Agree 100% with you Redhand on the refereering aspect to yesterdays game, the problem with this lies with the inconsistency of refereering. What is a tackle and what is not a tackle? Each referee has completely different interuption to a tackle. How is this then coached technically by trainers/coaches? Its outside the control of players and Management. Without question, Tyrone full back line has been extremely consistent in this league campaign and I have been impressed by McNamee, McCrory and McCarron over the games. You correctly point out the cuteness of Donegal, but on the flip side of that, Tyrone should be well aware of these small areas of Donegals game and by now we should be trying to counter act these in some shape or form. As mad a suggestion it might be but is it time to move away from the skin tight tops and back to older more loose styled top to accentuate the quick pull back by opponents that now goes un-noticed, unbooked? Michael Murphys frees again could be looked at, would there be any possibility of putting him off his stride? I did notice (I stand corrected if wrong) that Michael Murphy kicked a free wide in the second half, third quarter, but seconds before his kick Peter Harte walked across the path of the ball (intentionally or not, I'm unsure). Two years ago Donegal focused on Morgans kicks, this year Tyrone need to be coming with new ideas, new forward thinking strategies to counter act Donegals strong points. It will be difficult in Ballybofey at the best of times, but a no show would be unbearable. It will be a great battle in Healy Park come Sunday another massive yardstick for Tyrone to measure against the 2014 All Ireland Champions.
Agree 100% with you Redhand on the refereering aspect to yesterdays game, the problem with this lies with the inconsistency of refereering. What is a tackle and what is not a tackle? Each referee has completely different interuption to a tackle. How is this then coached technically by trainers/coaches? Its outside the control of players and Management. Without question, Tyrone full back line has been extremely consistent in this league campaign and I have been impressed by McNamee, McCrory and McCarron over the games. You correctly point out the cuteness of Donegal, but on the flip side of that, Tyrone should be well aware of these small areas of Donegals game and by now we should be trying to counter act these in some shape or form. As mad a suggestion it might be but is it time to move away from the skin tight tops and back to older more loose styled top to accentuate the quick pull back by opponents that now goes un-noticed, unbooked? Michael Murphys frees again could be looked at, would there be any possibility of putting him off his stride? I did notice (I stand corrected if wrong) that Michael Murphy kicked a free wide in the second half, third quarter, but seconds before his kick Peter Harte walked across the path of the ball (intentionally or not, I'm unsure). Two years ago Donegal focused on Morgans kicks, this year Tyrone need to be coming with new ideas, new forward thinking strategies to counter act Donegals strong points. It will be difficult in Ballybofey at the best of times, but a no show would be unbearable. It will be a great battle in Healy Park come Sunday another massive yardstick for Tyrone to measure against the 2014 All Ireland Champions.
That's actually a good point re the jersies.
my team for Donegal SFC, Ballybofey
Keeper - Morgan
Full Back line -McCarron, Justin, McNamee
Zonal defence (8men) Harte, McAliskey, McCurry, M. Bradley, Joe McMahon, M Donnelly, K Coney, R O'Neill
Forwards - Sean, Colm & Clarke
my team for Donegal SFC, Ballybofey
Keeper - Morgan
Full Back line -McCarron, Justin, McNamee
Zonal defence (8men) Harte, McAliskey, McCurry, M. Bradley, Joe McMahon, M Donnelly, K Coney, R O'Neill
Forwards - Sean, Colm & Clarke
God14 - do you know something the rest of us don't..? K.Coney and M.Donnelly aren't even on the panel so unless they are back or due to be invited back they will not feature v Donegal....
my team for Donegal SFC, Ballybofey
Keeper - Morgan
Full Back line -McCarron, Justin, McNamee
Zonal defence (8men) Harte, McAliskey, McCurry, M. Bradley, Joe McMahon, M Donnelly, K Coney, R O'Neill
Forwards - Sean, Colm & Clarke
God14 - do you know something the rest of us don't..? K.Coney and M.Donnelly aren't even on the panel so unless they are back or due to be invited back they will not feature v Donegal....
Mattie Donnelly is on the Panel. & Kyle Coney should be also. As I said it was "my team" for Donegal id be entitled to put whoever I liked on it.
How is Joe McMahon getting on with his studies, I'm wondering if he is worth carrying on the panel for the Donegal game, he's a guy that brings immense experience and 'grit' and goes without saying, he's a leader. I'm wondering if Gavin Devlin could bring Kyle Coney back into the fray? There is certainly a argument for him to be 'coaxed' back to county football. Management must be considering every possibility since Sunday last. Niall McKenna is another option that might or could be worked on.
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them
Yeah, go ahead and enlighten us how sitting on a bench all season, playing max of 60 mins and then missing 5 starred games with the club will help you develop as a player. Answers on a stamp.
Ricey is the subject on Laochra Gael next Tuesday night 8pm TnaG
Ricey is the subject on Laochra Gael next Tuesday night 8pm TnaG
The show is set to last an extra 45 minutes than normal due to all his stuttering and stammering whenever he was asked a question.
With the recent departures of lads from the Tyrone panel what is now the panel count? Is there 30 plus players readily available? You would need 30 plus players to be able to play in house games for the next six weeks in preparation of the Donegal game.
what a disgusting comment max payne go and get yourself versed in how a stammer or speech impediment can affect people or better still dont comment
Ricey is the subject on Laochra Gael next Tuesday night 8pm TnaG
The show is set to last an extra 45 minutes than normal due to all his stuttering and stammering whenever he was asked a question.
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them
Yeah, go ahead and enlighten us how sitting on a bench all season, playing max of 60 mins and then missing 5 starred games with the club will help you develop as a player. Answers on a stamp.
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them
That's a lot of forwards we have lost from last years panel. Off the top of my head...
Stephen O'Neill
Martin Penrose
Mark Donnelly
Emmet McKenna
Ciaran McGinley
Shea McGuigan
Paddy McNiece
Kyle Coney
We are only an injury or two away from a crisis.
Youd imagine the management would be taking a serious look at Dan McNulty. He offers something completely different to our prototype small nippy forwards. He has struggled with injuries in recent times but the talent & athleticism is clear for all to see. If he could avoid injury he would be the one that I could see making the step up this year.
Wait until next year when minors are stopped from playing for their clubs. If you are 17/18 and not starting for the minor county you will pull out. This will affect every county.
In Tyrone the starred fixtures will be scrapped this year. Some pressure on the remaining fringe players to pull the plug.
Lads I think you will find that Joe McMahon has never been away from the panel and has been training all along..there has been some flexibility with him missing sessions but he has always been part of the squad.
Whats the big deal lads, the Clonoe lads chose their club over their county, so what. I think its great. Its even better that its annoying a few numptys on here that wouldnt watch a club game on a Sunday but would travel the length and bredth of the country following the county. Priorites are correct in Clonoe as far as im concerned.
Whats the big deal lads, the Clonoe lads chose their club over their county, so what. I think its great. Its even better that its annoying a few numptys on here that wouldnt watch a club game on a Sunday but would travel the length and bredth of the country following the county. Priorites are correct in Clonoe as far as im concerned.
But there wasn't a choice between club and county. The players would still have been available for every key club game and at the same time been given the opportunity to compete and play at the highest level.
Plenty of players have played for Tyrone and had successful club careers, look at gormley canavan etc. errigal ciaran have never had an issue with their players playing for Tyrone and they're the only club that do well in ulster.
Also do you follow people on the board around to know what games they attend?
It is sad that these players have left the county panel. There is something inherently wrong with the system when Tyrone people don't want Tyrone to be successful or don't want the best players to make themselves available for the county team. I have no idea how this problem could be solved but it is true that lots of club players would prefer for Tyrone to lose so that any players they might have on the county panel could return to the club.
People on here are saying that county players only miss 5 starred games a year and that this isn't a lot. The starred games are not the issue !! The real issue is that with club championship only 7 weeks away these players will not be available to take part in a training session with their clubs until one week before the biggest game of the club season. The sudden death nature of the championship here is without doubt playing a huge part in these defections. I'm not saying this is fair or otherwise, I just saying this is the main stumbling block. (Clonoe and Carmen must be favourites now... if they weren't already).
I see calls for Meyler to be called up to the county panel. Would that make Omaghs county contingent 7!!! That couldn't be good for their preparations. But at least they aren't putting their players under any undue pressure
ah I forgot conan grugan wasn't there any moreIt is sad that these players have left the county panel. There is something inherently wrong with the system when Tyrone people don't want Tyrone to be successful or don't want the best players to make themselves available for the county team. I have no idea how this problem could be solved but it is true that lots of club players would prefer for Tyrone to lose so that any players they might have on the county panel could return to the club.
People on here are saying that county players only miss 5 starred games a year and that this isn't a lot. The starred games are not the issue !! The real issue is that with club championship only 7 weeks away these players will not be available to take part in a training session with their clubs until one week before the biggest game of the club season. The sudden death nature of the championship here is without doubt playing a huge part in these defections. I'm not saying this is fair or otherwise, I just saying this is the main stumbling block. (Clonoe and Carmen must be favourites now... if they weren't already).
I see calls for Meyler to be called up to the county panel. Would that make Omaghs county contingent 7!!! That couldn't be good for their preparations. But at least they aren't putting their players under any undue pressure
Seven?
Who am I missing? 2 Mcmahons, Clarke, Oneill,Tierney, Meyler potentially.
Who's the other?
Could be a short year for the clonoe lads who left the panel.if there are beat in the champ bythe island and the league being not good enough for them what will they do all summer. ;)
Whats the big deal lads, the Clonoe lads chose their club over their county, so what. I think its great. Its even better that its annoying a few numptys on here that wouldnt watch a club game on a Sunday but would travel the length and bredth of the country following the county. Priorites are correct in Clonoe as far as im concerned.
But there wasn't a choice between club and county. The players would still have been available for every key club game and at the same time been given the opportunity to compete and play at the highest level.
Plenty of players have played for Tyrone and had successful club careers, look at gormley canavan etc. errigal ciaran have never had an issue with their players playing for Tyrone and they're the only club that do well in ulster.
Also do you follow people on the board around to know what games they attend?
My view would be that none of the lads are a huge loss but it does suggest to me that something is not quite right within the camp. If the lads have been harbouring these thoughts in the dressing room then they are better off leaving. Hopefully, we can replace them with potential from the U21 squad who will have a winning mentality and will freshen up things.
Yeah it will be great when Tyrone are out of everything and we can squabble over an O'Neill cup and then get laughed at in the Ulster Club as usual!
That will be great for Tyrone football alright.
My view would be that none of the lads are a huge loss but it does suggest to me that something is not quite right within the camp. If the lads have been harbouring these thoughts in the dressing room then they are better off leaving. Hopefully, we can replace them with potential from the U21 squad who will have a winning mentality and will freshen up things.
With the news that the U21s are now screwing over Club seasons, it's almost got to the stage that I hope Tyrone are dumped out of everything early to allow Club seasons to progress properly. It's getting more and more like Clubs v County as opposed to Club and County.
My view would be that none of the lads are a huge loss but it does suggest to me that something is not quite right within the camp. If the lads have been harbouring these thoughts in the dressing room then they are better off leaving. Hopefully, we can replace them with potential from the U21 squad who will have a winning mentality and will freshen up things.
With the news that the U21s are now screwing over Club seasons, it's almost got to the stage that I hope Tyrone are dumped out of everything early to allow Club seasons to progress properly. It's getting more and more like Clubs v County as opposed to Club and County.
Ah come on Ffs, the semi final is next weekend, calm down, it's 7 days away, its hardly screwing over the club season. For the past 9 years the u21 team has had no impact on club football, relax!
In Kerry the league would run on regardless and the u21s would likely play away. There'd certainly have been no email sent out the night before the league games telling the clubs who they were permitted to play.
The needs of the majority need to outweigh the needs of the few. 99% of players in Tyrone have been ruled by the needs of the elite 1% for years now and I'm glad it's swinging back the other way a small bit.
Sam03/05 - for the majority of players this is their first proper game in about 6 months-who the fcuk are you to call it a stupid fixture? You're a mouth.
Time will tell. Couldn't believe the management would attempt that. We must remember they are learning their position too, big mistake to take on the club's.
You's are wild nosey up in Screen ;)
You's are wild nosey up in Screen ;)
Takes a few days for the news to get up there too! :)
You's are wild nosey up in Screen ;)
Takes a few days for the news to get up there too! :)
More than that they take players from anywhere to get a team
Harte feels Garvaghy is too open and there are too many people around watchin them train, Clubs and club Tyrone members are now payin for Tyrone to hand over money to other clubs now like Dungannon and Drumragh last wk for there field so the county team could train on there patch..
Most clubs would see it as an honour to host their county team.Yeah but it's a pity we have nowhere central that all the county teams could use to train. If we could raise the money to build such a place I hope they build the main building so that it looks like a T from the sky. I think that would be cool
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wiseWell saying as you asked...
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wiseWell saying as you asked...
The gym at garvaghy is not fit for purpose,
There is no sports hall at the venue (Tyrone seniors go to a sports hall in Cookstown for fitness testing)
Tyrone hurlers turned up to train on the Wednesday of the 1st round of the under 21 Ulster championship and the caretaker didn't even bother to hang around to turn the lights on for them.
The site is possibly the windiest place in Tyrone.
But sure you keep telling us how well laid out the place is and how much money it is generating and the clubs will continue to pay for its upkeep and the county team will continue to look for alternative venues to train
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wise
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wise
the gym is fit for purpose. there is a second weight room which not many know about
agree on a sports hall,im sure that is on the agenda
no lights for the hurlers-sums up the attiude to hurling in the county,nobody cares about it
changing rooms are spacious and ideally set at the back of the building with each having there own entrance meaning the main bulding can be locked up early.if there were at the front there would be nothing but grass and dirt all around the place
maxi was/is training the gaels in garvaghy and u couldn't have him snooping about when tyrone are training.also im sure u would get fed up going to the same place every night so good call to train in diferent grounds in the build upto Donegal game.minors u21s seniors all have had a lot of sessions done in garvaghy already this year.it is a success and so are tyrone.
I know it's not a good idea to assume but I assume redzone means maxi curran. If that is a correct assumption then redzone is wrong again. Curran trains St Eunans not the gaels (whoever they are), but sure when most of the post is wrong why should he get that bit right.have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wise
the gym is fit for purpose. there is a second weight room which not many know about
agree on a sports hall,im sure that is on the agenda
no lights for the hurlers-sums up the attiude to hurling in the county,nobody cares about it
changing rooms are spacious and ideally set at the back of the building with each having there own entrance meaning the main bulding can be locked up early.if there were at the front there would be nothing but grass and dirt all around the place
maxi was/is training the gaels in garvaghy and u couldn't have him snooping about when tyrone are training.also im sure u would get fed up going to the same place every night so good call to train in diferent grounds in the build upto Donegal game.minors u21s seniors all have had a lot of sessions done in garvaghy already this year.it is a success and so are tyrone.
He is training which team?
By the way IMO Garvaghy is not good enough for purpose.
What is everyone's thoughts on what the line up will be this weekend?
What is everyone's thoughts on what the line up will be this weekend?
Given Mickey didn't experiment much with lineups or personnel over the course of the national league, I'd imagine there will be little surprises in the lineup.
I reckon Richie Donnelly will start in the half forwards, even though he is only in the panel a matter of weeks. Other than that I would imagine it will be pretty much the same as we have seen through the league
My guess:
M O'Neill
Mcnamee joey mccarron
Harte mcnabb mccrory
Colm justy
Mccann, Richie Don, Paud mcnulty
McCurry
Sean, matty Don
Was very worried about this game all year but conditions are nicely set for a Tyrone ambush. I think we will compete well.
A good start is critical.
I reckon Richie Donnelly will start in the half forwards, even though he is only in the panel a matter of weeks. Other than that I would imagine it will be pretty much the same as we have seen through the league
My guess:
M O'Neill
Mcnamee joey mccarron
Harte mcnabb mccrory
Colm justy
Mccann, Richie Don, Paud mcnulty
McCurry
Sean, matty Don
Was very worried about this game all year but conditions are nicely set for a Tyrone ambush. I think we will compete well.
A good start is critical.
Do you think that will be the team or hope that will be the team.
Is McGeary on the panel?
Naw same,pretty sure McNabb and Harte wont be left out and half back best position for both these players?
Brennan and McGeary bit raw yet but will def push for starting positions in the future,McGeary to be an outstanding future half back IMO and Brennan to fill in round the centre back position but needs to fill out a bit yet for senior county
Norf Tyrone, a player who transfers back to his home county (or 'first county' as the rule book states) is not subject to the same ruling as someone who leaves their home county for another. This means McCarron is able to play.
and from all those who thought it was Mickey pulling the championship forward to suit the return the silence is deafening...Norf Tyrone, a player who transfers back to his home county (or 'first county' as the rule book states) is not subject to the same ruling as someone who leaves their home county for another. This means McCarron is able to play.
Ah right. Good man. McCarron has had an impressive return.
think mickey o neill will start for morgan who remains doubtful and richard donnelly will start in place of mccann. joe will hardly start if he does that would tell me all i need to know about this current set up. sean cavnagh is a huge doubt as well. cant believe that hamsey hasnt been called up.
think mickey o neill will start for morgan who remains doubtful and richard donnelly will start in place of mccann. joe will hardly start if he does that would tell me all i need to know about this current set up. sean cavnagh is a huge doubt as well. cant believe that hamsey hasnt been called up.
I cant believe that you think tehre is ANY chance of Harte calling up Hampsey!
Hampsey will never be called up under Harte!
Previously Des Tracey was in the same boat, won All Ireland with the U21s, went on to have an incident in a match against Mark Harte and then that was it, finished top scorer in Div 1 for 3 years on the bounce and was one around the county to be one of the best club players in the county and a dead ball expert and still I dont think even got a trial!
Hampsey will never be called up under Harte!
Previously Des Tracey was in the same boat, won All Ireland with the U21s, went on to have an incident in a match against Mark Harte and then that was it, finished top scorer in Div 1 for 3 years on the bounce and was one around the county to be one of the best club players in the county and a dead ball expert and still I dont think even got a trial!
Why wouldn't Hampsey get a call up under Mickey Harte?
ach it would be a disgrace if he wasn't picking them for personal reasons yes, but at the same time there are practicalities to think of, if their relationship is totally broken down from the start and there's obviously severe discourse between hampsey and current panelists its very understandable, would just absolute recipe for disaster in the changing room, manager's job to weigh up the pros and cons and with all that's went on I'd say its fair enough decision
ach it would be a disgrace if he wasn't picking them for personal reasons yes, but at the same time there are practicalities to think of, if their relationship is totally broken down from the start and there's obviously severe discourse between hampsey and current panelists its very understandable, would just absolute recipe for disaster in the changing room, manager's job to weigh up the pros and cons and with all that's went on I'd say its fair enough decision
ach it would be a disgrace if he wasn't picking them for personal reasons yes, but at the same time there are practicalities to think of, if their relationship is totally broken down from the start and there's obviously severe discourse between hampsey and current panelists its very understandable, would just absolute recipe for disaster in the changing room, manager's job to weigh up the pros and cons and with all that's went on I'd say its fair enough decision
Like England cricket with KP I think any manager would be completely in the wrong in your instance. The best managers are able to manage that situation. When United won the treble in 1999 their forward line Cole and Sherringham weren't speaking. They never got on and at times it got heated. Ferguson, as much as it pains me, was able to manage this situation and use it as a positive driver for the team.
Cricket reference on the Tyrone Gaa county thread 8)
the last ulster championship game today for the two mickeys?
Surely Mickey can't drop O'Neill for the next game.He was excellent yesterday.
I thought there was a bit more variety and tactical than we had seen recently.
The long ball from which Colm hit the cross bar had been tried earlier with a ball dropped in on McNulty. A bit like the move for McCurrys goal it looked like something which had been worked on in training but was to be used sparingly.
TCM - I'm supportive of your point - You can refer back to a post I made after the Tyrone Donegal league game regarding a tactic that Tyrone should adopt. If they have a skilful, tall, strong full forward it could reap rewards especially against the blanket defence situation. A swift counter attack coming down the wings and launching a high diagional ball into the scoring zone would test any full back, but in particular Donegals Full Back Line. The problem being Tyrone needs Sean Cavanagh and Mattie doing the hard work in the middle third. Catch 22. As I say, we lack 1 spearhead forward. Daniel McNulty might be the makings of one. Maybe if Conor Clarke, Joe McMahon, Cathal McShane gets some more game time it could free up Sean C or Mattie D to take up a new role. Would also like to see Richard Donnelly get some game time in the qualifiers. Pity that fella Kyle Coney didnt stick with it, he might have been able to present another option. He seemed to pull the plug very early in the year when in actual fact he was on the starting team.
TCM - I'm supportive of your point - You can refer back to a post I made after the Tyrone Donegal league game regarding a tactic that Tyrone should adopt. If they have a skilful, tall, strong full forward it could reap rewards especially against the blanket defence situation. A swift counter attack coming down the wings and launching a high diagional ball into the scoring zone would test any full back, but in particular Donegals Full Back Line. The problem being Tyrone needs Sean Cavanagh and Mattie doing the hard work in the middle third. Catch 22. As I say, we lack 1 spearhead forward. Daniel McNulty might be the makings of one. Maybe if Conor Clarke, Joe McMahon, Cathal McShane gets some more game time it could free up Sean C or Mattie D to take up a new role. Would also like to see Richard Donnelly get some game time in the qualifiers. Pity that fella Kyle Coney didnt stick with it, he might have been able to present another option. He seemed to pull the plug very early in the year when in actual fact he was on the starting team.All we can hope is that Micky has a Damascene conversion on the road to Garvaghy and sees the light.
TCM - I&