Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[David McKeown]

David McKeown, you've explained the situation very well and remained calm in doing so.
You don't necessarily approve of the legal action but accept their right to do so and understand the two very straightforward arguments in their favour.
I'm sure you've felt like screaming into a pillow during your postings.

As it stands, no-one has actually missed out until Wednesday's sale comes and goes but let's say the "Ticket Gate 8" are successful whether via court or quiet settlement, then what? Surely it will open it up to other aggrieved patrons who actually do end up missing out. Of course, many will refuse to take legal action regardless, myself included, and I would encourage against it but again the right to do so is acknowledged.

Just a word on the narky BS by some posters on here towards collective Armagh fans. Just like you within your county, we express many different views, opinions and attitudes across a multitude of topics worthy of discussing on here or elsewhere. Posting negativity about a comment from one or 2 people along the lines of "Armagh fans are the worst" is such cheap nonsense. So easy to respond with "Tyrone fans" this or "Donegal fans" that if one balloon pipes in with a bad take. Insert any county name here that you wish and the derogatory term works but is still totally baseless.

Buckfast Brigade and the likes. I would say its been 20 years since my one and half bottle of buckfast :-)
Am I this Brigade lol?

Only thing I'd say is. What was offered with the season ticket was the guaranteed right to a ticket. The argument will be there that there is some value to that guarantee that was wrongly advertised.

Even if the 8 (and let's remember that's all I know about from one source. It's unlikely but there could be others)get a ticket in the first come first served procedure on Wednesday there has still been a loss of value (will be the argument) for which some form of compensation should be offered.

I've put up the small print on this twice already....tickets not guaranteed

Yes they are not guaranteed if one of two criteria are met. Neither are met in this instance.

[JoG2]

David McKeown, you've explained the situation very well and remained calm in doing so.
You don't necessarily approve of the legal action but accept their right to do so and understand the two very straightforward arguments in their favour.
I'm sure you've felt like screaming into a pillow during your postings.

As it stands, no-one has actually missed out until Wednesday's sale comes and goes but let's say the "Ticket Gate 8" are successful whether via court or quiet settlement, then what? Surely it will open it up to other aggrieved patrons who actually do end up missing out. Of course, many will refuse to take legal action regardless, myself included, and I would encourage against it but again the right to do so is acknowledged.

Just a word on the narky BS by some posters on here towards collective Armagh fans. Just like you within your county, we express many different views, opinions and attitudes across a multitude of topics worthy of discussing on here or elsewhere. Posting negativity about a comment from one or 2 people along the lines of "Armagh fans are the worst" is such cheap nonsense. So easy to respond with "Tyrone fans" this or "Donegal fans" that if one balloon pipes in with a bad take. Insert any county name here that you wish and the derogatory term works but is still totally baseless.

Buckfast Brigade and the likes. I would say its been 20 years since my one and half bottle of buckfast :-)
Am I this Brigade lol?

Only thing I'd say is. What was offered with the season ticket was the guaranteed right to a ticket. The argument will be there that there is some value to that guarantee that was wrongly advertised.

Even if the 8 (and let's remember that's all I know about from one source. It's unlikely but there could be others)get a ticket in the first come first served procedure on Wednesday there has still been a loss of value (will be the argument) for which some form of compensation should be offered.

I've put up the small print on this twice already....tickets not guaranteed

Yes they are not guaranteed if one of two criteria are met. Neither are met in this instance.

Are you saying the GAA should not provide tickets to CB volunteers, players and sponsors and there will be enough room for all season ticket holders (who let's face it, a big % of these season ticket holders will be Johnny-come-latelys) , or what hasn't been met criteria wise?

[David McKeown]

David McKeown, you've explained the situation very well and remained calm in doing so.
You don't necessarily approve of the legal action but accept their right to do so and understand the two very straightforward arguments in their favour.
I'm sure you've felt like screaming into a pillow during your postings.

As it stands, no-one has actually missed out until Wednesday's sale comes and goes but let's say the "Ticket Gate 8" are successful whether via court or quiet settlement, then what? Surely it will open it up to other aggrieved patrons who actually do end up missing out. Of course, many will refuse to take legal action regardless, myself included, and I would encourage against it but again the right to do so is acknowledged.

Just a word on the narky BS by some posters on here towards collective Armagh fans. Just like you within your county, we express many different views, opinions and attitudes across a multitude of topics worthy of discussing on here or elsewhere. Posting negativity about a comment from one or 2 people along the lines of "Armagh fans are the worst" is such cheap nonsense. So easy to respond with "Tyrone fans" this or "Donegal fans" that if one balloon pipes in with a bad take. Insert any county name here that you wish and the derogatory term works but is still totally baseless.

Buckfast Brigade and the likes. I would say its been 20 years since my one and half bottle of buckfast :-)
Am I this Brigade lol?

Only thing I'd say is. What was offered with the season ticket was the guaranteed right to a ticket. The argument will be there that there is some value to that guarantee that was wrongly advertised.

Even if the 8 (and let's remember that's all I know about from one source. It's unlikely but there could be others)get a ticket in the first come first served procedure on Wednesday there has still been a loss of value (will be the argument) for which some form of compensation should be offered.

I've put up the small print on this twice already....tickets not guaranteed

Yes they are not guaranteed if one of two criteria are met. Neither are met in this instance.

Are you saying the GAA should not provide tickets to CB volunteers, players and sponsors and there will be enough room for all season ticket holders (who let's face it, a big % of these season ticket holders will be Johnny-come-latelys) , or what hasn't been met criteria wise?

Im saying the terms and conditions (which is actually slightly different to what you have quoted) guaranteed a right to buy a ticket unless one of two criteria were met.  One either the number of season ticket holders exceeded the capacity of the ground (it doesn't) or venue restrictions reduce the capacity to below the number of season ticket holders (again it didn't).  I am making no comment on who is more deserving than others of tickets I am simply pointing out that the T's and C's do not protect the association.  They are clearly in breach of contract. They have prioritised other contractual obligations.

For reference the relevant terms are:

In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity or venue restrictions the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture.

In the event that a stadiums stand capacity is limited the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats. Season Ticket holders may be allocated tickets in a different area in this event.

In the event of safety or capacity concerns the GAA reserves the right to re-locate GAA Season Ticket holders on or before match day without any prior notice to the GAA Season Ticket holder.

[JoG2]

David McKeown, you've explained the situation very well and remained calm in doing so.
You don't necessarily approve of the legal action but accept their right to do so and understand the two very straightforward arguments in their favour.
I'm sure you've felt like screaming into a pillow during your postings.

As it stands, no-one has actually missed out until Wednesday's sale comes and goes but let's say the "Ticket Gate 8" are successful whether via court or quiet settlement, then what? Surely it will open it up to other aggrieved patrons who actually do end up missing out. Of course, many will refuse to take legal action regardless, myself included, and I would encourage against it but again the right to do so is acknowledged.

Just a word on the narky BS by some posters on here towards collective Armagh fans. Just like you within your county, we express many different views, opinions and attitudes across a multitude of topics worthy of discussing on here or elsewhere. Posting negativity about a comment from one or 2 people along the lines of "Armagh fans are the worst" is such cheap nonsense. So easy to respond with "Tyrone fans" this or "Donegal fans" that if one balloon pipes in with a bad take. Insert any county name here that you wish and the derogatory term works but is still totally baseless.

Buckfast Brigade and the likes. I would say its been 20 years since my one and half bottle of buckfast :-)
Am I this Brigade lol?

Only thing I'd say is. What was offered with the season ticket was the guaranteed right to a ticket. The argument will be there that there is some value to that guarantee that was wrongly advertised.

Even if the 8 (and let's remember that's all I know about from one source. It's unlikely but there could be others)get a ticket in the first come first served procedure on Wednesday there has still been a loss of value (will be the argument) for which some form of compensation should be offered.

I've put up the small print on this twice already....tickets not guaranteed

Yes they are not guaranteed if one of two criteria are met. Neither are met in this instance.

Are you saying the GAA should not provide tickets to CB volunteers, players and sponsors and there will be enough room for all season ticket holders (who let's face it, a big % of these season ticket holders will be Johnny-come-latelys) , or what hasn't been met criteria wise?

Im saying the terms and conditions (which is actually slightly different to what you have quoted) guaranteed a right to buy a ticket unless one of two criteria were met.  One either the number of season ticket holders exceeded the capacity of the ground (it doesn't) or venue restrictions reduce the capacity to below the number of season ticket holders (again it didn't).  I am making no comment on who is more deserving than others of tickets I am simply pointing out that the T's and C's do not protect the association.  They are clearly in breach of contract. They have prioritised other contractual obligations.

For reference the relevant terms are:

In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity or venue restrictions the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture.

In the event that a stadiums stand capacity is limited the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats. Season Ticket holders may be allocated tickets in a different area in this event.

In the event of safety or capacity concerns the GAA reserves the right to re-locate GAA Season Ticket holders on or before match day without any prior notice to the GAA Season Ticket holder.

As they should, remaining capacity = capacity for season ticket holders / paying punters

[Spiderlegs]

David McKeown, you've explained the situation very well and remained calm in doing so.
You don't necessarily approve of the legal action but accept their right to do so and understand the two very straightforward arguments in their favour.
I'm sure you've felt like screaming into a pillow during your postings.

As it stands, no-one has actually missed out until Wednesday's sale comes and goes but let's say the "Ticket Gate 8" are successful whether via court or quiet settlement, then what? Surely it will open it up to other aggrieved patrons who actually do end up missing out. Of course, many will refuse to take legal action regardless, myself included, and I would encourage against it but again the right to do so is acknowledged.

Just a word on the narky BS by some posters on here towards collective Armagh fans. Just like you within your county, we express many different views, opinions and attitudes across a multitude of topics worthy of discussing on here or elsewhere. Posting negativity about a comment from one or 2 people along the lines of "Armagh fans are the worst" is such cheap nonsense. So easy to respond with "Tyrone fans" this or "Donegal fans" that if one balloon pipes in with a bad take. Insert any county name here that you wish and the derogatory term works but is still totally baseless.

Buckfast Brigade and the likes. I would say its been 20 years since my one and half bottle of buckfast :-)
Am I this Brigade lol?

Only thing I'd say is. What was offered with the season ticket was the guaranteed right to a ticket. The argument will be there that there is some value to that guarantee that was wrongly advertised.

Even if the 8 (and let's remember that's all I know about from one source. It's unlikely but there could be others)get a ticket in the first come first served procedure on Wednesday there has still been a loss of value (will be the argument) for which some form of compensation should be offered.

I've put up the small print on this twice already....tickets not guaranteed

Yes they are not guaranteed if one of two criteria are met. Neither are met in this instance.

Are you saying the GAA should not provide tickets to CB volunteers, players and sponsors and there will be enough room for all season ticket holders (who let's face it, a big % of these season ticket holders will be Johnny-come-latelys) , or what hasn't been met criteria wise?

Im saying the terms and conditions (which is actually slightly different to what you have quoted) guaranteed a right to buy a ticket unless one of two criteria were met.  One either the number of season ticket holders exceeded the capacity of the ground (it doesn't) or venue restrictions reduce the capacity to below the number of season ticket holders (again it didn't).  I am making no comment on who is more deserving than others of tickets I am simply pointing out that the T's and C's do not protect the association.  They are clearly in breach of contract. They have prioritised other contractual obligations.

For reference the relevant terms are:

In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity or venue restrictions the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture.

In the event that a stadiums stand capacity is limited the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats. Season Ticket holders may be allocated tickets in a different area in this event.

In the event of safety or capacity concerns the GAA reserves the right to re-locate GAA Season Ticket holders on or before match day without any prior notice to the GAA Season Ticket holder.

As they should, remaining capacity = capacity for season ticket holders / paying punters

"Remaining Capacity" isn't a phrase in the terms and conditions. That's just your spin on it.
When it comes to legal action, wording is of utmost importance in contract law in determining the outcome of the case.

As has been pointed out, the wording is against the association if they are in a legal battle with some season ticket holders.

[David McKeown]

David McKeown, you've explained the situation very well and remained calm in doing so.
You don't necessarily approve of the legal action but accept their right to do so and understand the two very straightforward arguments in their favour.
I'm sure you've felt like screaming into a pillow during your postings.

As it stands, no-one has actually missed out until Wednesday's sale comes and goes but let's say the "Ticket Gate 8" are successful whether via court or quiet settlement, then what? Surely it will open it up to other aggrieved patrons who actually do end up missing out. Of course, many will refuse to take legal action regardless, myself included, and I would encourage against it but again the right to do so is acknowledged.

Just a word on the narky BS by some posters on here towards collective Armagh fans. Just like you within your county, we express many different views, opinions and attitudes across a multitude of topics worthy of discussing on here or elsewhere. Posting negativity about a comment from one or 2 people along the lines of "Armagh fans are the worst" is such cheap nonsense. So easy to respond with "Tyrone fans" this or "Donegal fans" that if one balloon pipes in with a bad take. Insert any county name here that you wish and the derogatory term works but is still totally baseless.

Buckfast Brigade and the likes. I would say its been 20 years since my one and half bottle of buckfast :-)
Am I this Brigade lol?

Only thing I'd say is. What was offered with the season ticket was the guaranteed right to a ticket. The argument will be there that there is some value to that guarantee that was wrongly advertised.

Even if the 8 (and let's remember that's all I know about from one source. It's unlikely but there could be others)get a ticket in the first come first served procedure on Wednesday there has still been a loss of value (will be the argument) for which some form of compensation should be offered.

I've put up the small print on this twice already....tickets not guaranteed

Yes they are not guaranteed if one of two criteria are met. Neither are met in this instance.

Are you saying the GAA should not provide tickets to CB volunteers, players and sponsors and there will be enough room for all season ticket holders (who let's face it, a big % of these season ticket holders will be Johnny-come-latelys) , or what hasn't been met criteria wise?

Im saying the terms and conditions (which is actually slightly different to what you have quoted) guaranteed a right to buy a ticket unless one of two criteria were met.  One either the number of season ticket holders exceeded the capacity of the ground (it doesn't) or venue restrictions reduce the capacity to below the number of season ticket holders (again it didn't).  I am making no comment on who is more deserving than others of tickets I am simply pointing out that the T's and C's do not protect the association.  They are clearly in breach of contract. They have prioritised other contractual obligations.

For reference the relevant terms are:

In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity or venue restrictions the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture.

In the event that a stadiums stand capacity is limited the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats. Season Ticket holders may be allocated tickets in a different area in this event.

In the event of safety or capacity concerns the GAA reserves the right to re-locate GAA Season Ticket holders on or before match day without any prior notice to the GAA Season Ticket holder.

As they should, remaining capacity = capacity for season ticket holders / paying punters

Whether they should or shouldn't is a completely different debate.  It's not a defence in contract law to say we aren't going to honour our contractual obligations to a because we would rather honour our obligations to b.

If you do that you are still in breach of contract.

[Milltown Row2]

Contract law, courts, legal proceedings

£20 f**king quid and missed game against Antrim in Belfast.

Place is bonkers

[illdecide]

Contract law, courts, legal proceedings

£20 f**king quid and missed game against Antrim in Belfast.

Place is bonkers

Correct...I very rarely miss an Armagh game and have written this game off already, I won't even try for a ticket and after everything that's went on and said I'm happy to watch it on TV. If it's not the TV then the 37 seconds on the Sunday Game will have to do...Sin e

[JoG2]

David McKeown, you've explained the situation very well and remained calm in doing so.
You don't necessarily approve of the legal action but accept their right to do so and understand the two very straightforward arguments in their favour.
I'm sure you've felt like screaming into a pillow during your postings.

As it stands, no-one has actually missed out until Wednesday's sale comes and goes but let's say the "Ticket Gate 8" are successful whether via court or quiet settlement, then what? Surely it will open it up to other aggrieved patrons who actually do end up missing out. Of course, many will refuse to take legal action regardless, myself included, and I would encourage against it but again the right to do so is acknowledged.

Just a word on the narky BS by some posters on here towards collective Armagh fans. Just like you within your county, we express many different views, opinions and attitudes across a multitude of topics worthy of discussing on here or elsewhere. Posting negativity about a comment from one or 2 people along the lines of "Armagh fans are the worst" is such cheap nonsense. So easy to respond with "Tyrone fans" this or "Donegal fans" that if one balloon pipes in with a bad take. Insert any county name here that you wish and the derogatory term works but is still totally baseless.

Buckfast Brigade and the likes. I would say its been 20 years since my one and half bottle of buckfast :-)
Am I this Brigade lol?

Only thing I'd say is. What was offered with the season ticket was the guaranteed right to a ticket. The argument will be there that there is some value to that guarantee that was wrongly advertised.

Even if the 8 (and let's remember that's all I know about from one source. It's unlikely but there could be others)get a ticket in the first come first served procedure on Wednesday there has still been a loss of value (will be the argument) for which some form of compensation should be offered.

I've put up the small print on this twice already....tickets not guaranteed

Yes they are not guaranteed if one of two criteria are met. Neither are met in this instance.

Are you saying the GAA should not provide tickets to CB volunteers, players and sponsors and there will be enough room for all season ticket holders (who let's face it, a big % of these season ticket holders will be Johnny-come-latelys) , or what hasn't been met criteria wise?

Im saying the terms and conditions (which is actually slightly different to what you have quoted) guaranteed a right to buy a ticket unless one of two criteria were met.  One either the number of season ticket holders exceeded the capacity of the ground (it doesn't) or venue restrictions reduce the capacity to below the number of season ticket holders (again it didn't).  I am making no comment on who is more deserving than others of tickets I am simply pointing out that the T's and C's do not protect the association.  They are clearly in breach of contract. They have prioritised other contractual obligations.

For reference the relevant terms are:

In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity or venue restrictions the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture.

In the event that a stadiums stand capacity is limited the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats. Season Ticket holders may be allocated tickets in a different area in this event.

In the event of safety or capacity concerns the GAA reserves the right to re-locate GAA Season Ticket holders on or before match day without any prior notice to the GAA Season Ticket holder.

As they should, remaining capacity = capacity for season ticket holders / paying punters

Whether they should or shouldn't is a completely different debate.  It's not a defence in contract law to say we aren't going to honour our contractual obligations to a because we would rather honour our obligations to b.

If you do that you are still in breach of contract.

What contracts would be in place for say CB members and players? None I'd say. Who ultimately decides what the capacity is for a given match?

[Wildweasel74]

Sure the 2yrs of covid you couldn't go to games 2020 and only the tail end of 2021

[Wildweasel74]

I can't enforce construction contracts at work for thousands of pounds even though its signed and in writing, there no way any court gonna waste their time with a £20 ticket.

[David McKeown]

David McKeown, you've explained the situation very well and remained calm in doing so.
You don't necessarily approve of the legal action but accept their right to do so and understand the two very straightforward arguments in their favour.
I'm sure you've felt like screaming into a pillow during your postings.

As it stands, no-one has actually missed out until Wednesday's sale comes and goes but let's say the "Ticket Gate 8" are successful whether via court or quiet settlement, then what? Surely it will open it up to other aggrieved patrons who actually do end up missing out. Of course, many will refuse to take legal action regardless, myself included, and I would encourage against it but again the right to do so is acknowledged.

Just a word on the narky BS by some posters on here towards collective Armagh fans. Just like you within your county, we express many different views, opinions and attitudes across a multitude of topics worthy of discussing on here or elsewhere. Posting negativity about a comment from one or 2 people along the lines of "Armagh fans are the worst" is such cheap nonsense. So easy to respond with "Tyrone fans" this or "Donegal fans" that if one balloon pipes in with a bad take. Insert any county name here that you wish and the derogatory term works but is still totally baseless.

Buckfast Brigade and the likes. I would say its been 20 years since my one and half bottle of buckfast :-)
Am I this Brigade lol?

Only thing I'd say is. What was offered with the season ticket was the guaranteed right to a ticket. The argument will be there that there is some value to that guarantee that was wrongly advertised.

Even if the 8 (and let's remember that's all I know about from one source. It's unlikely but there could be others)get a ticket in the first come first served procedure on Wednesday there has still been a loss of value (will be the argument) for which some form of compensation should be offered.

I've put up the small print on this twice already....tickets not guaranteed

Yes they are not guaranteed if one of two criteria are met. Neither are met in this instance.

Are you saying the GAA should not provide tickets to CB volunteers, players and sponsors and there will be enough room for all season ticket holders (who let's face it, a big % of these season ticket holders will be Johnny-come-latelys) , or what hasn't been met criteria wise?

Im saying the terms and conditions (which is actually slightly different to what you have quoted) guaranteed a right to buy a ticket unless one of two criteria were met.  One either the number of season ticket holders exceeded the capacity of the ground (it doesn't) or venue restrictions reduce the capacity to below the number of season ticket holders (again it didn't).  I am making no comment on who is more deserving than others of tickets I am simply pointing out that the T's and C's do not protect the association.  They are clearly in breach of contract. They have prioritised other contractual obligations.

For reference the relevant terms are:

In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity or venue restrictions the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture.

In the event that a stadiums stand capacity is limited the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats. Season Ticket holders may be allocated tickets in a different area in this event.

In the event of safety or capacity concerns the GAA reserves the right to re-locate GAA Season Ticket holders on or before match day without any prior notice to the GAA Season Ticket holder.

As they should, remaining capacity = capacity for season ticket holders / paying punters

Whether they should or shouldn't is a completely different debate.  It's not a defence in contract law to say we aren't going to honour our contractual obligations to a because we would rather honour our obligations to b.

If you do that you are still in breach of contract.

What contracts would be in place for say CB members and players? None I'd say. Who ultimately decides what the capacity is for a given match?

By definition capacity is the maximum something can hold. Giving tickets to CB members and players which again I have no issue with doesn't reduce capacity. It also doesn't act as a defence if the association chooses to use the available capacity for other groups no matter how admirable that decision may be.

[David McKeown]

I can't enforce construction contracts at work for thousands of pounds even though its signed and in writing, there no way any court gonna waste their time with a £20 ticket.

Small claims court regularly deal with low value cases. This is a £150 ticket being missold at its height (I doubt any solicitor would try and have it certified as a class). In the unlikely event it gets to court they will entertain it but again I imagine a pragmatic approach would be taken.

[Spiderlegs]

Contract law, courts, legal proceedings

£20 f**king quid and missed game against Antrim in Belfast.

Place is bonkers

It's only being talked about on here because the thread has went in the direction of the ticket gate 8.
Regardless of whether they should or should not proceed with a legal case...
1) they have a right to do so
2) I'm interested in what the outcome is
3) I'm interested in the technicalities and wordings of the terms and conditions.

All the while, myself as a season ticket holder will try and get a ticket on Wednesday and if I don't the matter is over, no fuss kicked up and move forward with an understanding and sympathy of exactly why it unfolded like it did.

[Milltown Row2]

I've no understanding nor sympathy for anyone that's taking this to court/solicitors/legal proceedings

The Ulster council made a mistake on how they presented the guarantee of getting to all games, that's it, they didn't take into consideration the capacity of Corrigan if Antrim were pulled first out of the hat, unfortunately some people will miss out, they are untitled to money back.

Move on, people throwing their dummies out are embarrassing themselves and are being rightly ridiculed, hopefully they are named so that they can be ridiculed a lot more.