Antrim Football Thread

[Would ye whist]

I think if we are honest and hold our hands up as a club a few fair us of probably believe the ball was not out and the goal probably should have stood, saying that I still would have fancied us to win the game.

I am sorry to bang on about standard of officials, however I heard it from a good source last night that the referee in charge does not have a settled set of umpires and anytime he is out he has a gather up of men (he is not the only one from what I was told.) Surely like all teams you would expect the ref to have a set of umpires he regularly works with, they know what he likes/dislikes and they all understand the brief, not just who is available on any given day or indeed looking in free to watch a match??

[Spike]

Whether the ball was out or not is up for debate.  Thats up to the ref or umpire to make their call. maybe it was in, maybe not, difficult to see from my angle or on the Stream but a close call either way.  Certainly not clear.

Whats not up for debate is that the referee clearly blew his whistle early and the players stopped. kicking a ball into an unguarded net to me is not controversial.  Wasn't even a topic of discussion at the game.

Is there a brief required to be given to umpires other than perhaps jersey pulling? Sounds like a simple enough job with a bit of focus required for giving 45s and Square Balls 

[Hectic]

Treasa's badly beat in intermediate, 17 points. surely Dunloy, Moneyglass or St Endas won't be happy to give up a place in senior to them

No vehicle for that to happen anyway.

As it stands it looks like Dunloy will be senior again next year.

Anything else is not written into the regulations so would be up for debate.

But Intermediate this year was half way to Junior so I'd be surprised if St Teresa's even wanted to go senior next year.  Ballymena will probably struggle to make much impact on senior championship next year and they were miles ahead of St Teresa's.

[Gael-in-exile]

I haven't seen the game, but there's plenty of to and fro here to make it sound more interesting that the scoreline would suggest.

Officials get a hard time, some can be bad at their job but they volunteer a lot of time and to describe it as thankless would be an understatement as sometimes it's a calling to get abused.
I always believed that you have to work around referees, some are tight on things, others not etc. As a player and manager you learn how they operate and should be able to deal with it.
Some clubs are better than others at this.

Unless they ref is downright rude/ignorant/abusive towards players and coaches or they just fail to protect players then I have never felt the need to blame them for a loss.
That's not to say I've felt some decisions could've changed a game, but so can those made by players and managers.

However unless there is a clear error, such as we thought was the case in LD v  Creggan (and will never know as the evidence produced has never be made public) I don't think they deserve the abuse. Especially some going directly to them after games.

I would assume it is the losers in this case but all clubs have some negative history with officials so if I was to be told it was the champions I wouldn't be surprised either.

[Spike]

Treasa's badly beat in intermediate, 17 points. surely Dunloy, Moneyglass or St Endas won't be happy to give up a place in senior to them

No vehicle for that to happen anyway.

As it stands it looks like Dunloy will be senior again next year.

Anything else is not written into the regulations so would be up for debate.

But Intermediate this year was half way to Junior so I'd be surprised if St Teresa's even wanted to go senior next year.  Ballymena will probably struggle to make much impact on senior championship next year and they were miles ahead of St Teresa's.

It doesnt sound right that we still don't know clearly who is playing Senior or Intermediate Championship next season.

[Hectic]

Somebody here said there was evidence that proves the ball was not out.  Does anyone have this video?

I thought it looked tight from a central position but they always do unless you are well elevated where you might get a bit of a better view.

But the only way to truly tell is if you are looking across the line and I don't know how many had that vantage point.

[imtommygunn]

I think if we are honest and hold our hands up as a club a few fair us of probably believe the ball was not out and the goal probably should have stood, saying that I still would have fancied us to win the game.

I am sorry to bang on about standard of officials, however I heard it from a good source last night that the referee in charge does not have a settled set of umpires and anytime he is out he has a gather up of men (he is not the only one from what I was told.) Surely like all teams you would expect the ref to have a set of umpires he regularly works with, they know what he likes/dislikes and they all understand the brief, not just who is available on any given day or indeed looking in free to watch a match??

The umpire signalled wide though. I think players even stopped as spike said. No real debate about it for me. You couldn't blame the ref in any way there either. It doesn't matter if the ball was out,

FWIW I thought the ref was a bit harsh on PG1 and then kept them in it at the end of normal time so almost balanced it out.

[BigGreenField]

Can say what you want about the game but the bottom line is.

Cargin know how to win, PG1 don't.

2009 apparently the last time PG1 ever beat Cargin, they will have to wait another few months to try again

That is really the crux of it for me. P.S. Both teams were at the systematic fouling. There's definite Tyrone / Derry influence in both teams 

Not sure on the jersies.

Rotational fouling is a blight on the game , don't think it gets a card for an accumulation of offences (although some ref's do)

As the game becomes even more structured could learn from the rugby lads on dealing with it.

[imtommygunn]

I think if we are honest and hold our hands up as a club a few fair us of probably believe the ball was not out and the goal probably should have stood, saying that I still would have fancied us to win the game.

I am sorry to bang on about standard of officials, however I heard it from a good source last night that the referee in charge does not have a settled set of umpires and anytime he is out he has a gather up of men (he is not the only one from what I was told.) Surely like all teams you would expect the ref to have a set of umpires he regularly works with, they know what he likes/dislikes and they all understand the brief, not just who is available on any given day or indeed looking in free to watch a match??

The umpire signalled wide though. I think players even stopped as spike said. No real debate about it for me. You couldn't blame the ref in any way there either. It doesn't matter if the ball was out or not - the umpire said it was and that's that really.

FWIW I thought the ref was a bit harsh on PG1 and then kept them in it at the end of normal time so almost balanced it out.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Whether the ball was out or not is up for debate.  Thats up to the ref or umpire to make their call. maybe it was in, maybe not, difficult to see from my angle or on the Stream but a close call either way.  Certainly not clear.

Whats not up for debate is that the referee clearly blew his whistle early and the players stopped. kicking a ball into an unguarded net to me is not controversial.  Wasn't even a topic of discussion at the game.

Is there a brief required to be given to umpires other than perhaps jersey pulling? Sounds like a simple enough job with a bit of focus required for giving 45s and Square Balls 

That's not quite true. It wasn't an unguarded net because players stopped. It just happened to fall to a player in front of an unguarded goal. The PG1 man had the ball in front of an open net by the time the umpire signalled so I don't know how players could have stopped on the ref's whistle.
There are highlights on Jerome Quinn's twitter if you need to remind yourself.

[imtommygunn]

I felt they did though. I was in the middle of PG1 crowd and it felt like they all knew too. Only one boy protested by looking at twitter and seeing the video.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

I felt they did though. I was in the middle of PG1 crowd and it felt like they all knew too. Only one boy protested by looking at twitter and seeing the video.

Go and look at it again. Some may not have been alert because they thought it was going wide but you can't say anyone stopped because the wide had been given.

https://x.com/aontroimgaa/status/1845569226523996558?s=46

[Milltown Row2]

I think if we are honest and hold our hands up as a club a few fair us of probably believe the ball was not out and the goal probably should have stood, saying that I still would have fancied us to win the game.

I am sorry to bang on about standard of officials, however I heard it from a good source last night that the referee in charge does not have a settled set of umpires and anytime he is out he has a gather up of men (he is not the only one from what I was told.) Surely like all teams you would expect the ref to have a set of umpires he regularly works with, they know what he likes/dislikes and they all understand the brief, not just who is available on any given day or indeed looking in free to watch a match??

No ref has his 'team' always available, even for finals, I've two reliable lads that help me and some that maybe do the rest but not always, who in their right mind though is willing to help a referee and take dogs abuse for the craic  though cause they'll get in free? So that bit is not correct. Those at that end would be with Kevin a lot btw

So it's very common to have Ref's without the same settled team.

Its a close call either way on that line ball for the goal.

During the game and at halftime. never mind full time or extra time the referee is being confronted by players and officials, obviously complaining, this is after the fact and has no bearing on what's went on before it so completely wasted energy. Decisions are called and move on.

we don't need what happened in Tyrone with the stabbing of a ref or what's happened previously in hear in Antrim.

There were some sideline commotions at times for sideline balls and the like, again wasted energy and lost concentration on what really matters. RD is composed from any games that I do, and as a ref that is a big bonus.

[Níl a fhios agam]

Interesting take on the game so early on regarding the disallowed goal.Do you think Casements would have still been able to hold on to that lead if that had of been given? After all, Cargin has historically came back from deficits and put the pressure on. So all what aboutery...

All i have read on this board from the final regarding the ref is absolutely disgusting! He is a gael and a volunteer and boys from both clubs using his performance as an excuse for them not being able to play to the level they wanted due to the conditions he set. No two refs are the same, and on another day, a different ref could have easily turned that game into a free kick taking match or a game full of black and yellow cards. He is a hurling referee and it took cargin 25mins to realize that was the type of game he was allowing to be played out. I thought it suited Portglenones approach, as an underdog always has to bring that aggression if they want to force the issue. But i also thought when cargin started hitting and tackling, portglenone couldnt handle the pressure.

As a hurling man, it was one of the few games of football i actually enjoyed watching. alot of hard hitting, turnovers and putting their bodies on the line. I think a good template of how the game should be allowed to be played. I would rather watch that than some of the games iv watched in derry and down. Park didnt buy Lynns dive nor did he buy John Carrons attempt to go down easily inside The D.

So the fact both clubs have complaints about him, neither can accuse him of being bias.

[imtommygunn]

I felt they did though. I was in the middle of PG1 crowd and it felt like they all knew too. Only one boy protested by looking at twitter and seeing the video.

Go and look at it again. Some may not have been alert because they thought it was going wide but you can't say anyone stopped because the wide had been given.

https://x.com/aontroimgaa/status/1845569226523996558?s=46

Ok maybe I am wrong on the stopping of play but ultimately the umpire signalled wide. Honestly think much ado about nothing with this goal.

Yeah I would also say generally people harsh on the ref. The game isn't easy to ref these days and there was a fair bit going on in that game. Also, and it's a blight on the game, there's an awful lot of defender has hand near attacker and attacker pulls his hand in and goes down. A lot of that went on and would be hard to ref.