Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[blanketattack]

The kickout rule has only marginally improved the aesthetics of the game. How many clean kickout catches are there in a game? Mainly just a melee of bodies looking to break the ball or scrimmage for it.
Still better than the 90% short kickouts but the arched kickout catch are as rare as ever.
Also, when it does occur the solo and go somehow detracts from it.

[onefineday]

I disagree with you on the 2 pointer for the simple reason that you are wrong about risk.  Four players recycling the ball outside the arc, waiting for the opening to take a shot, has almost zero risk.  Moving the ball inside to attempt a goal is high risk.  As it only gives one extra point, why take that risk at all?

Absolutely spot on Eoin, simple maths dictates that 2 pointers are the way forward. They have the best expected value and probably many multiples of the expected value of a goal. Now I appreciate that for some people there is a beauty to the long range point, but for me, there's nothing like a goal or two to really get me invested in the game. It often takes real moments of skill or individual brilliance and sends a roar through a crowd that no point can. Is the two pointer the end for the old saying "take your points and the goals will come".

[Milltown Row2]

The kickout rule has only marginally improved the aesthetics of the game. How many clean kickout catches are there in a game? Mainly just a melee of bodies looking to break the ball or scrimmage for it.
Still better than the 90% short kickouts but the arched kickout catch are as rare as ever.
Also, when it does occur the solo and go somehow detracts from it.

The solo and go isn't part of a clean catch in midfield (a mark)

[Saffron_sam20]

the advanced mark is honestly terrible, only really seen It last night for the first time. plater caught the ball laid it off and fella hit a shot keeper made a class save and it gets brought back for a tap over free because someone caught a ball clean? come on thats not football

[tbrick18]

I disagree with you on the 2 pointer for the simple reason that you are wrong about risk.  Four players recycling the ball outside the arc, waiting for the opening to take a shot, has almost zero risk.  Moving the ball inside to attempt a goal is high risk.  As it only gives one extra point, why take that risk at all?

Absolutely spot on Eoin, simple maths dictates that 2 pointers are the way forward. They have the best expected value and probably many multiples of the expected value of a goal. Now I appreciate that for some people there is a beauty to the long range point, but for me, there's nothing like a goal or two to really get me invested in the game. It often takes real moments of skill or individual brilliance and sends a roar through a crowd that no point can. Is the two pointer the end for the old saying "take your points and the goals will come".

100% agree with both posts.
The 2pt scores devalue a goal now which actually discourages the long kick in, part of what they wanted to encourage.

[gallsman]

Anyone able to point me to any formal definition of "Disruptive Conduct"? The words appear frequently enough in the Official Guide but I can't find any actual definition anywhere.

[StephenC]

Anyone able to point me to any formal definition of "Disruptive Conduct"? The words appear frequently enough in the Official Guide but I can't find any actual definition anywhere.

Asking questions like that.

[gallsman]

    

Very good in fairness.

[onefineday]

the advanced mark is honestly terrible, only really seen It last night for the first time. plater caught the ball laid it off and fella hit a shot keeper made a class save and it gets brought back for a tap over free because someone caught a ball clean? come on thats not football

It is indeed a ludicrous rule - I still remember the look of bafflement on donnacha Gilmore's face when he fisted wide v Kerry, only for the ref to try and explain that he now gets another try!!
Derry did try and take advantage of it a few times in later games and maybe it's the potential antidote to the 2 point rule - but no, just get rid of both.

[blanketattack]

the advanced mark is honestly terrible, only really seen It last night for the first time. plater caught the ball laid it off and fella hit a shot keeper made a class save and it gets brought back for a tap over free because someone caught a ball clean? come on thats not football

It is indeed a ludicrous rule - I still remember the look of bafflement on donnacha Gilmore's face when he fisted wide v Kerry, only for the ref to try and explain that he now gets another try!!
Derry did try and take advantage of it a few times in later games and maybe it's the potential antidote to the 2 point rule - but no, just get rid of both.

With the advanced mark it's baffling why players don't go for goal 100% of the time. Have seen players fist the ball over when they had won advanced mark in a simple tap-over position.

Likewise when a player has won a free in a quite easy position and the ref plays advantage, should go for a 2 pointer (or a goal) 100% of the time and if unsuccessful take the 1 pointer.

[on the sideline]

See with the forward mark, does the player who caught the mark have to take the free himself after they have played on but referee has deemed no advantage accrued and brings it back to the original mark position?

Back in February we were told by Ulster Council official and referees that if ref decided no advantage had come of the mark after playing on, that anyone could then take the free from the original mark position. I thought this was still the case, but was told otherwise last night.

[trileacman]

See with the forward mark, does the player who caught the mark have to take the free himself after they have played on but referee has deemed no advantage accrued and brings it back to the original mark position?

Back in February we were told by Ulster Council official and referees that if ref decided no advantage had come of the mark after playing on, that anyone could then take the free from the original mark position. I thought this was still the case, but was told otherwise last night.

Look pal, just do whatever the ref tells you and for the love of God don't question it.

Thats the new rule.

[Milltown Row2]

See with the forward mark, does the player who caught the mark have to take the free himself after they have played on but referee has deemed no advantage accrued and brings it back to the original mark position?

Back in February we were told by Ulster Council official and referees that if ref decided no advantage had come of the mark after playing on, that anyone could then take the free from the original mark position. I thought this was still the case, but was told otherwise last night.

Look pal, just do whatever the ref tells you and for the love of God don't question it.

Thats the new rule.

Telling people that for years.. but hey ho

[ONeill]

Is it true that refs have a secret society and they meet up now and again in a dingy hall and drink beer from cans and laugh about how they've fcuked people over?

[Nanderson]

See with the forward mark, does the player who caught the mark have to take the free himself after they have played on but referee has deemed no advantage accrued and brings it back to the original mark position?

Back in February we were told by Ulster Council official and referees that if ref decided no advantage had come of the mark after playing on, that anyone could then take the free from the original mark position. I thought this was still the case, but was told otherwise last night.

Look pal, just do whatever the ref tells you and for the love of God don't question it.

Thats the new rule.

Telling people that for years.. but hey ho

We had a game last night where the referee allowed the oppostion to bounce and go twice. When our captain said to him it has to be a solo he told him to go away