Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[APM]

I think if you have bought season tickets for you and your family and cannot get tickets for this match you have a right to feel aggrieved. Does anyone disagree with that?

Antrim Gaels similarly have the right to feel aggrieved about the mess Ulster Council have made of Casement Park. Antrim Gaels no doubt are asking what their own county have done regarding facilities within the county and what fund raising is ongoing to address this in the future.

The legal case, for those prepared to take one, looks cut and dried. The GAA can rightly refuse to issue a match ticket if there isn't capacity but there doesn't appear to be anything in the Ts&Cs that allows the GAA to refuse to issue a match ticket to a season ticket holder so that they can issue the same ticket to someone else. The fact that the ticket is being issued to someone else by definition means that it is not a stadium capacity issue.

The wider position is complicated more by Antrim not having season ticket holders. But that won't affect the legal case.

I won't be taking any legal case but if I was a journalist I'd be asking the GAA if they are bound by contract law and will they be holding any other party to contract law? Their position on that could be quoted back to them before the Casement debacle concludes.

I wish I had so little in my life to worry about where I'm "aggrieved" to the point of legal action because I didn't get a ticket to a fairly meaningless match against Antrim. As I said previously - 8 sad bastards.

It is not the most important event, but a case would reduce bait and switch skulduggery in the future.

Unless you are suggesting that Armagh County Board and/or Ulster Gaa knew in advance that they intended not to fulfill season ticket requirements then that isn't what bait and switch means.

Any Armagh fans I know are happy to give the game a miss if they have too,  mostly out of sympathy for the position Ulster Gaa (which includes all the other counties as well as Antrim) has left Casement in

if ticket holders want to reduce the matter to a purely commercial arrangement then I'm not sure the Gaa is the organisation for them.

Any evidence that this legal letter has actually been sent?

The GAA knew at the time of the season ticket sales that Antrim had been drawn at home to Armagh, so whilst they may not have thought it through they probably should have and made people aware that there was a chance this might occur. Or at least changed the T's and C's to cover this.

The only evidence is I have been told directly by a solicitor within the firm that they were instructed to send it and it had been sent.  Ive no reason to doubt them but apart from that I am the only source.

I think Smelmoth has pretty much hit the nail on the head with this one.  Not a choice of action I'd take and I probably wouldn't be too fond of those who took such actions but at the same time can acknowledge that they have the legal right to such action.  I can see the argument that a major reason for purchasing a season ticket was to guarantee a ticket to this match and now after taking their money the GAA have shifted the goal posts possibly to meet obligations to sponsors rather than obligations to fans. To try and claim that means those involved are not welcome in the association or aren't true gaels annoys me though.

But a lot will have that viewpoint. I have that viewpoint, I think to take legal action against the organisation over something like this is pretty disgusting imo.

Pretty ridiculous that anyone would consider taking this course of action.  Too much time on their hands.

[Milltown Row2]

Aggrieved is a bit strong, being put out or having to settle to watch the game on telly is the worst that's going to come out of this. No one will miss the game, compensation for those unlucky to not get is definitely needed, but the claim culture in modern society means people are aggrieved if someone gives them a compliment.

Anyone defending these muppets is as bad

I'm not sure that many are defending the "muppets". I don't know who they are or what their motivations are. I am however very interested in the outcome and I am not that annoyed that some persons are at least thinking of taking this further.

Aggrieved, seems a very appropriate word.
I'm not sure what the problem is with it?

People want to go to the game. I think we had 7k at a home match in a freezing cold Saturday night against Clare in Division 3. There is a huge appetite to attend games. Look at the crowd 2 hours before throw in for games in the Athletics ground as young and old try to get a seat before the mass crowd arrives.

Few in Armagh have ever said the game shouldn't be in Antrim and there is huge sympathy for Antrim's position. I had my worries about the game being in Corrigan Park as I couldn't see how more than a few Antrim fans could get a ticket. It looks like that injustice is being addressed by tearing up the Ts&Cs of the season ticket. And they are being torn up. The line that the capacity issue allows the Ulster Council to do what it's proposing is a fiction.

That's why I'm interested in the outcome. If we arrive at the point where the GAA can just renege on its obligations I'm not sure any of us will be celebrating that in the long run.

So regardless of all that, the game was fixed for Corrigan and due to the size and ticket allocation it's deemed that it's not enough to cover the season ticket allocation that Armagh have.

That's a Ulster council problem not an Antrim one, the games been fixed and unfortunately it's been over sold, those that lose out on coming up the Whiterock road can watch on tv, those that missed out can get their money back and a free ticket or a corneto

Everyone moves on, and toys stay in the pram, the childish behaviour is akin to a two year old throwing a tantrum in a shop!

Now we have a continuation of something that will make more headlines than the game.

I'm not sure I've seen anything from the GAA president on this or from Croke or even from the Armagh team to tell people that's it's done and move on.

Again anyone that continues to look at this with any other view, really needs to look at themselves

[tonto1888]

I think if you have bought season tickets for you and your family and cannot get tickets for this match you have a right to feel aggrieved. Does anyone disagree with that?

Antrim Gaels similarly have the right to feel aggrieved about the mess Ulster Council have made of Casement Park. Antrim Gaels no doubt are asking what their own county have done regarding facilities within the county and what fund raising is ongoing to address this in the future.

The legal case, for those prepared to take one, looks cut and dried. The GAA can rightly refuse to issue a match ticket if there isn't capacity but there doesn't appear to be anything in the Ts&Cs that allows the GAA to refuse to issue a match ticket to a season ticket holder so that they can issue the same ticket to someone else. The fact that the ticket is being issued to someone else by definition means that it is not a stadium capacity issue.

The wider position is complicated more by Antrim not having season ticket holders. But that won't affect the legal case.

I won't be taking any legal case but if I was a journalist I'd be asking the GAA if they are bound by contract law and will they be holding any other party to contract law? Their position on that could be quoted back to them before the Casement debacle concludes.

I wish I had so little in my life to worry about where I'm "aggrieved" to the point of legal action because I didn't get a ticket to a fairly meaningless match against Antrim. As I said previously - 8 sad bastards.

It is not the most important event, but a case would reduce bait and switch skulduggery in the future.

Skulduggery. You need to wise up

[tonto1888]

Aggrieved is a bit strong, being put out or having to settle to watch the game on telly is the worst that's going to come out of this. No one will miss the game, compensation for those unlucky to not get is definitely needed, but the claim culture in modern society means people are aggrieved if someone gives them a compliment.

Anyone defending these muppets is as bad

I'm not sure that many are defending the "muppets". I don't know who they are or what their motivations are. I am however very interested in the outcome and I am not that annoyed that some persons are at least thinking of taking this further.

Aggrieved, seems a very appropriate word.
I'm not sure what the problem is with it?

People want to go to the game. I think we had 7k at a home match in a freezing cold Saturday night against Clare in Division 3. There is a huge appetite to attend games. Look at the crowd 2 hours before throw in for games in the Athletics ground as young and old try to get a seat before the mass crowd arrives.

Few in Armagh have ever said the game shouldn't be in Antrim and there is huge sympathy for Antrim's position. I had my worries about the game being in Corrigan Park as I couldn't see how more than a few Antrim fans could get a ticket. It looks like that injustice is being addressed by tearing up the Ts&Cs of the season ticket. And they are being torn up. The line that the capacity issue allows the Ulster Council to do what it's proposing is a fiction.

That's why I'm interested in the outcome. If we arrive at the point where the GAA can just renege on its obligations I'm not sure any of us will be celebrating that in the long run.

So regardless of all that, the game was fixed for Corrigan and due to the size and ticket allocation it's deemed that it's not enough to cover the season ticket allocation that Armagh have.

That's a Ulster council problem not an Antrim one, the games been fixed and unfortunately it's been over sold, those that lose out on coming up the Whiterock road can watch on tv, those that missed out can get their money back and a free ticket or a corneto

Everyone moves on, and toys stay in the pram, the childish behaviour is akin to a two year old throwing a tantrum in a shop!

Now we have a continuation of something that will make more headlines than the game.

I'm not sure I've seen anything from the GAA president on this or from Croke or even from the Armagh team to tell people that's it's done and move on.

Again anyone that continues to look at this with any other view, really needs to look at themselves

I do agree with you on this bit why would the Armagh team have to say anything on the matter?

[Armagh18]

Its no different to a cancelled ticket of ticket master. Keep on going on about it. People just gonna take a serious dislike to Armagh ones, the longer it keeps going on. Match is in Antrim, live with it.

"Armagh ones"?

I don't think the views you are attributing to Armagh people actually apply to more than a very small few.

He knows that. Hes just using it as an excuse to slag off Armagh fans in general.

[David McKeown]

Aggrieved is a bit strong, being put out or having to settle to watch the game on telly is the worst that's going to come out of this. No one will miss the game, compensation for those unlucky to not get is definitely needed, but the claim culture in modern society means people are aggrieved if someone gives them a compliment.

Anyone defending these muppets is as bad

I'm not sure that many are defending the "muppets". I don't know who they are or what their motivations are. I am however very interested in the outcome and I am not that annoyed that some persons are at least thinking of taking this further.

Aggrieved, seems a very appropriate word.
I'm not sure what the problem is with it?

People want to go to the game. I think we had 7k at a home match in a freezing cold Saturday night against Clare in Division 3. There is a huge appetite to attend games. Look at the crowd 2 hours before throw in for games in the Athletics ground as young and old try to get a seat before the mass crowd arrives.

Few in Armagh have ever said the game shouldn't be in Antrim and there is huge sympathy for Antrim's position. I had my worries about the game being in Corrigan Park as I couldn't see how more than a few Antrim fans could get a ticket. It looks like that injustice is being addressed by tearing up the Ts&Cs of the season ticket. And they are being torn up. The line that the capacity issue allows the Ulster Council to do what it's proposing is a fiction.

That's why I'm interested in the outcome. If we arrive at the point where the GAA can just renege on its obligations I'm not sure any of us will be celebrating that in the long run.

So regardless of all that, the game was fixed for Corrigan and due to the size and ticket allocation it's deemed that it's not enough to cover the season ticket allocation that Armagh have.

That's a Ulster council problem not an Antrim one, the games been fixed and unfortunately it's been over sold, those that lose out on coming up the Whiterock road can watch on tv, those that missed out can get their money back and a free ticket or a corneto

Everyone moves on, and toys stay in the pram, the childish behaviour is akin to a two year old throwing a tantrum in a shop!

Now we have a continuation of something that will make more headlines than the game.

I'm not sure I've seen anything from the GAA president on this or from Croke or even from the Armagh team to tell people that's it's done and move on.

Again anyone that continues to look at this with any other view, really needs to look at themselves

If the GAA were to offer a refund or a future free ticket then I can't see there being a cause of action. But they aren't doing that. They are saying get in a queue and if you get lucky you can have what we promised you when we over charged you for a season ticket. All so that we can give the ticket we originally promised you a chance to buy to someone else but keep your money anyway if you aren't lucky.

Or at least that's how it will be portrayed.

As I say I'd be shocked if this makes it to court. Something will be quietly offered and that will be the end of things.

[Milltown Row2]

Aggrieved is a bit strong, being put out or having to settle to watch the game on telly is the worst that's going to come out of this. No one will miss the game, compensation for those unlucky to not get is definitely needed, but the claim culture in modern society means people are aggrieved if someone gives them a compliment.

Anyone defending these muppets is as bad

I'm not sure that many are defending the "muppets". I don't know who they are or what their motivations are. I am however very interested in the outcome and I am not that annoyed that some persons are at least thinking of taking this further.

Aggrieved, seems a very appropriate word.
I'm not sure what the problem is with it?

People want to go to the game. I think we had 7k at a home match in a freezing cold Saturday night against Clare in Division 3. There is a huge appetite to attend games. Look at the crowd 2 hours before throw in for games in the Athletics ground as young and old try to get a seat before the mass crowd arrives.

Few in Armagh have ever said the game shouldn't be in Antrim and there is huge sympathy for Antrim's position. I had my worries about the game being in Corrigan Park as I couldn't see how more than a few Antrim fans could get a ticket. It looks like that injustice is being addressed by tearing up the Ts&Cs of the season ticket. And they are being torn up. The line that the capacity issue allows the Ulster Council to do what it's proposing is a fiction.

That's why I'm interested in the outcome. If we arrive at the point where the GAA can just renege on its obligations I'm not sure any of us will be celebrating that in the long run.

So regardless of all that, the game was fixed for Corrigan and due to the size and ticket allocation it's deemed that it's not enough to cover the season ticket allocation that Armagh have.

That's a Ulster council problem not an Antrim one, the games been fixed and unfortunately it's been over sold, those that lose out on coming up the Whiterock road can watch on tv, those that missed out can get their money back and a free ticket or a corneto

Everyone moves on, and toys stay in the pram, the childish behaviour is akin to a two year old throwing a tantrum in a shop!

Now we have a continuation of something that will make more headlines than the game.

I'm not sure I've seen anything from the GAA president on this or from Croke or even from the Armagh team to tell people that's it's done and move on.

Again anyone that continues to look at this with any other view, really needs to look at themselves

I do agree with you on this bit why would the Armagh team have to say anything on the matter?

The Armagh team manager have sway, a little statement saying they are happy and in agreement to play at Corrigan and while it's not perfect and people will miss out but we are looking forward to playing the game.

[David McKeown]

Aggrieved is a bit strong, being put out or having to settle to watch the game on telly is the worst that's going to come out of this. No one will miss the game, compensation for those unlucky to not get is definitely needed, but the claim culture in modern society means people are aggrieved if someone gives them a compliment.

Anyone defending these muppets is as bad

I'm not sure that many are defending the "muppets". I don't know who they are or what their motivations are. I am however very interested in the outcome and I am not that annoyed that some persons are at least thinking of taking this further.

Aggrieved, seems a very appropriate word.
I'm not sure what the problem is with it?

People want to go to the game. I think we had 7k at a home match in a freezing cold Saturday night against Clare in Division 3. There is a huge appetite to attend games. Look at the crowd 2 hours before throw in for games in the Athletics ground as young and old try to get a seat before the mass crowd arrives.

Few in Armagh have ever said the game shouldn't be in Antrim and there is huge sympathy for Antrim's position. I had my worries about the game being in Corrigan Park as I couldn't see how more than a few Antrim fans could get a ticket. It looks like that injustice is being addressed by tearing up the Ts&Cs of the season ticket. And they are being torn up. The line that the capacity issue allows the Ulster Council to do what it's proposing is a fiction.

That's why I'm interested in the outcome. If we arrive at the point where the GAA can just renege on its obligations I'm not sure any of us will be celebrating that in the long run.

So regardless of all that, the game was fixed for Corrigan and due to the size and ticket allocation it's deemed that it's not enough to cover the season ticket allocation that Armagh have.

That's a Ulster council problem not an Antrim one, the games been fixed and unfortunately it's been over sold, those that lose out on coming up the Whiterock road can watch on tv, those that missed out can get their money back and a free ticket or a corneto

Everyone moves on, and toys stay in the pram, the childish behaviour is akin to a two year old throwing a tantrum in a shop!

Now we have a continuation of something that will make more headlines than the game.

I'm not sure I've seen anything from the GAA president on this or from Croke or even from the Armagh team to tell people that's it's done and move on.

Again anyone that continues to look at this with any other view, really needs to look at themselves

I do agree with you on this bit why would the Armagh team have to say anything on the matter?

The Armagh team manager have sway, a little statement saying they are happy and in agreement to play at Corrigan and while it's not perfect and people will miss out but we are looking forward to playing the game.

Pretty sure I've seen Geezer say that.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

While I find those who went the legal route on this totally pathetic (and they are), I do recall Antrim GAA tasking O'Hare Solicitors with issuing threatening letters to people who had the temerity of being members of an Antrim GAA supporters club. So, talk of proper gaels etc isn't right. The GAA can be pretty shitty themselves.

[ONeill]

I'm gonna get two tickets and not go and keep them on my mantelpiece.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

I'm amazed people think you'll need a ticket to get in but that's neither here nor there.

[Milltown Row2]

I'm amazed people think you'll need a ticket to get in but that's neither here nor there.

Yeah, head into Whiterock gardens and ask one of the locals to allow you to bounce over their back garden wall..

[ONeill]

I'm amazed people think you'll need a ticket to get in but that's neither here nor there.

Yeah, head into Whiterock gardens and ask one of the locals to allow you to bounce over their back garden wall..

Fruithill Bowling Club will be jammed with orangemen if they get her televised.

[Milltown Row2]

I'm amazed people think you'll need a ticket to get in but that's neither here nor there.

Yeah, head into Whiterock gardens and ask one of the locals to allow you to bounce over their back garden wall..

Fruithill Bowling Club will be jammed with orangemen if they get her televised.

I don't think they do the buckfast, but certainly the Whitefort next door will have

[ONeill]

Would you get much of a view from the mountain if you brought binoculars?