Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[flowerpot]

As for someone not on the field of play kicking a flag - hope Gough has had the relevant counselling by the GAA to get over that one, after his assessment of course to say he had a terrific game.

[Milltown Row2]

I'm confused here, either you want the rules applied or you don't, like them or loath them they are there..

But in your world its ok for a player to give abuse to the referee

[flowerpot]

And in your world it's ok for a ref to act the ballbag and potentially decide a match because players and management are normal humans with normal emotions who may get frustrated and vent out loud or kick a flag, abuse my hole away and wrap yourself in bubble wrap.

[flowerpot]

It might help if refs applied the rules correctly, depending on who you get the rules are applied differently, even the same ref in the same game can't apply the rules consistently - but it's all the players fault! Oh sorry they get assessed that's right!

[Milltown Row2]

Have you heard of the term, "devil's advocate"? It is where someone argues against their own thoughts, processes, or conclusions as a way of testing and improving their thoughts. It is a way of thinking or arguing to expose any flaws in your own thoughts and arguments

[Rossfan]

Woukd Pot like games to be played without Refs?

[RedHand88]

And in your world it's ok for a ref to act the ballbag and potentially decide a match because players and management are normal humans with normal emotions who may get frustrated and vent out loud or kick a flag, abuse my hole away and wrap yourself in bubble wrap.

It's no wonder they can't get referees anymore when there's people like this.
To have to listen to abuse from ill informed idiots on the sideline/crowd who only have a vague grasp on the intricacies of rules and what is/isn't a card.

Couldn't pay me to do it.

[tbrick18]

In this instance, I think both MR2 and Pot are right!
100% agree the ref should not be subjected to the abuse we've seen in the past, and I've no issue with the 50m rule to cut it out.
However, at the very least, a referee within a single game should be able to apply the rules consistently throughout that game.
Ideally, all refs should be consistent across all games, but difficult to see that happening.

This lack of consistency is what frustrates people more than anything and often results in that frustration boiling over. The 50m rule will help control that frustration and referee abuse, but it does nothing for resolving the issue of some really inept referees.

[JoG2]

It might help if refs applied the rules correctly, depending on who you get the rules are applied differently, even the same ref in the same game can't apply the rules consistently - but it's all the players fault! Oh sorry they get assessed that's right!

And in your world it's ok for a ref to act the ballbag and potentially decide a match because players and management are normal humans with normal emotions who may get frustrated and vent out loud or kick a flag, abuse my hole away and wrap yourself in bubble wrap.

God forbid footballers and management having to behave like grownups.
Must be a ref's course 'round your way, every county is crying out for them because they can't stand listening to "ballbags" anymore

[GTP]

To have to listen to abuse from ill informed idiots on the sideline/crowd who only have a vague grasp on the intricacies of rules and what is/isn't a card.

As Tbrick has said the 50m rule will reduce abuse from the sideline, mentors and players. The difficulty I have for referees is that those of us on the sideline who have tried to keep pace with the rule changes and those that have not may not understand what is being implemented on the field. In the old world you could guess what a foul was for push, high tackle etc or if given against the player in possession which technical offence occurred, steps or a throw ball. Now you have to guess if any stoppage is a foul or some example of good play such as a mark, if the player is allowed to continue, if they can solo and go, if on soloing and going there is an advantage, if the ref will bring it forward when someone touches the player and why it was brought forward if this happens, as well as not knowing the score as you didn't see if the ref signalled a two pointer for that one that looked outside the arc.
As a spectator at both underage and adult matches it is frustrating to not know what decision is being made and why. And whist I am trying not to be an idiot on the sideline for some the frustration will boil over and unfortunately the referee will bear the brunt of it. And that will be regardless of how 'good' or 'bad' the ref is on any given day as spectators will have very few clues as to why crucial decisions are being made.

[flowerpot]

Woukd Pot like games to be played without Refs?

Would like refs that were consistent - a man saying FFS when being blew up is not abuse, kicking a flag is not abuse, but the glee these lads have from racing halfway up the field is pathetic.

[flowerpot]

And in your world it's ok for a ref to act the ballbag and potentially decide a match because players and management are normal humans with normal emotions who may get frustrated and vent out loud or kick a flag, abuse my hole away and wrap yourself in bubble wrap.

It's no wonder they can't get referees anymore when there's people like this.
To have to listen to abuse from ill informed idiots on the sideline/crowd who only have a vague grasp on the intricacies of rules and what is/isn't a card.

Couldn't pay me to do it.

Who's giving or advocating abuse - please post the quote many thanks in advance.

Edit - maybe don't change so many rules and give no one any games to get use to them, there are ex gaa pundits don't know wtf is going on half the time.

[flowerpot]

It might help if refs applied the rules correctly, depending on who you get the rules are applied differently, even the same ref in the same game can't apply the rules consistently - but it's all the players fault! Oh sorry they get assessed that's right!

And in your world it's ok for a ref to act the ballbag and potentially decide a match because players and management are normal humans with normal emotions who may get frustrated and vent out loud or kick a flag, abuse my hole away and wrap yourself in bubble wrap.

God forbid footballers and management having to behave like grownups.
Must be a ref's course 'round your way, every county is crying out for them because they can't stand listening to "ballbags" anymore

The old chestnut away and be a ref yourself, how many times do you say that on here, must be weekly now.

[flowerpot]

In this instance, I think both MR2 and Pot are right!
100% agree the ref should not be subjected to the abuse we've seen in the past, and I've no issue with the 50m rule to cut it out.
However, at the very least, a referee within a single game should be able to apply the rules consistently throughout that game.
Ideally, all refs should be consistent across all games, but difficult to see that happening.

This lack of consistency is what frustrates people more than anything and often results in that frustration boiling over. The 50m rule will help control that frustration and referee abuse, but it does nothing for resolving the issue of some really inept referees.

Don't try to be logical on here, the new rules have given refs carte blanch to do what they want, lads playing football for 20 / 30 years now have totally change and not be frustrated when they don't understand what they are being blown for or the wee man will be on the 50M dash ball in hand!

[imtommygunn]

I still don't get what the story is with the steps rule now either. Did Gough just police them stringently in the armagh tyrone game and that is all we will see of the more stringent policing of it for the rest of the year? I have not seen another game reffed like that since wrt steps.