Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[Truthsayer]

At this stage I'm sick of listening to O'Rourke complaining about the new rules after every game.
He was on the FRC committee and had his chance to have his say.
Very few other coaches or players (bar Murphy) had the chance to influence the rules to the extent he had. He got what he voted for.

I have a concern around orourke in that he helped set up the rules and I thought his insight would benefit tyrone however this hasn't really happened. Also I assumed that
Tyrone would get a new manager bounce even if short term but again this didn't happen

New manager bounce! That's a new one on me! Like David Moyes?
I'd put very little stock in the league, some best players missing for first few games. If we avoid relegation that do rightly.

[BennyHarp]

Seems ref. was to blame? RTE reported ref. blew a free b4 the Galway mentor MENTOR pointed out the 2 up foul. Only then did ref point to a Galway free. The original free appeared to be for a foul on McKiernan.
That is twice for Tyrone remove that stupid rule of not keeping 3 up/ back after a black card. It was pivoital re. Kerry with Tyrone playing 13 v 15 and no advantage to them.

But Tyrone mentors should not have let Teague on til had 3 up. That is for O'Rourke to address with Porter whose role that was. Mind you Harte's very savable height peno shot was surpizingly bad from him. But a much improved performance from Tyrone. However Donegal up next in that pit of hell Ballybofey a hard one to need points from.

I agree with your points but the Donegal game is actually in Letterkenny I believe. I hope the different venue might be a welcome change for us. 

[Truthsayer]

Could be worse:
Hurling: Down 9-26 Tyrone 0-13
Ladies Football: Waterford 6-15 Tyrone 0-6

[tyrone08]

At this stage I'm sick of listening to O'Rourke complaining about the new rules after every game.
He was on the FRC committee and had his chance to have his say.
Very few other coaches or players (bar Murphy) had the chance to influence the rules to the extent he had. He got what he voted for.

I have a concern around orourke in that he helped set up the rules and I thought his insight would benefit tyrone however this hasn't really happened. Also I assumed that
Tyrone would get a new manager bounce even if short term but again this didn't happen

New manager bounce! That's a new one on me! Like David Moyes?
I'd put very little stock in the league, some best players missing for first few games. If we avoid relegation that do rightly.

You never seen a team performance increase for even a short while after a new manager comes in. Happens quite often.

Players wanted rid of previous management so you would expect a increase in performance even if it was just to show the new manager what they can offer. This hasn't really happened.

[Truthsayer]

At this stage I'm sick of listening to O'Rourke complaining about the new rules after every game.
He was on the FRC committee and had his chance to have his say.
Very few other coaches or players (bar Murphy) had the chance to influence the rules to the extent he had. He got what he voted for.

I have a concern around orourke in that he helped set up the rules and I thought his insight would benefit tyrone however this hasn't really happened. Also I assumed that
Tyrone would get a new manager bounce even if short term but again this didn't happen

New manager bounce! That's a new one on me! Like David Moyes?
I'd put very little stock in the league, some best players missing for first few games. If we avoid relegation that do rightly.

You never seen a team performance increase for even a short while after a new manager comes in. Happens quite often.

Players wanted rid of previous management so you would expect a increase in performance even if it was just to show the new manager what they can offer. This hasn't really happened.

If you remember the home defeat to Roscommon (not even a Div 1 team) in the championship it has improved coming from such a low base. Kerry and Galway would have annihilated them last summer. An away draw at Galway is a decent result albeit they should have won. This is going to take a bit of time...

[skeog]

Man Utd have had some bounces.

[Goals_Will_Come]

1-12 between Mark Bradley and Darragh Canavan with 1-07 of it coming from play. That's a big positive if they can maintain that form.

[samuel maguire]

Ask the simple question, are the players there. Take out the 2 Canavans, what left up front?

I struggle to think of many other counties that have a set of inside forwards like Bradley, McShane, McCurry, Canavan x2 and McElholm?

Obviously all in varying form, but they've shown it in the past or have big potential.

Clifford is arguably the only inside forward who is definitely above Darragh C.

You are so f**king deluded 

Bradley has never done anything of note in a Tyrone Jersey despite numerous chances

McShane had 1 decent season. Decent is all it was.

McCurry decent on his day

D Cav very good

R Cav has done nothing of note in a Tyrone Jersey

McElholm - all this talk and has been poor on each game to date

McShane in his "decent all it was" season was top scorer in 2019 and an all star in FF, a year after playing midfield in an all Ireland final. The same McShane who then came back from serious injury to score goals in the all Ireland semi and the final in 2021. Not bad
McCurry decent on his day 😂😂😂
Judging mcelhom on what? About 100 minutes of adult football?


Some sh1t in this forum

What have i said that is talking shite?

I think R Cav will come good like his bro, but to date he hasn't been anything special.

I am judging McElholm on what i have seen of him. The half against Roscommon, his cameo in the railway cup games and the Tyrone league games to date (only seen highlights of Galway). I think there is a lot of pressure on him at such a young age to pull the strings in this Tyrone forward line. Is he ready for it? I don't think so. How many times have we seen underage players not reach their full potential, or take some time. In saying that, he has a serious potential and this is not to say he won't be an unreal player in years to come, but at the minute he looks off it.

McShane had a year where everything seemed to go right for him. He was a free taker and scored lots in and around the D. He was very good at creating separation and popping the ball over the bar in and around the D. The goals you are alluding to in 2021 were hardly pieces of individual skill or brilliance. Yes you have to be in the right place and the right time - but f**k me they fell at his feet. Bar 2019 he has done nothing of note in a Tyrone jersey. Very unlucky with the injuries he sustained. The ankle break in Galway was atrocious and was very lucky to even lace a pair boots again, which would explain a lot.

McCurry on his day is a good corner forward. The problem the last few years has been his consistency. Especially these last 2 years, he looks a bit of his best. I don't know if he starts in any of the top 4/5 counties forward lines.

Anything else? Take the red tined glasses off ffs. 

[samuel maguire]

I agree re the s+c of some of the tyrone team. They look way off. Even the younger boys coming through, they look so far off it s+c wise.

[tiempo]

What have i said that is talking shite?

I think R Cav will come good like his bro, but to date he hasn't been anything special.

I am judging McElholm on what i have seen of him. The half against Roscommon, his cameo in the railway cup games and the Tyrone league games to date (only seen highlights of Galway). I think there is a lot of pressure on him at such a young age to pull the strings in this Tyrone forward line. Is he ready for it? I don't think so. How many times have we seen underage players not reach their full potential, or take some time. In saying that, he has a serious potential and this is not to say he won't be an unreal player in years to come, but at the minute he looks off it.

McShane had a year where everything seemed to go right for him. He was a free taker and scored lots in and around the D. He was very good at creating separation and popping the ball over the bar in and around the D. The goals you are alluding to in 2021 were hardly pieces of individual skill or brilliance. Yes you have to be in the right place and the right time - but f**k me they fell at his feet. Bar 2019 he has done nothing of note in a Tyrone jersey. Very unlucky with the injuries he sustained. The ankle break in Galway was atrocious and was very lucky to even lace a pair boots again, which would explain a lot.

McCurry on his day is a good corner forward. The problem the last few years has been his consistency. Especially these last 2 years, he looks a bit of his best. I don't know if he starts in any of the top 4/5 counties forward lines.

Anything else? Take the red tined glasses off ffs. 

McElholm is nowhere near ready to "pull the strings"

There needs to be a decision made at some point, is he going to reprise the Brian McGuigan CHF role or a Darragh style inside forward role

But that decision doesn't need to be now, he's cutting his teeth, there are other seasoned players who should be and will be leading the way

Note, Brian McGuigan played a couple of years at inside forward before he emerged as the best CHF of his generation, give the young lad time

[omagh_gael]

Let's not forgot that at Eoin's age Darragh Canavan wasn't making the starting team and had many games were things didn't happen for him. No matter how talented a young lad is it takes time to adjust to the physicality and speed of the senior game.

[samuel maguire]

What have i said that is talking shite?

I think R Cav will come good like his bro, but to date he hasn't been anything special.

I am judging McElholm on what i have seen of him. The half against Roscommon, his cameo in the railway cup games and the Tyrone league games to date (only seen highlights of Galway). I think there is a lot of pressure on him at such a young age to pull the strings in this Tyrone forward line. Is he ready for it? I don't think so. How many times have we seen underage players not reach their full potential, or take some time. In saying that, he has a serious potential and this is not to say he won't be an unreal player in years to come, but at the minute he looks off it.

McShane had a year where everything seemed to go right for him. He was a free taker and scored lots in and around the D. He was very good at creating separation and popping the ball over the bar in and around the D. The goals you are alluding to in 2021 were hardly pieces of individual skill or brilliance. Yes you have to be in the right place and the right time - but f**k me they fell at his feet. Bar 2019 he has done nothing of note in a Tyrone jersey. Very unlucky with the injuries he sustained. The ankle break in Galway was atrocious and was very lucky to even lace a pair boots again, which would explain a lot.

McCurry on his day is a good corner forward. The problem the last few years has been his consistency. Especially these last 2 years, he looks a bit of his best. I don't know if he starts in any of the top 4/5 counties forward lines.

Anything else? Take the red tined glasses off ffs. 

McElholm is nowhere near ready to "pull the strings"

There needs to be a decision made at some point, is he going to reprise the Brian McGuigan CHF role or a Darragh style inside forward role

But that decision doesn't need to be now, he's cutting his teeth, there are other seasoned players who should be and will be leading the way

Note, Brian McGuigan played a couple of years at inside forward before he emerged as the best CHF of his generation, give the young lad time

By the looks of it so far, it looks like he is going to be played as that no.11 chf role. I agreed with it will take time. My post originated as  someone claimed 'I struggle to think of many other counties that have a set of inside forwards like Bradley, McShane, McCurry, Canavan x2 and McElholm?'

I was highlighting the fact that many counties have better inside forwards than the aforementioned.
 

[ClubScene13]

I think the comparison to Darragh Canavan is the right one to make when talking about Eoin McElholm. Took Canavan a while to find his feet and get going at senior county level, it's a massive jump.

At his own age group, and anytime I've seen him play for Loughmacrory seniors, McElholm is a class act. Time required, and the terrible weather conditions league football is played in doesn't help either.

[cjx]

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I think the comparison to Darragh Canavan is the right one to make when talking about Eoin McElholm. Took Canavan a while to find his feet and get going at senior county level, it's a massive jump.

At his own age group, and anytime I've seen him play for Loughmacrory seniors, McElholm is a class act. Time required, and the terrible weather conditions league football is played in doesn't help either.

I think Tyrone forwards have all the potential required but a big centre forward is needed for now cos rest are mainly small. Joe Oguz could fill maybe that role for now as strong ball winner 3rd midfielder too. l don't rate McShane doesn't use his strength well and shooting feeble v often ( compare with Clifford re power and follow through). Tyrone problems are much greater further back especially the full back line Hampsay so badly missed and chb general required ( thought it could be Brennan but doesn't seem to conduct the orchestra and what was he at against Galway? That was thrown away) with 2 strong well conditioned cornerbacks.

[statto]

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I think the comparison to Darragh Canavan is the right one to make when talking about Eoin McElholm. Took Canavan a while to find his feet and get going at senior county level, it's a massive jump.

At his own age group, and anytime I've seen him play for Loughmacrory seniors, McElholm is a class act. Time required, and the terrible weather conditions league football is played in doesn't help either.

I think Tyrone forwards have all the potential required but a big centre forward is needed for now cos rest are mainly small. Joe Oguz could fill maybe that role for now as strong ball winner 3rd midfielder too. l don't rate McShane doesn't use his strength well and shooting feeble v often ( compare with Clifford re power and follow through). Tyrone problems are much greater further back especially the full back line Hampsay so badly missed and chb general required ( thought it could be Brennan but doesn't seem to conduct the orchestra and what was he at against Galway? That was thrown away) with 2 strong well conditioned cornerbacks.

I don't think Oguz is the answer as a full forward for Tyrone, athletic player but not sure he's a top level county player and can't recall him playing at full forward at any stage.  If Tyrone are looking something more robust in there would Matty Donnelly not be an option?  I recall him and McCurry playing inside a few years back and that seemed to have potential. Donnelly alot of miles on clock and injuries so not sure if he would be a 70 minute man round the middle 8?